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Title: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 05, 2021, 03:01:03 PM
Trying to kill your step daughter would appear to be fine.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/disneyland-snow-white-rape-culture-b1841466.html
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Steve H on May 05, 2021, 11:18:19 PM
Fairy stories are problematic in all sorts of ways, and always have been. I think it's because they are an expression of people's gut feelings, which aren't always nice. Stepmothers, for example, are always wicked - an expression of a child's resentment towards someone they see as a usurper. Also, the good characters are always beautiful or handsome, while the wicked ones are usually ugly, and often deformed: not exactly a positive image of disability. I don't think they should be Bowdlerised, but some exposition would be appropriate when reading them to a child.
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on May 06, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
Surely The Disney version of the Hunchback of Notre Dame conveys an equality message about disability in it's main character. I can't remember his name but his face rings a bell.
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Steve H on May 06, 2021, 09:36:55 AM
Very droll. The Hunchback of Notre Dame isn't a fairy story.
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: SusanDoris on May 06, 2021, 12:25:58 PM
Seems to me that if I as a child understood clearly that these stories had nothing to do with reality and dated from the previous century, today's children should be just as able, or more so,  to do so too. To try and make them entirely non-judgemental,  and politicallycorrect or whatever phrase is current    is to deprive children -and it seems adults too - of a part of history and a rich world of make-believe. . 
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 06, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
Seems to me that if I as a child understood clearly that these stories had nothing to do with reality and dated from the previous century, today's children should be just as able, or more so,  to do so too. To try and make them entirely non-judgemental,  and politicallycorrect or whatever phrase is current    is to deprive children -and it seems adults too - of a part of history and a rich world of make-believe. .
And of course the Disney versions were already watered down in comparison to the darker originals.
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Steve H on May 06, 2021, 01:43:13 PM
Seems to me that if I as a child understood clearly that these stories had nothing to do with reality and dated from the previous century, today's children should be just as able, or more so,  to do so too. To try and make them entirely non-judgemental,  and politicallycorrect or whatever phrase is current    is to deprive children -and it seems adults too - of a part of history and a rich world of make-believe. .
Indeed.
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And of course the Disney versions were already watered down in comparison to the darker originals.
Quite - the Disney versions were saccharine.
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Steve H on May 08, 2021, 05:34:26 PM
https://flic.kr/p/2kXmt7h
Title: Re: Snow White and the non-consensual kiss
Post by: Outrider on May 13, 2021, 08:35:18 AM
Trying to kill your step daughter would appear to be fine.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/disneyland-snow-white-rape-culture-b1841466.html

The stepmother is the villain, the villain is supposed to (try to) do bad things. The Prince is not the bad-guy, in theory...

O.