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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on March 17, 2022, 06:03:31 PM

Title: P and O sackings
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on March 17, 2022, 06:03:31 PM

Company sacked 800 P and O with immediate effect. Reports they were escorted from vessels by men in balaclavas with handcuffs and Tasers.

Source BBC

Title: Re: P and O sackings
Post by: Aruntraveller on March 17, 2022, 07:14:08 PM

This is the report:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60779001

You know you have got it badly wrong when the government is saying it is "wholly unacceptable".

I wouldn't be that polite. It's fucking disgraceful.

Title: Re: P and O sackings
Post by: Anchorman on March 17, 2022, 08:38:06 PM

Shocking way to treat a workforce.
And curtailing travel to Ireland on St Patrick's day wasn't designed to court approval either.

Title: Re: P and O sackings
Post by: splashscuba on March 17, 2022, 09:01:25 PM

So its job roles that are made redundant not people. You can't then take people on in exactly the same roles, that's not legal.

Title: Re: P and O sackings
Post by: Outrider on March 17, 2022, 11:41:13 PM

Quote from: splashscuba on March 17, 2022, 09:01:25 PM

So its job roles that are made redundant not people. You can't then take people on in exactly the same roles, that's not legal.

Unfortunately there are any number of potential loopholes to take advantage of here, though. From what I gather P&O are not replacing with like for like roles, they are outsourcing to agency-based employment for 'flexibility' (i.e. not having to have contracts which offer holidays, sick pay etc.) which means the 'employee' roles are legally, technically redundant. It's a glaring hole and should have been closed years ago.

There's also a possibility that those employment laws don't apply anyway as it's a ship - I don't know that for sure, I just know that there are any number of regulations and acts which don't apply to ships and shipping (I work in Health and Safety, and certainly huge swathes of that explicitly exclude ships).

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Title: Re: P and O sackings
Post by: ProfessorDavey on March 18, 2022, 08:45:15 AM

Quote from: Outrider on March 17, 2022, 11:41:13 PM

Unfortunately there are any number of potential loopholes to take advantage of here, though. From what I gather P&O are not replacing with like for like roles, they are outsourcing to agency-based employment for 'flexibility' (i.e. not having to have contracts which offer holidays, sick pay etc.) which means the 'employee' roles are legally, technically redundant. It's a glaring hole and should have been closed years ago.

I suspect employment lawyers will see it otherwise.