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Title: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 09, 2022, 04:54:48 PM
Interesting gamble from Starmer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61383091
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Aruntraveller on May 09, 2022, 05:17:47 PM
A bit high risk.

Didn't take him for a gambler.

It's not in my mind the smartest move. Could be seen as trying to pressurise Durham constabulary, and if he's hoping to shame Johnson hasn't he figured out by now that Johnson is shameless.
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Aruntraveller on May 09, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
This is amusing. Just have to wait for the Mail's headline tomorrow to see how they manage it:

Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Nearly Sane on May 10, 2022, 08:30:00 AM
This is amusing. Just have to wait for the Mail's headline tomorrow to see how they manage it:
  Here it is
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Aruntraveller on May 10, 2022, 10:14:46 AM
  Here it is

Nothing if not predictable.
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: jeremyp on May 10, 2022, 11:14:59 AM
It is a gamble but it's one he has to make, or he can't credibly attack Boris on the same subject. If he wins, great. If he loses, at least his successor has got some good ammunition.
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Aruntraveller on May 10, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
It is a gamble but it's one he has to make, or he can't credibly attack Boris on the same subject. If he wins, great. If he loses, at least his successor has got some good ammunition.

Yes, I'd agree with that. I'm just surprised he's done it.
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Steve H on May 10, 2022, 01:55:19 PM
  Here it is
"Starmer accused.." means "we are accusing Starmer...". Similarly, "...his opponents said....." means "we are saying". This is an old trick of the right-wing gutter-press. Why it puts the fuzz in a difficult position is anyone's guess. Why should the police care if the leader of the opposition resigns?
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: ProfessorDavey on May 10, 2022, 02:26:09 PM
It is a gamble but it's one he has to make, or he can't credibly attack Boris on the same subject. If he wins, great. If he loses, at least his successor has got some good ammunition.
I agree - and I suspect as a very experienced lawyer he will be pretty confident in his case. I gather the whole 'but they didn't do any work afterwards' argument has been potentially closed down as they have documentary evidence of people who were present, including Starmer, continuing to work on drafting, editing, sharing media content until nearly 1am.
Title: Re: Keir Starmer: I'll quit if given Covid fine by police
Post by: Udayana on May 12, 2022, 05:35:31 PM
Apparently this is a devious way of Starmer getting away with NOT breaking any law.

Which reminds me ... the Tories could have put all the various restrictions necessary to manage Covid  in place under Public Health legislation existing pre-2020, and did not have to put through the Coronavirus Act that criminalised their leaders subsequent behaviours.