Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Walt Zingmatilder on July 16, 2022, 09:58:31 AM
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Joe Biden does not let his catholic religion govern his attitude to Roe v. Wade, in fact he seems to be a doughty champion of it.
If Rishi Sunak becomes Prime minister, how far will he let his religion dictate policy particularly in the areas of Karma. Will he see the unfortunate as hostages to their own Karma, likewise the Rich (or should that be the rish?).
Similarly, his final attitude to death which has occurred on an industrial scale under the Tories...Will this matter since in hindu philosophy we are all supposed to be recycled?
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Joe Biden does not let his catholic religion govern his attitude to Roe v. Wade, in fact he seems to be a doughty champion of it.
If Rishi Sunak becomes Prime minister, how far will he let his religion dictate policy particularly in the areas of Karma. Will he see the unfortunate as hostages to their own Karma, likewise the Rich (or should that be the rish?).
Similarly, his final attitude to death which has occurred on an industrial scale under the Tories...Will this matter since in hindu philosophy we are all supposed to be recycled?
Why the focus only on Sunak's religion. Mourdant and Tugenhadt are both Catholics, Badenoch is agnostic and no-one seems to have a clue about Truss ;)
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mmm .. but you have no knowledge or understanding of how Biden or Sunak, or anyone else, interpret the ideas and ethical reasoning of their religions except by the actions they take and the justifications provided.
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If that Keni is an atheist, then I incline towards her much more. It indicates that she has thought through the beliefs relying totally on faith since there is not one single scrap of evidence to show the existence of any spirit/dentity/whatever.
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Why the focus only on Sunak's religion. Mourdant and Tugenhadt are both Catholics, Badenoch is agnostic and no-one seems to have a clue about Truss ;)
Because he is as they say, the man most likely to.
If you feel like questioning Mordaunt and Tugendaht on where there catholicism leads them please do so.
I doubt their christianity contradicts with the cultural christianity for what it is in our society. What effect though would the philosophies of Karma and Reincarnation have on a devoutly hindu prime minister?
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mmm .. but you have no knowledge or understanding of how Biden or Sunak, or anyone else, interpret the ideas and ethical reasoning of their religions except by the actions they take and the justifications provided.
But there are established philosophical principles behind Catholicism and hinduism and one can notionally spot possible conflicts between those and the general public philosophy of ''live and let live''.
I don't think your point is therefore valid.
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If that Keni is an atheist, then I incline towards her much more. It indicates that she has thought through the beliefs relying totally on faith since there is not one single scrap of evidence to show the existence of any spirit/dentity/whatever.
But Doris, she has a political philosophy which sounds as though it is thatcherite. As a philosophy this has as little to suggest it is good or sound in all circumstances and has plenty of evidence that it isn't in many circumstances.
As a typical tory attention seeker she has been praised by many for her right wing beliefs and her articulation of them.
Thatcherism for me just confirms my belief in human sin particularly greed.
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If that Keni is an atheist, then I incline towards her much more. It indicates that she has thought through the beliefs relying totally on faith since there is not one single scrap of evidence to show the existence of any spirit/dentity/whatever.
Babenoch describes herself as agnostic, but also culturally christian (I think her grandfather was a methodist minister). She also describes herself as "an honorary or associate member of the Catholic Church' - whatever that means, perhaps because her husband is catholic.
But she is no fan of evidence, given that she'd stated that we should scrap our net zero targets.
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Because he is as they say, the man most likely to.
If you feel like questioning Mordaunt and Tugendaht on where there catholicism leads them please do so.
I doubt their christianity contradicts with the cultural christianity for what it is in our society. What effect though would the philosophies of Karma and Reincarnation have on a devoutly hindu prime minister?
He might be the man most likely to, but he's not the current favourite to become PM - that is Mourdant.
And there is a lot of official catholic teaching that clearly contradicts our cultural norms - e.g. on abortion, contracpetion, equality for women, equality for gay people etc. You've already alluded to this with your comments on Biden and his support for Roe v Wade, even though the RCC position is opposition to abortion in all circumstances. Now I suspect that neither Mourdant nor Tugenhadt accept catholic teaching on these matters (as indeed most catholics in the UK don't), but then Sunak may also not accept certain aspects of Hindu teaching in a similar manner. But I'm also unclear what aspects of Hinduism would cut across our current cultural norms in the manner that RCC teaching on a whole range of key cultural issues does.
Again it seems rather odd to only focus on the religion of one of the candidates.
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If that Keni is an atheist, then I incline towards her much more. It indicates that she has thought through the beliefs relying totally on faith since there is not one single scrap of evidence to show the existence of any spirit/dentity/whatever.
That's just rubbish.
That someone is an atheist or religious is no indicator of how they would perform. Unless of course, you are disowning Mrs Thatcher:
Thatcher has been described as Britain's most religious prime minister since William Ewart Gladstone. She was raised as a Methodist and had preached as such in her Oxford years, but later she became a member of the Church of England. She understood her political convictions in terms of her faith.
I judge politicians by their actions, the policies they support and their voting record. Their religion seldom figures in my thoughts unless they are so batshit crazy that they threaten civil liberties (that is a problem in the US, as yet not so much here).
Anyway, Kemi Badenoch describes herself as a cultural Christian. I have a feeling in my water that she is quite religious and for that reason, I feel slightly uneasy. Still, it is her lack of experience that worries me and her seriously bad analogy of the fact that because she's an engineer she understands how things work.
That's obviously bollocks because it means we'd have car mechanics running the country. Mind you, given the pitiful selection your party has thrown up that might not be such a bad thing.
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Anyway, Kemi Badenoch describes herself as a cultural Christian. I have a feeling in my water that she is quite religious and for that reason, I feel slightly uneasy.
I doubt that - remember this is the Tory party, stuffed full of practicing christians (way more than broader society). So candidates are much more likely to exaggerate their religiosity rather than underplay it. So if Kemi is actually an active, practicing christian she would say so, it would endear her to the constituencies (MPs and party members) who will decide the election.
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He might be the man most likely to, but he's not the current favourite to become PM - that is Mourdant.
And there is a lot of official catholic teaching that clearly contradicts our cultural norms - e.g. on abortion, contracpetion, equality for women, equality for gay people etc. You've already alluded to this with your comments on Biden and his support for Roe v Wade, even though the RCC position is opposition to abortion in all circumstances. Now I suspect that neither Mourdant nor Tugenhadt accept catholic teaching on these matters (as indeed most catholics in the UK don't), but then Sunak may also not accept certain aspects of Hindu teaching in a similar manner. But I'm also unclear what aspects of Hinduism would cut across our current cultural norms in the manner that RCC teaching on a whole range of key cultural issues does.
Again it seems rather odd to only focus on the religion of one of the candidates.
I think we ought to know whether and what elements of Sunak's he adheres to and what elements he doesn't adhere to and what elements he is prepared to put aside as a public servant. After all it was deemed important for others aspiring to leadership from Biden right back to Tim Farron.
Are you arguing that these previous should not have had focus put on their religion?
Do you not think it was important for people to question whether Farron really wasn't antigay on account of his evangelicalism or Biden really anti abortion on account of his catholicism?
A true belief in the unimportance of death or the law of Karma and the filtering of those philosophies into policy is I think something we should be discussing.
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I doubt that - remember this is the Tory party, stuffed full of practicing christians (way more than broader society). So candidates are much more likely to exaggerate their religiosity rather than underplay it. So if Kemi is actually an active, practicing christian she would say so, it would endear her to the constituencies (MPs and party members) who will decide the election.
Not convinced of that. Depending on which website you go to she is described variously as a "Cultural Christian", an "honourary Catholic" or a "devout Catholic". So sounds a bit as if she is indeed exaggerating it albeit that she may be targeting different sections of the electorate with varying claims.
This is a tweet of hers:
It was the honour of my life to meet His Holiness Pope Francis last week as I promoted the UK’s conference on freedom of religion and belief. #FoRB.
Doesn't sound to me as if she's not religious.
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I doubt that - remember this is the Tory party, stuffed full of practicing christians (way more than broader society). So candidates are much more likely to exaggerate their religiosity rather than underplay it. So if Kemi is actually an active, practicing christian she would say so, it would endear her to the constituencies (MPs and party members) who will decide the election.
Why are you focussing on Kemi Badenough's religion particularly as you had the temerity to question why I was focussing on Ritchie Sunak's a few posts ago?
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Why are you focussing on Kemi Badenough's religion particularly as you had the temerity to question why I was focussing on Ritchie Sunak's a few posts ago?
Only in response to other posters points.
My starting post on this thread gave equal billing to all five candidates.
You on the other hand are clearly obsessing about a single candidate, mentioning just one of five in your OP and seeming only to think that Sunak's religion is important, while Tugenhadt's (unlikely to make it even to the final two) and Mourdant's (the front runner) isn't worthy of comment. Why is that Vlad?
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I think we ought to know whether and what elements of Sunak's he adheres to and what elements he doesn't adhere to and what elements he is prepared to put aside as a public servant. After all it was deemed important for others aspiring to leadership from Biden right back to Tim Farron.
Are you arguing that these previous should not have had focus put on their religion?
Do you not think it was important for people to question whether Farron really wasn't antigay on account of his evangelicalism or Biden really anti abortion on account of his catholicism?
A true belief in the unimportance of death or the law of Karma and the filtering of those philosophies into policy is I think something we should be discussing.
Sure I think the motivations of all candidates is important - but again why mention only Sunak (from the candidates), why aren't you similarly interested in the others - and particularly Mourdant and Tugenhadt who are adherents of a religion whose teaching is opposed to aspects of our culture and rights that most people think important - namely the choice over abortion and contraception and equal rights for women and gay people.
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Sure I think the motivations of all candidates is important - but again why mention only Sunak (from the candidates)
Previously answered. Anything construed by you further to that given is, I would suggest, merely wankfantasy on your part.
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Previously answered.
Except you haven't, have you Vlad.
Your answers appear to be that it is important to know about Sunak because he's the front runner - except he isn't, Mourdant is and actually in some betting Sunak is third behind Mourdant and Truss.
You other argument is that somehow Sunak's religion is somehow opposed to societal and cultural norms of the UK, while Mourdant and Tugenhadt's isn't. But this is non-sense. I have no idea how a belief in reincarnation might inform a view on abortion, however if your religion teaches that abortion for any reason and at any stage is wrong I can clearly see how that might inform your political views.
It is either relevant to question all candidates on how their religious beliefs may impact their political views and policies or it is off limits for all candidates. My view is the former, but you seem only to see religion as an issue when the person is Hindu but not if they are Catholic - why is that Vlad?
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I think we ought to know whether and what elements of Sunak's he adheres to and what elements he doesn't adhere to and what elements he is prepared to put aside as a public servant. After all it was deemed important for others aspiring to leadership from Biden right back to Tim Farron.
Are you arguing that these previous should not have had focus put on their religion?
Do you not think it was important for people to question whether Farron really wasn't antigay on account of his evangelicalism or Biden really anti abortion on account of his catholicism?
A true belief in the unimportance of death or the law of Karma and the filtering of those philosophies into policy is I think something we should be discussing.
I don't know from where you got the impression that belief in reincarnation and karma makes people indifferent to other peoples suffering!
Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and many other Indian leaders (Hindus) are known for their strength, compassion and democratic values.
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But there are established philosophical principles behind Catholicism and hinduism and one can notionally spot possible conflicts between those and the general public philosophy of ''live and let live''.
I don't think your point is therefore valid.
Which "philosophical principles behind hinduism" could possibly conflict with "live and let live"?
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I don't know from where you got the impression that belief in reincarnation and karma makes people indifferent to other peoples suffering!
Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru and many other Indian leaders (Hindus) are known for their strength, compassion and democratic values.
As in Britain and the west there is and has been a tolerance mainly by conservative parties of a dramatic contrast between rich and poor and this has been the case in the east. This is because of different reasons I would move.
Sunak is no Gandhi. He is not a progressive. Gandhi was prepared to lay a lot of tradition aside it seems to me and is not your typical holy man either of the east and west, I would move.
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Which "philosophical principles behind hinduism" could possibly conflict with "live and let live"?
Live and let's have a caste system perhaps?
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Except you haven't, have you Vlad.
Your answers appear to be that it is important to know about Sunak because he's the front runner - except he isn't, Mourdant is and actually in some betting Sunak is third behind Mourdant and Truss.
You other argument is that somehow Sunak's religion is somehow opposed to societal and cultural norms of the UK, while Mourdant and Tugenhadt's isn't. But this is non-sense. I have no idea how a belief in reincarnation might inform a view on abortion, however if your religion teaches that abortion for any reason and at any stage is wrong I can clearly see how that might inform your political views.
It is either relevant to question all candidates on how their religious beliefs may impact their political views and policies or it is off limits for all candidates. My view is the former, but you seem only to see religion as an issue when the person is Hindu but not if they are Catholic - why is that Vlad?
Of course he's the front runner. He's been out in front in two rounds of polling.
Actually, I'm not sure if thinking that your situation in life is down to Karma is that different in outcome from the anglicanism of CF Alexander ''The Rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate, he made them high and lowly and ordered their estate'' or social darwinianism, or ''you just make your own luck in this world''.
But we need to know where those with a sniff of the top job stand on these issues certainly.
Me, only seeing religion if the person is a hindu is as I say just one of the many wankfantasies you've had.
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Sunak is an intelligent, modern sophisticate. I doubt that he believes much of traditional Hinduism. Anyway, as far as abelief in reincarnation making you care less about life is concerned, one could say the same about Christianity's belief in heaven.
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Live and let's have a caste system perhaps?
The caste system continues to exist to the shame of most hindus. It's not a religious or philosophical principle, but a form of political control that is now discredited and, at least on paper, discrimination on the basis of caste is illegal in India. In fact there are many affirmative action schemes in place to correct or compensate for inequalities resulting from past injustices - a form of "levelling up".
Still not seeing how this relates to Hindu politicians in the UK unless you know how they interpret their religious inheritance and apply it to political issues here.
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Sunak is an intelligent, modern sophisticate. I doubt that he believes much of traditional Hinduism. Anyway, as far as abelief in reincarnation making you care less about life is concerned, one could say the same about Christianity's belief in heaven.
Christianity though has a belief in hell with no second or third or fourth chances.
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The caste system continues to exist to the shame of most hindus. It's not a religious or philosophical principle, but a form of political control that is now discredited and, at least on paper, discrimination on the basis of caste is illegal in India. In fact there are many affirmative action schemes in place to correct or compensate for inequalities resulting from past injustices - a form of "levelling up".
Still not seeing how this relates to Hindu politicians in the UK unless you know how they interpret their religious inheritance and apply it to political issues here.
As maybe as all this is we're unlikely to know until discussions on the subject are had.
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As maybe as all this is we're unlikely to know until discussions on the subject are had.
hmm .. you can speculate and discuss as much as you like but you won't know unless you ask the man in question.
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hmm .. you can speculate and discuss as much as you like but you won't know unless you ask the man in question.
And now the man in question is in power and he seems to be a committed member of the Hindu faith.
The last time the religious commitment of a party leader became known and controversial leading to downfall whose evangelical Christian faith cost him the leadership was Tim Farron
Will Sunak's belief in Karma cost him as christianity cost Blair and May to a lesser extent and Tim Farron who paid with his job?
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Some points have been raised here regarding Chairlie Windsor's fait.
When he stays at Dumfries House, he usually attends local churches in the Cumnock area; mainly, but not exclusively, CofS (He has attended a Congregational Church once, where Kieir Hardie was a seacon). These visits are informal and unannounced.
One Sunday, the worship team in my local Kirk was conducting, and I was in the pulpit.
What I will say is that the man had great knowledge of the Scriptures, and we talked for ten minutes after the service. I made no bones about my lposition on monarchy; he respected that, and that did not affect our discussion.
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And now the man in question is in power and he seems to be a committed member of the Hindu faith.
The last time the religious commitment of a party leader became known and controversial leading to downfall whose evangelical Christian faith cost him the leadership was Tim Farron
Will Sunak's belief in Karma cost him as christianity cost Blair and May to a lesser extent and Tim Farron who paid with his job?
How did Christianity cost Blair?
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How did Christianity cost Blair?
It didn't, but that is because Blair (quite rightly) recognised that it would be an error to bring his faith overtly into the job of being PM. While his faith, I'm sure, was a major motivational factor he never appeared to be making decisions overtly based on some aspect of christian doctrine.
I don't think May's religion cost her either. I doubt many people knew, nor cared, about her religion. And interesting that Vlad fails to mention Brown who is arguably more religious than either Blair or May - but again I don't think his religion was an issue.
Farron is different - because unlike the others, he overtly brought his religious beliefs into conflict with his job as a politician. That's what cost him, the conflict, not the belief of and in itself.
From what I've seen of Sunak, he seems much more like Blair, May, Brown etc - seems to be a practicing member of a religion but does not bring that overtly into his public role as PM. I think he will take a view on the PR value of his Hindu belief - on the one hand valuable in garnering support from a specific group in society balanced again the potential downside amongst certain racist elements for which this will cement a view of 'otherness'.
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On the contrary, it's not having faith that costs you as a politician. Even people who have no faith themselves want their representatives to have it.
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On the contrary, it's not having faith that costs you as a politician. Even people who have no faith themselves want their representatives to have it.
I think that's right, or rather that's what politicians seem to think. As far as I can recall the only leader of a major party who has clearly indicated that he wasn't religious was Nick Clegg. Other seem genuinely to be religious (Blair, Brown, May) or feel the need to pretend to be (Cameron, Johnson).
However, realistically I don't think the electorate really give a damn whether someone is religious or not - what I think does grate is when an individual's ability to do their job as a politician is being directly affected by their religious belief (or I guess their lack of religious belief, although I suspect that is far less likely). I also think that the electorate can sniff out falseness - someone pretending to be religious when they aren't.
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On the contrary, it's not having faith that costs you as a politician. Even people who have no faith themselves want their representatives to have it.
Does it cost politicians in the UK? What;is your reasoning for that claim?
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Does it cost politicians in the UK? What;is your reasoning for that claim?
As I indicated in my last post, I don't really see evidence for Steve's claim that people, even if they aren't religious, want to be led by someone that is.
Frankly I don't see it and it is really difficult to 'do the experiment' as there are always lots of reasons why people may, or may not, vote for a particular politician.
And just because politicians may feel the need to be seen to be religious doesn't mean it actually makes any difference to the electorate at all.
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And now the man in question is in power and he seems to be a committed member of the Hindu faith.
The last time the religious commitment of a party leader became known and controversial leading to downfall whose evangelical Christian faith cost him the leadership was Tim Farron
Will Sunak's belief in Karma cost him as christianity cost Blair and May to a lesser extent and Tim Farron who paid with his job?
He follows Hindu customs and rituals, part of his cultural background and identity, but it is wrong to class "hinduism" as faith and to think that Hindus believe (or not) in "karma" as if it sets out a rule book to be followed.
As a Hindu Sunak should consider the ethics and effects of his actions carefully and aim for the best outcomes. But it is possible that he just follows the customs without religious ideas affecting his personal and political objectives or decisions.
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On the contrary, it's not having faith that costs you as a politician. Even people who have no faith themselves want their representatives to have it.
I don't want that!
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I don't want that!
Me neither, but nor do I particularly crave an atheist PM.
I just want a PM who makes decisions I approve of and their religion or otherwise tends to be pretty irrelevant in that regard.
My most preferred PM from the point where I noticed these things was, by a considerable margin, Blair. He was a committed christian, I'm not - but most of the decisions he made I approved of. I have no idea whether his faith led him to bring in minimum wage, invest heavily in schools/hospitals, supported devolution, allowed gay people to have civil partnerships etc etc, but frankly I don't really care. These were things I supported too even if we might have come to these points of view from different starting points. In reality I suspect we didn't as I image the key drivers were political beliefs, not religious beliefs.
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Joe Biden does not let his catholic religion govern his attitude to Roe v. Wade, in fact he seems to be a doughty champion of it.
If Rishi Sunak becomes Prime minister, how far will he let his religion dictate policy particularly in the areas of Karma. Will he see the unfortunate as hostages to their own Karma, likewise the Rich (or should that be the rish?).
Similarly, his final attitude to death which has occurred on an industrial scale under the Tories...Will this matter since in hindu philosophy we are all supposed to be recycled?
I'm hoping Rishi will preach a good sermon - he looks like Steve Chalke!
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he looks like Steve Chalke!
Who?
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If you want to understand Rishi Sunak better you can try this video. It is a short (4 minutes) version of 'Why I am a Hindu' by Shashi Tharoor who is currently a MP in India. He was formerly the Under Secretary General of the United Nations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=330hPz8iLi4
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Does it cost politicians in the UK? What is your reasoning for that claim?
The fact that nearly all senior politicians feel the need to pretend to be religious if they aren't really, with the honourable exception of Clegg. Even he had to pretend to be a regretful atheist, who'd like to believe but couldn't.
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And now the man in question is in power and he seems to be a committed member of the Hindu faith.
The last time the religious commitment of a party leader became known and controversial leading to downfall whose evangelical Christian faith cost him the leadership was Tim Farron
Will Sunak's belief in Karma cost him as Christianity cost Blair and May to a lesser extent and Tim Farron who paid with his job?
I doubt that Sunak believes much, if anything, of Hinduism, at least not as traditionally presented. He's probably a cultural Hindu, who follows the practices for reasons of solidarity with his community, like secular Jews who follow a kosher diet, or non-believing Christians who go to church at Christmas and Easter and for hatching, matching and despatching purposes.
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I doubt that Sunak believes much, if anything, of Hinduism, at least not as traditionally presented. He's probably a cultural Hindu, who follows the practices for reasons of solidarity with his community, like secular Jews who follow a kosher diet, or non-believing Christians who go to church at Christmas and Easter and for hatching, matching and despatching purposes.
Yes....I doubt he knows much about Hindu literature or philosophy. Just the basics perhaps....like most Hindus.
Actually, you can believe anything you want and you could find some Hindu text somewhere that advocates it.....
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If you want to understand Rishi Sunak better you can try this video. It is a short (4 minutes) version of 'Why I am a Hindu' by Shashi Tharoor who is currently a MP in India. He was formerly the Under Secretary General of the United Nations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=330hPz8iLi4
Good clip, but not sure it tells us anything about Sunak, who is nothing like the kind of man Tharoor is.
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Good clip, but not sure it tells us anything about Sunak, who is nothing like the kind of man Tharoor is.
I agree, it is an interesting clip, but also agree that we cannot conclude that it tells us much about Sunak. Not least because Tharoor and Sunak's cultural upbringing will have been so radically different. Presumably Tharoor brought up within a culture and community where hinduism was mainstream. Sunak, by contrast was brought up in 1980s and 1990s Britain where hinduism would have been a highly minority faith and also within specific cultures - e.g. attending an elite boarding school where I would imagine he would have been one of precious few students with his belief and background.
Back to the video - interesting as it is on his beliefs, his description of other beliefs is simplistic and caricatured. So there are plenty of jewish people who see it as ethnic not religious - hence to bring this back to UK politics I think Ed Miliband describes himself as an atheist jew and sees not contradiction. Also for many religions there is a disconnect between the taught dogma and actual belief amongst people who claim adherence to that religion. The example I see most commonly is catholicism (due to this being my in laws religion) - I doubt any of those that are practicing catholics of my age believe in immaculate conception, nor virgin birth nor the importance of celibate priests. Yet they defined themselves as catholic (not always catholic, never christian). It is a cultural and upbringing thing first and foremost, a belief thing secondarily.
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Actually, you can believe anything you want and you could find some Hindu text somewhere that advocates it.....
Indeed - I remember reading someone's description of Hinduism as "a shoreless sea". Not sure whether that's a strength or a weakness - maybe both.
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Back to the video - interesting as it is on his beliefs, his description of other beliefs is simplistic and caricatured. So there are plenty of jewish people who see it as ethnic not religious - hence to bring this back to UK politics I think Ed Miliband describes himself as an atheist jew and sees not contradiction. Also for many religions there is a disconnect between the taught dogma and actual belief amongst people who claim adherence to that religion. The example I see most commonly is catholicism (due to this being my in laws religion) - I doubt any of those that are practicing catholics of my age believe in immaculate conception, nor virgin birth nor the importance of celibate priests. Yet they defined themselves as catholic (not always catholic, never christian). It is a cultural and upbringing thing first and foremost, a belief thing secondarily.
In general I agree ... but in both Christianity and Islam you are "saved" only through your belief - either faith in Jesus or through the Shahadah; belief is required by the religion.
In most systems adopted by humans, it doesn't matter what you believe - it is how you act that counts for anything.
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Indeed - I remember reading someone's description of Hinduism as "a shoreless sea". Not sure whether that's a strength or a weakness - maybe both.
Actually, it is a collection of different religions, philosophies and practices. We have to thank the British for assigning it a label called 'Hinduism'.
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What's a Hindu?
Lay eggs.
I'll get my coat...