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Religion and Ethics Discussion => Philosophy, in all its guises. => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on January 21, 2023, 10:27:01 AM

Title: "Have We Finally Become Ghosts in the Machine?"
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 21, 2023, 10:27:01 AM: There's a relatively simple and interesting idea being covered in this essay in whether metaphorically our interaction with technology means we are like the ghost in the machine as talked about in criticisms of dualism. The article though feels almost parody. It would be very funny if chunks of it are AI generated

https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/have-we-finally-become-ghosts-in-the-machine
Title: Re: "Have We Finally Become Ghosts in the Machine?"
Post by: Sriram on January 21, 2023, 01:42:42 PM: We ARE ghosts in a machine. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Science has only reinforced this view, as I have explained in the 'Science and Spirituality' thread.

PS: I tried reading the link but it was very difficult reading. Not sure what he was trying to say.
Title: Re: "Have We Finally Become Ghosts in the Machine?"
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 21, 2023, 01:44:45 PM: Quote from: Sriram on January 21, 2023, 01:42:42 PM

We ARE ghosts in a machine. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Science has only reinforced this view, as I have explained in the 'Science and Spirituality' thread.

PS: I tried reading the link but it was very difficult reading. Not sure what he was trying to say.
That's why I tried to summarise it. And all you've done in the other thread is make assertions - but that discussion is for that thread.
Title: Re: "Have We Finally Become Ghosts in the Machine?"
Post by: Walt Zingmatilder on January 21, 2023, 01:58:07 PM: I think it was John Gribbin who said he didn't believe in the ghost in the machine. Not because there is no ghost but because there is no machine.

If we have become the ghost in the machine of technology isn't it a bit like junkie being the ghost in the addiction?
Title: Re: "Have We Finally Become Ghosts in the Machine?"
Post by: Nearly Sane on January 21, 2023, 02:31:44 PM: Quote from: Walt Zingmatilder on January 21, 2023, 01:58:07 PM
I think it was John Gribbin who said he didn't believe in the ghost in the machine. Not because there is no ghost but because there is no machine.

If we have become the ghost in the machine of technology isn't it a bit like junkie being the ghost in the addiction?
Not sure that adding another level of metaphor to an already strained one is useful but surely all ghosts in machines are essentially metaphorically 'addicted'?