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Title: Adaptability
Post by: Sriram on March 29, 2023, 05:37:59 AM
Hi everyone,

Video on why we are likely to remain smarter than robots....

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p0fc9tlx/chatgpt-why-we-re-still-smarter-than-machines

Maybe so....

Cheers.

Sriram
Title: Re: Adaptability
Post by: BeRational on March 29, 2023, 11:10:35 AM
Remain for now.

The long term, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Adaptability
Post by: Sriram on March 30, 2023, 10:42:58 AM


In my opinion it is not about being smart or being able to crunch numbers or write elaborate essays.....that will differentiate us from robots. It is about feeling, emotion and idealism. The inner need to be better than we are. The ability to love and sacrifice for another.  I am not sure if that can be programmed.

At any rate....even limiting ourselves to language, words and numbers, the question arises as to how and why we got programmed to do such things in the first place.   
Title: Re: Adaptability
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on March 30, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Sriram,

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In my opinion it is not about being smart or being able to crunch numbers or write elaborate essays.....that will differentiate us from robots. It is about feeling, emotion and idealism. The inner need to be better than we are. The ability to love and sacrifice for another.  I am not sure if that can be programmed.

No-one is sure about that, but there's no good reason to assume it to be impossible.

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At any rate....even limiting ourselves to language, words and numbers, the question arises as to how and why we got programmed to do such things in the first place.

No it doesn't. That question would only arise if you were able to demonstrate first that top down "programming" was necessary, rather than that bottom up evolution did the job.     
Title: Re: Adaptability
Post by: Sriram on March 31, 2023, 05:09:55 AM
Quote from: bluehillside Retd. on March 30, 2023, 02:27:04 PM
Sriram,



No it doesn't. That question would only arise if you were able to demonstrate first that top down "programming" was necessary, rather than that bottom up evolution did the job.   

Not sure what exactly you mean by that but we can see that evolution of most products such as computers and cars etc., happens both through top down programming and also through bottom up evolution. One follows and also supports the other.  There is an interdependence.
Title: Re: Adaptability
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on March 31, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
Sriram,

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Not sure what exactly you mean by that but we can see that evolution of most products such as computers and cars etc., happens both through top down programming and also through bottom up evolution.

Oh dear. Computers and cars don’t evolve, and assuming that a complex thing must have been designed is basic Paley’s watch wrongheadedness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy

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One follows and also supports the other.  There is an interdependence.

Not in the ToE there isn’t.