Religion and Ethics Forum
General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Steve H on June 09, 2023, 08:15:53 PM
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Good (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863267)
riddance! (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-quits-as-mp/#:~:text=Boris%20Johnson%20quits%20as%20an%20MP%20after%20receiving,after%20receiving%20the%20findings%20of%20the%20privileges%20committee.)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863267
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-quits-as-mp/#:~:text=Boris%20Johnson%20quits%20as%20an%20MP%20after%20receiving,after%20receiving%20the%20findings%20of%20the%20privileges%20committee.
What a farce!
Though I suspect Sunak will be pleased.
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I see he is professing his innocence - he's a liar of course, always has been, but no doubt the sycophantic Tory morons to whom he can do no wrong will now be crying foul.
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Running away together
Running away forever
Nad and Bo
Running away from danger
Hiding from every stranger
Nad and Bo
They knew it was so wrong
They found a love so strong
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Rumours swirling around that he plans to stand in the safer Mid Beds seat just vacated by Dorries. Thereby avoiding sanction from parliament (as he is no longer an MP) and a recall petition.
Can't see it myself - firstly because I cannot see Sunak allowing him to be selected for Mid Beds. Secondly if he were to stand surely we'd see a Martin Bell take 2 situation where all other parties stand aside for a single anti-corruption candidate who'd sure wipe the floor with Boris.
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Sunak can't afford to let him do that - no result would be good for him.
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Must pick up some extra popcorn tomorrow.
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Johnson and Dorries seen outside Parkhead....
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Johnson and Dorries seen outside Parkhead....
In that case they'll be rubbing their hands in glee down Govan way!
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Perhaps if Prof D's rumour about him standing in Mid Beds is right, we should start thinking of a Martin Bell type candidate. Sturgeon's looking for a new challenge and would surely be untainted with scandal and an easy sell to the other parties.
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Nothing would surprise me now - hopefully the Priveleges Committee will still be free to publish their report, else the 'stitch up' bleating will persist (though it probably will anyway).
The Tory party are drifting towards Twilight Zone politics - hopefully they'll implode.
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Good (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863267)
riddance! (https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-quits-as-mp/#:~:text=Boris%20Johnson%20quits%20as%20an%20MP%20after%20receiving,after%20receiving%20the%20findings%20of%20the%20privileges%20committee.)
Hopefully he'll be kicked up the arse as he leaves No10.
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Nothing would surprise me now - hopefully the Priveleges Committee will still be free to publish their report, else the 'stitch up' bleating will persist (though it probably will anyway).
The Tory party are drifting towards Twilight Zone politics - hopefully they'll implode.
Chris Bryant has tweeted (and he should know) that the privileges committee's sanction would still stand regardless of Johnson's resignation. So were he to be re-elected somewhere the common's suspension would be applied at that point and would therefore trigger a recall petition in his new constituency.
If that is the case and he wants a come back he'd have been better taking the suspension and getting licked out after a recall petition - that way he'd have a clean slate for an alternative constituency in the future.
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Chris Bryant has tweeted (and he should know) that the privileges committee's sanction would still stand regardless of Johnson's resignation. So were he to be re-elected somewhere the common's suspension would be applied at that point and would therefore trigger a recall petition in his new constituency.
If that is the case and he wants a come back he'd have been better taking the suspension and getting licked out after a recall petition - that way he'd have a clean slate for an alternative constituency in the future.
Interesting, though the possibility of Johnson being 'licked out' is somewhat off putting.
I am guessing that given the timing, they will wait to see of the recall petition for Ferrier is successful, and hold the three by elections at once. Though I think the SNP would be quite pleased if that happens.
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Interesting, though the possibility of Johnson being 'licked out' is somewhat off putting.
I am guessing that given the timing, they will wait to see of the recall petition for Ferrier is successful, and hold the three by elections at once. Though I think the SNP would be quite pleased if that happens.
Sorry, 4 by elections
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-61051163
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Lots of bizarre affirmations on social media about how Johnson was removed by a kangaroo court, and how the 'counter coup' starts here. Some by current Tory MPs.
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Politics is now just the unspeakable talking about the unspeakable
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Next the battle for the integrity of Donald Trump
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Grant Shapps did quite well on Laura Kuenssberg this morning, though not sure what happens next.
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Alex Massie on Johnson
https://alexmassie.substack.com/p/farewell-and-good-riddance
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Politics is now just the unspeakable talking about the unspeakable
Alastair Campbell says BJ is a turd that should be flushed down the toilet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULPRxIUEdUo
(sorry couldn't find the original interview on line, so you'll have to make do with this commentary).
This is my favourite: an interview with Dominic Grieve (ex Tory MP).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ7yOq_rFbg
It's quite subtle but I get the feeling he's not a fan of BJ
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Grant Shapps did quite well on Laura Kuenssberg this morning, though not sure what happens next.
Part of him doing well is that lies are fine if not corrected
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/bbc-forced-to-issue-correction-grant-shapps-lie-over-gordon-brown-honours-list_uk_6485959de4b025003ede0c59
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Max Hastings on Johnson
https://archive.vn/dtRgZ
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Max Hastings on Johnson
https://archive.vn/dtRgZ
Every word highlighting the fact that the British political system is based on tribalism and tribal values not any political philosophy.
This can only be changed by changing our voting system. First past the postencourages tribal loyalty.
My abiding memory of the character of Alexander "Boris" Johnson was of an impromptu interview by a tv journalist which concerned people rough sleeoing in shop doorways. The journalist asked Johnson what he was going to do about this problem - showing him an appropriate photo on his mobile phone. Johnson snatched the phone out of the journalist's hand, put it in his own pocket and sharply told him to go away.
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Every word highlighting the fact that the British political system is based on tribalism and tribal values not any political philosophy.
This can only be changed by changing our voting system. First past the postencourages tribal loyalty.
My abiding memory of the character of Alexander "Boris" Johnson was of an impromptu interview by a tv journalist which concerned people rough sleeoing in shop doorways. The journalist asked Johnson what he was going to do about this problem - showing him an appropriate photo on his mobile phone. Johnson snatched the phone out of the journalist's hand, put it in his own pocket and sharply told him to go away.
Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system. The US, in particular, seems riven by such tribalism. It may be that they were always like this, and certainly, I think the past had a lot of elements of it. That said, the existence of social media seems to have exacerbated it. The reactions I saw on social media to the arrest of Nicola Sturgeon yesterday seemed affected by it, for example.
I think though that Johnson more so than any other leader that I can think of in the UK is merely there out of ambition.
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Every word highlighting the fact that the British political system is based on tribalism and tribal values not any political philosophy.
This can only be changed by changing our voting system. First past the post encourages tribal loyalty.
Change it to what, though? Everyone answers "proportional representation", as though there is only one pr system, but there are many, and some of them would be even worse than simple majority/first past the post. I favour single transferable vote, with alternative vote as second-best. AV is in fact a special case od STV, applied to single-member constituencies.
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Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system.
My suspicion is that tribalism is a consequence of FPTP and will be apparent wherever this simplistic voting system exists.
Change it to what, though?
Yes - single transferable vote.
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Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system. The US, in particular, seems riven by such tribalism. It may be that they were always like this, and certainly, I think the past had a lot of elements of it. That said, the existence of social media seems to have exacerbated it. The reactions I saw on social media to the arrest of Nicola Sturgeon yesterday seemed affected by it, for example.
I think though that Johnson more so than any other leader that I can think of in the UK is merely there out of ambition.
In the past, the US system was not tribal. You frequently got bipartisan cooperation. However, that has changed and it’s given them a lot of trouble. Their political system cannot cope with tribalism. The people who wrote their constitution assumed, wrongly, that the politicians would act reasonably and in the best interests of the USA.
Our political system has always been tribal and it has evolved to deal with that. We have safeguards in important places such as an independent electoral commission and a neutral Supreme Court. However, much of our system is based on conventions rather than explicit laws and so it can only deal with tribal politics as long as all the tribes’ members agree to play by the rules.
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Sorry, 4 by elections
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-61051163
So it's looking like Adams and Johnson's by elections will either be the 13th or 20th of July which means they will done before the recall petition on Ferrier's deadline.
Dorries hasn't sent in letter of resignation yet.
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Johnson to return to Henley?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1780409/boris-johnson-henely-rivall-tory-candidates
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Eating their own
https://order-order.com/2023/06/14/new-boris-calls-on-bernard-jenkin-to-resign-over-his-own-drinks-party/
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The Just Stop Oil group were going to change their name to the Just Stop Johnson campaign.
Then they realised that even if they used superglue it wouldn't stick to him.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/16/boris-johnson-fresh-questions-as-daily-mail-signs-ex-pm-as-columnist (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/16/boris-johnson-fresh-questions-as-daily-mail-signs-ex-pm-as-columnist)
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The failure of Douglas Ross
https://archive.vn/TgNuL
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And the oddity of Charlotte Owen
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/06/14/charlotte-owen/
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And the oddity of Charlotte Owen
https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/06/14/charlotte-owen/
I'm sure I read rumours somewhere about her being related in some way :o
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I'm sure I read rumours somewhere about her being related in some way :o
She’s not. It’s all based on the coincidence that her second name is the same as the second name of one of BJ’s former sexual partners.
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Brave Sir Rishi ran away
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/rishi-sunak-boris-johnson-partygate-skip-debate/
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Abstain, vote for or vote against the parliamentary report. Party or parliament. Bravery or cowardice. Moral dilemma on a mass scale.
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354 - 7 in favour of report.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-partygate-vote-mps-commons-covid-b1088913.html
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15 Tory Ministers voted for report
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15 Tory Ministers voted for report
It was more than this.
118 according to The Torygraph. I only took an interest becaue I know my MP Peter Bottomley voted for it and he wasn't on the list.
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It was more than this.
118 according to The Torygraph. I only took an interest becaue I know my MP Peter Bottomley voted for it and he wasn't on the list.
Ministers not just MPs