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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Steve H on August 05, 2023, 10:29:06 AM

Title: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 05, 2023, 10:29:06 AM: Click here. (https://www.change.org/p/save-the-crooked-house?source_location=update_footer&algorithm=promoted&original_footer_petition_id=1811960&grid_position=4&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uABVjNAIAAAAAZMzEx%2BeyJYxlNmZiOTEwMQ%3D%3D)
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Aruntraveller on August 05, 2023, 10:34:08 AM: Typical of this country. We know the price of everything and the value of nothing. (Dear Oscar, Slightly misquoted)
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 06, 2023, 06:54:20 PM: And there's been a fire...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66421163
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 06, 2023, 07:57:19 PM: Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 06, 2023, 06:54:20 PM
And there's been a fire...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66421163
Indeed. Suspicious.
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 07, 2023, 04:28:01 PM: On 'Nationwide' in 1974, when it was called 'The Glynne Arms'.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av-embeds/66426703/vpid/p0g589d6
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 08, 2023, 06:39:03 AM: And it's gone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66434719
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: jeremyp on August 08, 2023, 03:10:12 PM: Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 08, 2023, 06:39:03 AM
And it's gone

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66434719

I hope the fire investigators had enough time to determine the cause. My money is on the current owner being responsible.
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 08, 2023, 04:15:59 PM: Quote from: jeremyp on August 08, 2023, 03:10:12 PM
I hope the fire investigators had enough time to determine the cause. My money is on the current owner being responsible.
indeed

https://youtu.be/Oz8RjPAD2Jk
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 08, 2023, 09:21:33 PM: Council not happy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66442399
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 09, 2023, 08:28:17 PM: Police treating it as arson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-65141057
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 10, 2023, 06:17:23 PM: From that there Facebook:
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 11, 2023, 07:11:50 PM: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/why-this-lament-for-a-burnt-out-pub-is-it-because-britain-seems-a-bit-of-a-crooked-house-these-days/ar-AA1f9iXh?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=4a57abecdb134bb2d8b3aaf668a7ce44&ei=41
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 11, 2023, 07:43:08 PM: It is interesting the impact the story is having.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66472000
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 12, 2023, 06:58:32 PM: Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 11, 2023, 07:43:08 PM
It is interesting the impact the story is having.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66472000
Indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/12/people-are-sick-of-having-our-heritage-knocked-down-how-the-crooked-house-saga-became-a-state-of-the-nation-story
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 14, 2023, 06:53:52 AM: This is tangentially relevant, planning-permission-wise: fortunately, this one was a lot easier to reverse. Seems to me that retrospective planning permission should be abolished, and developers etc. obliged to do things in the correct order - permission first - or face the consequences, including reversing the illegal work where possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/14/roads-agency-starts-to-undo-its-vandalism-of-victorian-bridge
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: jeremyp on August 14, 2023, 12:29:23 PM: Quote from: SteveH on August 14, 2023, 06:53:52 AM
This is tangentially relevant, planning-permission-wise: fortunately, this one was a lot easier to reverse. Seems to me that retrospective planning permission should be abolished, and developers etc. obliged to do things in the correct order - permission first - or face the consequences, including reversing the illegal work where possible.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/14/roads-agency-starts-to-undo-its-vandalism-of-victorian-bridge

I don't agree. In circumstances where planning permission would have been granted, it's stupid to make people reverse the changes, reapply, get the permission and then redo the changes.
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2023, 12:39:52 PM: Quote from: jeremyp on August 14, 2023, 12:29:23 PM
I don't agree. In circumstances where planning permission would have been granted, it's stupid to make people reverse the changes, reapply, get the permission and then redo the changes.
Agree - the worry in this case and similar is that it does appear that NH is out of control, and has been for some time.
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Steve H on August 14, 2023, 12:46:38 PM: Quote from: jeremyp on August 14, 2023, 12:29:23 PM
I don't agree. In circumstances where planning permission would have been granted, it's stupid to make people reverse the changes, reapply, get the permission and then redo the changes.
Why can't they apply for permission in the first place?
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: jeremyp on August 14, 2023, 12:52:43 PM: Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 14, 2023, 12:39:52 PM
Agree - the worry in this case and similar is that it does appear that NH is out of control, and has been for some time.

It's not obvious to me what National Highways sought to achieve with the bridge infill nonsense. Did they think it was going to fall down?
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 24, 2023, 05:37:34 PM: 2 men arrested on charge of arson

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-66608279
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: jeremyp on September 28, 2023, 02:44:42 PM: Two more people arrested

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-66951166

It doesn't say who they were but Carly Taylor - one of the owners - is the same age as the arrested woman.
Title: Re: The leaning pub of Dudley
Post by: Nearly Sane on October 01, 2023, 03:18:32 PM: And another wonky pub, another fire

https://www.scotsman.com/read-this/historic-wonky-pub-arson-bilton-greyhound-and-punchbowl-crooked-house-4355233