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General Category => Sports, Hobbies & Interests => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on December 01, 2023, 01:53:33 PM
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A piece on who Scotland might hope for in tomorrow's draw.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67589424
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Scotland v Germany in the tournament opening match. Fair enough group. Good one for England. Tough one for Wales if they get through the play offs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67602917
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It would appear Scotland are in the group of little death
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67606049
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Good win for Wales in the play offs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68561544
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And I'll bet there will be a few sighs of relief at UEFA that Israel have been knocked out.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68561551
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Tough one on Wales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68603221
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Irn Bru's advert about Scotland's participation.
https://youtu.be/HomrY1I0NDo?si=cyuzGdSnlLPbOEh9
I have to say it is not a condition I am suffering from.
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England's provisional squad
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c3gglr8mpzdo
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Scotland's provisional squad.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cyxxlrrlz3vo
Perhaps explanation for why I'm not suffering from the optimism in the Irn Bru advert.
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Not as if Scotland had a huge spread of striking talent
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqvv496vnpdo
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BBC pundits on who they think will win the tournament.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp660d6rn1ko
Consensus seems to be mainly France once you discount the arguments from wishful thinking. Rachel Corsie should probably be sacked.
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BBC pundits on who they think will win the tournament.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cp660d6rn1ko
Consensus seems to be mainly France once you discount the arguments from wishful thinking. Rachel Corsie should probably be sacked.
I take it you are joking about Corsie?
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I take it you are joking about Corsie?
No.
"anyone but England" - about as professional as Elon Musk.
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No.
"anyone but England" - about as professional as Elon Musk.
It's obviously a joke.
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It's obviously a joke.
It's a really tired trope and she's paid (I assume) to give considered opinions on footballing matters.
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It's a really tired trope and she's paid (I assume) to give considered opinions on footballing matters.
And it's still a joke.
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And it's still a joke.
Then she should grow up and do her job.
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Then she should grow up and do her job.
Part of her job in this is surely making light hearted football remarks. It's probably a contractual requirement for a Scottish pundit to say something like this.
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Sanguine review of Englan's defence
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/11/england-defensive-worries-euro-2024-unbalanced-undercooked
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Hmm.....
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Hmm.....
Ahh well...
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Ahh well...
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Humped aff the park!
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Part of her job in this is surely making light hearted football remarks.
Not at the expense of giving her proper thoughts.
It's probably a contractual requirement for a Scottish pundit to say something like this.
She could have said "anybody but England. But seriously, I think it will be <whoever - not Scotland>."
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As far as I can see, they've only qualified for one tournament in the last 25 years. In fact, you can definitely go back to the 1992 European Championships without any Scotland player scoring more than one goal. The Wikipedia page for the World Cup 1990 says they scored two goals, but I can't find out if the same player scored them both.
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As far as I can see, they've only qualified for one tournament in the last 25 years. In fact, you can definitely go back to the 1992 European Championships without any Scotland player scoring more than one goal. The Wikipedia page for the World Cup 1990 says they scored two goals, but I can't find out if the same player scored them both.
I think the meme would include goals by players at more than one tournament but even so I make Rudiger the joint top scorer in tournament football for Scotland in 41 years.
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Will the man in the plastic mask still become the king for France?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckdd00r8vv9o
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Happy to take the draw and the better performance. Have to live with the hope for a few days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3ggylw5exlt
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Happy to take the draw and the better performance. Have to live with the hope for a few days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3ggylw5exlt
At least by the end of it they decided to credit the goal to a Scotsman, that seemed up in the air at one point. A better performance, it might even be enough to get a result against Hungary if they play like that again (given how Hungary performed against Switzerland), but I can't see them doing enough to overturn the goal difference and get in to second. Reasonable chance of progressing from third if they can get two or three over Hungary, but that red card for Porteous in the first game might have even more of an impact than it seemed at the time if the decision comes down to the disciplinary points.
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At least by the end of it they decided to credit the goal to a Scotsman, that seemed up in the air at one point. A better performance, it might even be enough to get a result against Hungary if they play like that again (given how Hungary performed against Switzerland), but I can't see them doing enough to overturn the goal difference and get in to second. Reasonable chance of progressing from third if they can get two or three over Hungary, but that red card for Porteous in the first game might have even more of an impact than it seemed at the time if the decision comes down to the disciplinary points.
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Sad to see what looks like another bad injury to Tierney.
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Dispiriting performance from England
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But Spain impressing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4nnlj8v6jdo
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I've often found the criticism of Southgate in the past to be based on a completely unrealistic set of expectations and given his record frankly odd but the recent play seems at odds with the talent in the team, and feels as if there is some sort of mental malaise that is related to Southgate.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/20/england-look-terrified-and-they-have-no-functioning-midfield
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Harry Kane 'I think we're struggling both with and without the ball' - ooft.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/20/harry-kane-makes-two-excuses-englands-woeful-performance-denmark-21076241/
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Tierney out of the Championships. Not reached his potential because he's made of glass
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cyxxzeye404o
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Tierney out of the Championships. Not reached his potential because he's made of glass
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cyxxzeye404o
The good news, for him, is that it seems it's a muscle/tendon issue rather than the knee ligament that looked likely when he went down. It does seem to be becoming his party-trick, though.
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Been here too often for it to have been anything other than expected. Disappointing comments from Clarke about the ref.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4nnn4752elo
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Been here too often for it to have been anything other than expected. Disappointing comments from Clarke about the ref.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4nnn4752elo
I thought, under the circumstances, that his comments were quite restrained - perhaps the bit about how a South American shouldn't be refereeing a Euros game was unnecessary, but it still doesn't explain how pretty much every ex-professional who's commented has agreed entirely that it's a clear-cut penalty.
It was always going to be tough for them to get through the group stage, and it's not like they deserved to win last night, but I'm not sure they deserved to lose, either.
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I thought, under the circumstances, that his comments were quite restrained - perhaps the bit about how a South American shouldn't be refereeing a Euros game was unnecessary, but it still doesn't explain how pretty much every ex-professional who's commented has agreed entirely that it's a clear-cut penalty.
It was always going to be tough for them to get through the group stage, and it's not like they deserved to win last night, but I'm not sure they deserved to lose, either.
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The bit about him South American is what I find disappointing.
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Harry Kane 'I think we're struggling both with and without the ball' - ooft.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/06/20/harry-kane-makes-two-excuses-englands-woeful-performance-denmark-21076241/
There's only two things wrong with my singing: pitch and rhythm.
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I thought, under the circumstances, that his comments were quite restrained - perhaps the bit about how a South American shouldn't be refereeing a Euros game was unnecessary, but it still doesn't explain how pretty much every ex-professional who's commented has agreed entirely that it's a clear-cut penalty.
It was always going to be tough for them to get through the group stage, and it's not like they deserved to win last night, but I'm not sure they deserved to lose, either.
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I expect the fact that Armstrong appeared to be trying to steal Orban's shirt might have swayed the officials.
The penalty is just an excuse. The fact is that Scotland didn't have a shot on target until well after 90 minutes in a game they needed to win. They just have not been good enough over all three games.
Don't worry though. When England get knocked out, the media will completely forget about Scotland's dire performance.
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TBH, I was almost pleased when Hungary scored as it removed the straggle of hope that would have been left with a draw.
As jeremyp says, we weren't nearly good enough. I think we need to go and check the secret of the Swiss.
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I think we need to go and check the secret of the Swiss.
There is no secret. You just have to get a good group of players together with a good manager. It will happen completely by chance most of the time, but having a large player base and being rich certainly helps.
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I expect the fact that Armstrong appeared to be trying to steal Orban's shirt might have swayed the officials.
Looks to me like that doesn't start until he's already on the way down.
The penalty is just an excuse.
It's not, it's a key factor in the outcome of the game. Not only did it mean Scotland weren't ahead, but it would have put pressure on Hungary to start attacking rather than relying on Scotland coming on and then hitting them on the counter, which had been their game plan all night.
The fact is that Scotland didn't have a shot on target until well after 90 minutes in a game they needed to win. They just have not been good enough over all three games.
That's true - although Hungary's willingness to sit deep and counter contributed to that in this game. Scotland haven't been good enough, or one penalty shout wouldn't have been as important as it was - but the fact is that, in part because of their ability, those decisions count for even more.
Don't worry though. When England get knocked out, the media will completely forget about Scotland's dire performance.
It's not entirely clear that they weren't forgetting about it while it was happening, some of the time! ;D Maybe England have had their dodgy game of the tournament and they'll start to grow into it? Maybe?
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Looks to me like that doesn't start until he's already on the way down.
Nope. The attached screenshot is taken from the moment that Armstrong's hand is first on Orban's chest. This is the first contact between the two players.
It's not, it's a key factor in the outcome of the game. Not only did it mean Scotland weren't ahead, but it would have put pressure on Hungary to start attacking rather than relying on Scotland coming on and then hitting them on the counter, which had been their game plan all night.
No, the key factor is that Scotland played very poorly. Hungary weren't't great either but they were better than Scotland.
If they had won the penalty, maybe Hungary don't score and Scotland end up third in group and just maybe they scrape into the knockout stage. But you have to admit that to be dependent on such a tiny margin means you haven't really played well enough
It's not entirely clear that they weren't forgetting about it while it was happening, some of the time! ;D Maybe England have had their dodgy game of the tournament and they'll start to grow into it? Maybe?
Let's hope so.
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Nope. The attached screenshot is taken from the moment that Armstrong's hand is first on Orban's chest. This is the first contact between the two players.
Yes, on his chest, shielding the ball, but not grappling him or pulling him to the floor. That's not foul play, but the knee in the back of the leg is.
No, the key factor is that Scotland played very poorly. Hungary weren't great either but they were better than Scotland.
I didn't see much between them, if I'm honest in terms of absolute quality - perhaps Hungary played to their strengths a little better, Scotland seemed to play in the same way as they did when they had some of their better players fit.
If they had won the penalty, maybe Hungary don't score and Scotland end up third in group and just maybe they scrape into the knockout stage. But you have to admit that to be dependent on such a tiny margin means you haven't really played well enough
They're never going to get much further, with the way they play, and I'm not suggesting that they somehow deserved the next round based on the way they played - that teams of Hungary's and Scotland's performance and quality have a chance of getting through is more about the way the tournament has expanded beyond the necessary. However, given that it is the tournament they have, for it to be (potentially) decided on such a poor decision is hard to take.
Let's hope so.
England's my first team (Scotland my second), but I gave up hoping for either of them long ago. Even last time out with Italy, 1-0 up and I still couldn't really believe that it was going to happen...
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Yes, on his chest, shielding the ball, but not grappling him or pulling him to the floor. That's not foul play, but the knee in the back of the leg is.
The ball was on the ground. He wasn't shielding it with his hand on the man's chest. A split second after that frame, he was grabbing the shirt. That's also a foul. I don't know what the VAR people were thinking, but if they were thinking that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, I wouldn't object.
I didn't see much between them, if I'm honest in terms of absolute quality - perhaps Hungary played to their strengths a little better, Scotland seemed to play in the same way as they did when they had some of their better players fit.
The thing between them was a goal.
They're never going to get much further, with the way they play, and I'm not suggesting that they somehow deserved the next round based on the way they played - that teams of Hungary's and Scotland's performance and quality have a chance of getting through is more about the way the tournament has expanded beyond the necessary. However, given that it is the tournament they have, for it to be (potentially) decided on such a poor decision is hard to take.
It wasn't decided on that decision. It was decided by them getting slaughtered by Germany, failing to win their second game and failing to even have a shot on target in the first 95 minutes of their last game.
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Modric has had an incredible career. I don't think he's quite the player he was but I can see him doing a job at the World Cup for Croatia in 2 years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ceqqq7wz4x7o
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There is no secret. You just have to get a good group of players together with a good manager. It will happen completely by chance most of the time, but having a large player base and being rich certainly helps.
So all of it applies to Scotland at various times but we've still never made out group stage.
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So all of it applies to Scotland at various times but we've still never made out group stage.
Scotland is a country of about five million people and a fairly dysfunctional football league without loads of money. Frankly, I'm pleasantly surprised when Scotland qualifies for a major tournament.
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Two points to note.
In group C, seven goals scored in total.
In group D, seven goals scored last night.
Second place in group C was determined by disciplinary record.
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England's route in the knockout matches.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0jjv93e8d3o
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England's route rout in the knockout matches.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0jjv93e8d3o
FTFY
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FTFY
You could take that 2 ways. I suspect you are looking at the downbeat one. I think that overall the favourites haven't performed consistently. The Spanish in being the only team to win 3 matches stand put but we'll see if that continues. Austria and Georgia stand out for playing above expectations.
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You could take that 2 ways. I suspect you are looking at the downbeat one. I think that overall the favourites haven't performed consistently. The Spanish in being the only team to win 3 matches stand put but we'll see if that continues. Austria and Georgia stand out for playing above expectations.
Yes, I was looking at the downbeat one (or upbeat, if you are Rachel Corsie). England have played pretty poorly so far and will need to up their game to have a good chance of progressing further.
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Yes, I was looking at the downbeat one (or upbeat, if you are Rachel Corsie). England have played pretty poorly so far and will need to up their game to have a good chance of progressing further.
As covered, this seems more widespread than England . You look at teams like France, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands all played quite poorly.
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As covered, this seems more widespread than England . You look at teams like France, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands all played quite poorly.
I don't support any of those other teams. In fact, I am usually quite pleased when they play badly. I do want to see England do well though.
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I don't support any of those other teams. In fact, I am usually quite pleased when they play badly. I do want to see England do well though.
Given the number of international tournaments Scotland haven't qualified for, I think I find it easier to be looking at other teams. I'm quite torn here because I like good teams, and recently England have been a good team, and I like Southgate and the team generally, and you look at the players and they should be great but....
If they continue to play as they have it won't bother me if they go out but I'd like to see them change it up.
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Some of the takes on England.
https://www.thepoke.com/2024/06/26/england-match-funniest-reactions/
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Ah well, Philip Lahm on the Euros and why he loves the Scots fans.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/28/scotland-fans-euro-2024-philipp-lahm
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England through, hmm....
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/live/c4ng971vdx0t
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They were lucky their tranquilizers wore off in time.
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I look forward to the list of banned goal celebrations. I suspect it will be shorter than Roses might want
;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz47qd9qe2go
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The top half of draw has with Spain, Germany, France, and Portugal - 7 World Cups, and 9 Euros. The bottom half with England, Netherlands, Switzerland, and Turkey, 1 World Cup, and 1 Euro.
Not bothering to work out World Wars.
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I look forward to the list of banned goal celebrations. I suspect it will be shorter than Roses might want
;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cz47qd9qe2go
Demiral banned for 2 games, Bellingham a slap on the wrist with 1 match ban suspended.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c903l3zn8gko
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c6p2q2j87g9o
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Great set of penalties from England to beat Switzerland
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I’m looking forward to the England France final. It’s gonna be a classic.
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Spain into final and a star is born.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd1derpyngmt
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Spain into final and a star is born.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd1derpyngmt
And while the new star scored to help his team into the final of the Euros, across the world the old star scored to help his side into the final of the Copa America, and the photos of them when the old was the young star, and the new a baby in swaddling clothes appeared
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7206gj5w28o
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Why the fuck have we gone all passive again in this second half?
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Why the fuck have we gone all passive again in this second half?
Doesn't matter now.
Well done, England
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Doesn't matter now.
Well done, England
Yeah. Brilliant by Watkins.
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Yeah. Brilliant by Watkins.
Very clever from The Killers. I do wonder what they would have done had England lost but I suspect they would have played Mr Brightside as an attempt at consolation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cerv02pdj2no
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Very clever from The Killers. I do wonder what they would have done had England lost but I suspect they would have played Mr Brightside as an attempt at consolation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cerv02pdj2no
Nice.👍
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Paddy Power advert for Euros
https://youtu.be/IH1o0c8z5l8?si=0Djon_OeJVefqHYt
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Rodri not appearing 2nd half...
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Spain deserved winners.
7 wins, beating Italy, Germany, France and England on that run.
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Best team won
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Weren't good enough, but I put this down more to Southgate's negative tactics than the players. We pushed our luck the whole tournament. With this group of players we've got about four years left, but we need a new manager.
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Btw, that ref was crap and in added time he was well out of order. 4 minutes added time. Spain waste 1 and a half of that on one freekick and the ref blows his whistle bang on four minutes.
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Southgate has resigned!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd163154zw1t
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They didn't bottle it. They lost by one goal in the final to a better team.
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They didn't bottle it. They lost by one goal in the final to a better team.
Did the nasty Spanish team steal your sense of humour?
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Southgate has resigned!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cd163154zw1t
Fair enough. 4 major tournaments is a substantial stint, and some England fans seem to have forgotten 2014 and 2016.
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Did the nasty Spanish team steal your sense of humour?
No - the constant narrative of England bottling it and calling relative success a failure. There will be many people who are saying "about time" with respect to Southgate's resignation but his time in charge has been a period of success compared with the rest of the 21st century.
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No - the constant narrative of England bottling it and calling relative success a failure. There will be many people who are saying "about time" with respect to Southgate's resignation but his time in charge has been a period of success compared with the rest of the 21st century.
And yet here you are shouting at lager.
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And yet here you are shouting at lager.
That doesn't make any sense. I didn't shout. I didn't even try to talk to "lager". I made a general point about an advertiser belittling England's performance at the Euros.
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That doesn't make any sense. I didn't shout. I didn't even try to talk to "lager". I made a general point about an advertiser belittling England's performance at the Euros.
Tennant's lager as a company made the joke. You're arguing with a joke. And I was using the shouting at tea meme.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sue-you-are-shouting-at-tea
Have a cup of tea and a biscuit.
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No - the constant narrative of England bottling it and calling relative success a failure. There will be many people who are saying "about time" with respect to Southgate's resignation but his time in charge has been a period of success compared with the rest of the 21st century.
True, but I still think this comes at the right time. Had some great memories but time to move on.
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Welcome
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/24486356.german-couple-create-cologne-tartan-army-faction-euros/