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General Category => Politics & Current Affairs => Topic started by: Nearly Sane on September 04, 2024, 11:19:25 AM

Title: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 04, 2024, 11:19:25 AM
 in damning final report.


Listening to this now. It is brutal. The question will be what impact it will have. Will anyone actually be held to account.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c623vrw92rrt
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 04, 2024, 11:52:33 AM
The entire news conference was deeply moving.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: jeremyp on September 04, 2024, 12:32:33 PM
in damning final report.


Listening to this now. It is brutal. The question will be what impact it will have. Will anyone actually be held to account.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c623vrw92rrt
I think a number of people will be going to prison.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Roses on September 04, 2024, 02:03:33 PM
It is so very sickening! >:(
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 04, 2024, 02:36:44 PM
I think a number of people will be going to prison.
I hope so but given what happened with Hillsborough which in many ways was simpler not confident.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Dicky Underpants on September 04, 2024, 03:57:36 PM
I think a number of people will be going to prison.

But we might have to wait another two years before anyone is charged and sentenced.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 05, 2024, 07:33:37 PM

Meanwhile the egregious prick Blair wants it treated as just a mistake that happens.  Fuck off, you oleaginous spectre

https://news.sky.com/story/tragedies-like-grenfell-cannot-be-completely-avoided-says-sir-tony-blair-13210164
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 05, 2024, 08:08:21 PM
Remarkably tone deaf.

As someone else put it on radio 4.

It was not a fault in the system. It was the way the system was designed to operate.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 05, 2024, 08:17:40 PM
Remarkably tone deaf.

As someone else put it on radio 4.

It was not a fault in the system. It was the way the system was designed to operate.
And obviously no matter the system people will make mistakes, so the prick's prick was creating a false dichotomy that only seeks to disguise accountability and responsibility. Self interested dildo.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: jeremyp on September 06, 2024, 05:35:28 PM
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even when systems work well and are "well-intentioned", people are "going to make mistakes

Never mind the "well intentioned" part, a system that works well is one that doesn't kill dozens of people in spite of people making mistakes. No system designed by humans works well all the time, but it's pretty obvious that this one was utterly dysfunctional.
Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Aruntraveller on September 08, 2024, 09:23:07 AM
And a former PM demonstrating his willingness to exonerate himself over the deaths of others by lying:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/08/grenfell-survivors-david-cameron-claim-inquiry-red-tape-ex-pm

Title: Re: Grenfell inquiry blames governments, 'dishonest' firms and fire service ...
Post by: Nearly Sane on September 08, 2024, 09:40:38 AM
And a former PM demonstrating his willingness to exonerate himself over the deaths of others by lying:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/sep/08/grenfell-survivors-david-cameron-claim-inquiry-red-tape-ex-pm
Undoubtedly a big boy did it and ran away leaving us only these squealing toddlers that we are left with.