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Title: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 03, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
 The latest stuff coming from Egypt, and probably the fifth or sixth major find this year, is just breaking - the remains of a third dynasty pyramid (dating to about thirty years before the 'great pyramid' of Khufu at Giza - have been found. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/egyptian-team-discover-remains-of-5000.html?m=1#!/2017/04/egyptian-team-discover-remains-of-5000.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 03, 2017, 12:04:49 PM
The latest stuff coming from Egypt, and probably the fifth or sixth major find this year, is just breaking - the remains of a third dynasty pyramid (dating to about thirty years before the 'great pyramid' of Khufu at Giza - have been found. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/egyptian-team-discover-remains-of-5000.html?m=1#!/2017/04/egyptian-team-discover-remains-of-5000.html

Anchorman, is this as it seerseerns to me to be an exceptional amount of finds? If so, is there any particular reason for it.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 03, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
It seems to be just a bit above average, NS. The media, however, seem to concentrate on 'Tut stuff' and anything Zahi Hawass, self publicist extraordinary, comes up with, to the detriment of everything else. Last season, for instance, there were over thirty excavations in the field in Egypt (and four very brave ones in the Sudan), and a pretty good haul of discoveries ensued. Ironically, the reduced tourist traffic, especially in the Luxor area, means that the excavations can procede in relative peace (relative if you include the armed guards).
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 03, 2017, 01:26:02 PM
It seems to be just a bit above average, NS. The media, however, seem to concentrate on 'Tut stuff' and anything Zahi Hawass, self publicist extraordinary, comes up with, to the detriment of everything else. Last season, for instance, there were over thirty excavations in the field in Egypt (and four very brave ones in the Sudan), and a pretty good haul of discoveries ensued. Ironically, the reduced tourist traffic, especially in the Luxor area, means that the excavations can procede in relative peace (relative if you include the armed guards).

Thanks, I did wonder if the reduction in the tourist trade might have a spin off benefit.  One of things I found fascinating when I first went to Rome was the extent to which archeological discoveries were almost an annoyance to many people. It underlines that there much be many fascinating sites still list around the Med and beyond.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 03, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
 The original post referred to a third dynasty pyramid - it appears that Luxor News erred and the actual remains are those of a THIRTEENTH dynasty pyramid. Actually, this might be even more significant than the earlier possibility - since we have all the main royal pyramids and tombs of the third dynasty, but the thirteenth is still relatively little known, with a confusion of kings who reigned for a short time, and some simultaneously. If this tomb has a burial in any semi-intact state, it will add a whole lot to the study of the period. Here's a link to some of the very latest pics. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/262156.aspx
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2017, 03:42:14 PM
......and there's more. OK, pyramidiots of the world unite and get your measuring tapes out. A friend of mine, French Egyptologist Jean Pierre Houdin, has posted the latest info on voids found within the great pyramid of Khufu at Giza. https://mobile.twitter.com/MehdiTayoubi/status/848962894821814272/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=MehdiTayoubi&utm_content=848962894821814272
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 08, 2017, 09:50:18 AM
The very latest stuff from the 'new' pyramid at Dahshur. The ID seems to be one of the many kings of this complex period - and one of whom we know very little. This seems interesting. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/262348.aspx
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 18, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
......and they keep on comiing......... http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentP/9/265161/Heritage/Egyptian-archaeologists-unearth-tomb-of-th-Dynasty.aspx
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 18, 2017, 06:36:18 PM
The latest spectacular pictures from the Luxor cache tomb, the official details of which have just been announced. http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/photos-pharaonic-cemetery-dozens-coffins-gold-colored-masks-discovered-luxor
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 10, 2017, 06:46:57 PM
The very latest pics from the dig at Dashur, where the remains of a royal burial from the somewhat obscure thirteenth dynasty are being excavated. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/the-burial-chamber-of-13th-dynasty.html#!/2017/05/the-burial-chamber-of-13th-dynasty.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 13, 2017, 03:14:11 PM
And yet more...... This time, mainly Greco-Roman period - but a cache tomb of at least nineteen mummies plus artefacts...... http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/5063/Ministry-announces-18-mummies-discovered-in-central-Egypt
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on June 19, 2017, 06:30:24 PM
......and the latest. intriguing, find.... https://www.livescience.com/59534-ancient-nubia-tomb-of-gold-worker-found.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 16, 2017, 08:57:02 AM
 .....And so it continues. The latest scans of KV 62 are, apparently, "quite encouraging". This makes four separate scans of the tomb of Tutankhamun since Nick Reeves revealed his theory that there is at least one as yet undiscovered chamber in the modest, roughly made tomb. It's taking longer to scan it than it did to build it...... Here's the latest National Geographic report. WARNING: THIS ARTICLE CONTAINS ZAHI HAWASS..... http://www.nationalgeographic.it/popoli-culture/2017/07/07/news/sulle_tracce_di_nefertiti-3594952/?refresh_ce
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 18, 2017, 06:28:51 PM
 With the caveat that this article contains Zahi Hawass, and therefore either speculation, plagiarism or both, a lot of Egyptologists are getting their knickers in a twist at the possibility that a new tomb in the Valley of the Kings might be that of Tutankhamun's wife, Ankhesenamun - possibly because it is located next to Ay, Tutankhamun's successor (and probably grandfather) who may have 'married' Ankhesenamun (his granddaughter?) to legitimise his claim to power. Personally,. I think the mummy labelled KV 21 a in the Cairo Museum is her, but we await developments. https://www.livescience.com/59840-king-tut-wife-tomb-possibly-found.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 10, 2017, 10:41:31 PM
Get your speculation hats ready - 'cos the tech may be coming up trumps. The experts have discovered an as yet unknown void within the great pyramid of Khufu. http://www.newsweek.com/ancient-egypt-secret-room-discovered-great-pyramid-archaeologists-armed-lasers-647372
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 28, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
The new dig season's barly begun, and yet another discovery is announcedd - a whopping great necropolis at Luxor!
I can remember someone saying to me, two decades ago, that Egypt was 'all dyg out'.
Since then, there have been around twenty major finds a year - every year.

http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/19746/Discovery-of-a-New-Archaeological-Necropolis-in-Luxor
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on August 28, 2017, 06:16:55 PM
That is a most interesting link. thank you for posting.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 28, 2017, 09:51:57 PM
That is a most interesting link. thank you for posting.
 


Cheers, Susan.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 30, 2017, 08:54:03 AM
 Another day, another announcement.
This one might be important, though - for anyone interested in the lead up to Akhenaten's time.
Chambers that appear to have housed the burials of royal children and a few foriegn wives have been located in the West Valley  - an adjunct of the Valley of the Kings, not far from the tomb of Amenhotep III, Tutankhamun's grandfather, and some of the burials seem to have been his offspring.
http://luxorpost.com/en/2017/08/a-royal-childrens-tomb-discovered-in-the-west-banks-valley-of-the-kings-in-luxor/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 08, 2017, 10:29:53 PM
Something's brewing on the news feeds tonight.
Sometimes Egyptian press stuff can be OTT; however today's announcement has set Egyptologists' alarm bells ringing.
Dra abu el Naga was a burial ground for two main times - the second Intermediate royal tombs - and the third intermediate period eara.
Either discovery would be very significant - but the latter more so.
There are a few 'missing' priests and priest kings, as well as a couple of kings themselves, and we have long suspected a third 'mummy cache' tomb.
Two such cache tombs, labelled DB 320 and KV35, were found in the late nineteenth century, containing the stripped and re-wrapped mummies of many of the greatest Kings of Egypt, put there after there tombs were cleared by the state around 1050 BC.
Could this be number three?
Watch this space!
http://luxorpost.com/en/2017/09/egypt-announces-details-discovery-
mass-grave-pharaohs-luxor/

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 09, 2017, 09:47:23 AM
This seems to be more than a run-of-the-mill find, and points toward a sifnicant cache tomb.
The Department of Antiquities will be giving a live stream announcement tomorrow morning.
Meanwhile, here's a blog with pics and a few more details of this Dra abu el 'naga find.
   http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/exclusive-egyptian-archaeologists.html?m=1#!/2017/09/exclusive-egyptian-archaeologists.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 09, 2017, 11:18:29 AM
 Confusion is Egypt's main export.
     The  Dra abu el Naga  Tomb seems to be a typical recycling job - The Egyptians were experts at using earlier tombs to put later bodies in.
The original owner seems to have been a goldsmith named Amenemhet, and he lived in the fifteenth century BC - Egypt's golden age.
This in itself is unusual - elite craftsmen were usually buried in private tombs at Deir-el-medina; possibly Amenemhet was an elite craftsman, given high honours by the court - we have to research this.
Anyway, his tomb seems to have been opened four centuries later - not to rob, but to add a few more mummies!
There are plenty of shabti figures, statuettes, boxes, pots, maybe even Amenemhet's tool chest, in the tomb, and a superb insight into artisan life in the fifteenth century BC.
The added bonus is that there are a further four tombs located very close by - probably either members of Amenemhet's family, or fellow elite craftsmen.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 26, 2017, 06:13:29 PM
And there's more.
Even whopping great Temples that we've known about for centuries can surprise us.
Here's the very latest from the iconic Temple of Horus at Edfu - one of the best preserved Ptolemaic period temples - and one we thought we knew everything about - until today, that is.

http://www.egypttoday.com
/Article/4/24753/Edfo-Temple-expansion-discovered
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 02, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
Probably one of the best Egyptologists in his field, Barry Kemp, has announced a new find.
Kemp's speciality is Akhetaten - the city built by the so-called 'heretic' king Akhenaten; which he has excavetad for more than a decade.
This article gives a rather poor image of this latest find, but it's still worth a look.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/278025.aspx
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on October 02, 2017, 11:10:35 PM
Probably one of the best Egyptologists in his field, Barry Kemp, has announced a new find.
Kemp's speciality is Akhetaten - the city built by the so-called 'heretic' king Akhenaten; which he has excavetad for more than a decade.
This article gives a rather poor image of this latest find, but it's still worth a look.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/278025.aspx
A DECADE? Should have used a JCB!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 03, 2017, 08:43:22 AM
Funny you should say that....
In his book "The city of Akhenaten and Nefertiti", Kemp shows how, with the help of a mini JCB, he found the cemetery of the workers who built the city -and there's a great pic of this in the book to boot!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 15, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
........And there's more.
Remains of a temple complex discovered - dating to Ramesses II's time, from Abusir, near Memphis (Just south of Cairo)
http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/czech-archaeologists-discover-ramses-ii.html?m=1#!/2017/10/czech-archaeologists-discover-ramses-ii.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 02, 2017, 08:20:37 PM
This looks interesting - but how the heck they're going to access it beats me.
http://www.nature.com/news/cosmic-ray-particles-reveal-secret-chamber-in-egypt-s-great-pyramid-1.22939


 And here's a youtube link to images of the scanning project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB-MOGw0RMo&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on November 03, 2017, 07:14:19 AM
Yes, this latest piece of news about the large space above the King's chamber is most interesting, isn't it? On the GH forum in the 'Mysteries' section there is quite a lively discussion.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 03, 2017, 10:12:43 AM
Yes, this latest piece of news about the large space above the King's chamber is most interesting, isn't it? On the GH forum in the 'Mysteries' section there is quite a lively discussion.


Hi, Susan;
You can bet the Egyptology sites are in overdrive at the moment - and some of the more - er - speculative ones as well!
If you want my opinion, for what it's worth, I think this will be another 'relieving chamber' designed to take the stress from the building blocks above it. I very much doubt if there is any material there - though I hope I'm wrong.
In my wildest dreams, I suppose I could hope for images or a statue of Khufu - of all the Old Kingdom monarchs, he is the one with the fewest statues to his name. We only have one - a three inch high ivory statuette, which in all probability was carved much later than his time.
If you're interested, there's a few intelligent articles by French Egyptologist Jean-Pierre Houdin on the following site - which is also well respected for in-depth articles on mainly Old Kingdom stuff.

http://emhotep.net/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on November 03, 2017, 04:46:27 PM
anchorman

Thank you for reply. I will look up Houdinlater. Even if it is another relieving chamber, it will still be a new discovery, I suppose!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 17, 2017, 10:52:47 PM
And another....
This time atemple in the Delta - rare enough; this one could be significant signalling a major settlement....
http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/32821/A-temple-for-Isis-dating-back-to-Ancient-Egypt-era
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: trippymonkey on November 18, 2017, 08:32:56 AM
What's this 'relieving chamber' full of ?? Water?? ;)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 18, 2017, 10:06:42 AM
What's this 'relieving chamber' full of ?? Water?? ;)
   


Well, as one o the gangs which built the thing called themselves"Khufu's drunkards" (as scrawled in a graffito in another such cahmber), who knows...: :)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2017, 05:56:37 PM
   

 it
Well, as one o the gangs which built the thing called themselves"Khufu's drunkards" (as scrawled in a graffito in another such cahmber), who knows...: :)
hi Anchorman

I'd be grateful if you would watch this video and give me your thoughts on it

https://youtu.be/puXsFyainQU


thanks
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 22, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
hi Anchorman

I'd be grateful if you would watch this video and give me your thoughts on it

https://youtu.be/puXsFyainQU


thanks
       




I've had a quick look, Walter.
The Old Kingdom isn't my speciality - more the Amarna Period and Third Intermediate Period/late period.
However, I do know that there is absolutely no doubt that the Giza pyramids were constructed for the kings who were interred in them - and that the construction technology is fairly well known, as are the burials of those who constructed them, which show the strains, wear and tear expected in their construction.
We even have the docks where the stones were landed from Tura - and evidence from Tura - namely half quarried stones with scrawled inscriptions left because they were surplus to requirements.
Besides, the pyramids did not appear from nowhere; they evolved from the 'mastaba' tombs of the Second dynasty, through the Step Pyramid of Njeterkhet Djoser in the third (and partially completed step pyramids of his three successors) To Sneferu's attempts to cover his step pyramid and turn it into a 'true' pyramid - which failed, so he built two more until the third - the first 'true' pyramid, met with his approval.
His son was Khufu, builder of the Great pyramid at Giza.
The failed step pyramids, and Sneferu's 'bent' second pyramid, give insights into the evolving construction.
As for drilling? Take a look at these statues of Khufu's son, Khafre - carved using copper chisels from hard granite - and you'll see that the limestone and sandstone from which the pyramids were constructed were 'easier' to shape by comparison.
http://www.bridgemanimages.com/fr/asset/68328/egyptian-4th-dynasty-c-2613-2498-bc/statue-of-khafre-2520-2494-bc-enthroned-from-the-valley-temple-of-the-pyramid-of-khafre-at-giza-old-kingdom-c-2540-2505-bc-diorite-see-also-68319
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2017, 07:25:21 PM
er, not really I'm more interested in the ''lost technology' as demonstrated in the vid . rather than who they were built for ,which to me, is far more important . but you don't know?
sorry i've just remembered , you are hard of sight  please excuse me .
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 22, 2017, 09:56:27 PM
er, not really I'm more interested in the ''lost technology' as demonstrated in the vid . rather than who they were built for ,which to me, is far more important . but you don't know?
sorry i've just remembered , you are hard of sight  please excuse me .
 





Nah.
I can magnify my (extra large) screen up to x120, so I can watch a youtube video.
Thing is, though, there are no 'lost technologies' as far as the Old Kingdom pyramids are concerned.
The self-same 'drill holes' can be seen in the earliest door lintels dating back 150 years before Khufu's time.
There are umpteen spurious claims on dbious sites - from Graham Hancock to Erik von Danekin (not forgetting David Icke) trying to find a myster where there is no mystery to find.
The sheer, incredible truth is that these monuments were plannded using sticks and cords, plumb lines and set squares, built using copper chisels, sand, grindsones and muscle power, by ordinary men with extraordinary minds.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 22, 2017, 10:19:49 PM
 





Nah.
I can magnify my (extra large) screen up to x120, so I can watch a youtube video.
Thing is, though, there are no 'lost technologies' as far as the Old Kingdom pyramids are concerned.
The self-same 'drill holes' can be seen in the earliest door lintels dating back 150 years before Khufu's time.
There are umpteen spurious claims on dbious sites - from Graham Hancock to Erik von Danekin (not forgetting David Icke) trying to find a myster where there is no mystery to find.
The sheer, incredible truth is that these monuments were plannded using sticks and cords, plumb lines and set squares, built using copper chisels, sand, grindsones and muscle power, by ordinary men with extraordinary minds.
so are you saying the video is fake and the stone cutting is modern?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 22, 2017, 10:57:11 PM
No, what I'm saying is that we can easily trace the evolution of building in stone back to the second dynasty mastabas.
The holes have been noted, as I pointed out, in door lintels which predate the pyramids, the same holes being noted down through the millenia in door lintels and footings in temple construction throughout Egypt - right into the Roman period.
There is np 'lost technology' as far as reputable experts on the Old Kingdom such as Romer, Kitchen, Houdin, etc, are concerned.

Nor are there any mysteries involving the carving, transporting and moving the blocks - especially since the discovery of the world's oldest papyrus which was written by a 'fang leader' on the construction of Khufu's pyramid.

 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 12:32:01 AM
No, what I'm saying is that we can easily trace the evolution of building in stone back to the second dynasty mastabas.
The holes have been noted, as I pointed out, in door lintels which predate the pyramids, the same holes being noted down through the millenia in door lintels and footings in temple construction throughout Egypt - right into the Roman period.
There is np 'lost technology' as far as reputable experts on the Old Kingdom such as Romer, Kitchen, Houdin, etc, are concerned.

Nor are there any mysteries involving the carving, transporting and moving the blocks - especially since the discovery of the world's oldest papyrus which was written by a 'fang leader' on the construction of Khufu's pyramid.

 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/
no, that's not helping me.

I'm interested in how the stone was drilled and cut so precisely . If you don't know I would rather you say so , with all due respect

I have no interest what so ever in who  ordered , or what dynasty or who they were constructed for . I'm only interested in their technology and tools because that is far more important to human endeavour than the fancy rulers and their families

or perhaps this aspect doesnt interest you ?

cheers
Walter
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
There are various possible techniques for drilling holes and the like using copper tools with the addition of sand to do the work. I think it is true to say that we don't know exactly what techniques were used but that there is no reason to think that there was some hi tech method now lost as the results seen can be produced using technology available to the pyramid builders.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 23, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Exactly.
That's why I pointed out the evolution of building techniques over the centuries, Maeght.
We don't know exactly which method was used, but we do know the three or four alternative methods. Time and the action of sand had erased traces of the copper which was left by the chisels, I suppose.
Claims of ancient technology, alien technology, lost technology, secret meanings of the measurements of the Giza pyramids, not to mention Hancock's dating the Sphinx to before 10,000 BC, can be lumped into a term coined by the 'father of Egyptology', W.M. Flinders Petrie, when he was approached by one such 'theorist'.
He called them 'pyramidiots' - and the term stuck.
They were, and are, incredible constructions - dubbed 'resurrection machines' by modern Egyptologists.
Don't bother sticking a tomato under a pyramid to see if it will germinate - the 'resurrection' was supposed to unite the king with the solar deities.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 09:30:05 AM
Exactly.
That's why I pointed out the evolution of building techniques over the centuries, Maeght.
We don't know exactly which method was used, but we do know the three or four alternative methods. Time and the action of sand had erased traces of the copper which was left by the chisels, I suppose.
Claims of ancient technology, alien technology, lost technology, secret meanings of the measurements of the Giza pyramids, not to mention Hancock's dating the Sphinx to before 10,000 BC, can be lumped into a term coined by the 'father of Egyptology', W.M. Flinders Petrie, when he was approached by one such 'theorist'.
He called them 'pyramidiots' - and the term stuck.
They were, and are, incredible constructions - dubbed 'resurrection machines' by modern Egyptologists.
Don't bother sticking a tomato under a pyramid to see if it will germinate - the 'resurrection' was supposed to unite the king with the solar deities.

There is it seems to me a modern belief that things can only get done using hi tech. I was talking to a lad about Victorian mining and canal building once and he said 'But how did they do it without technology,?' Manpower,time and basic tools can achieve a lot.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 23, 2017, 10:05:09 AM
There is it seems to me a modern belief that things can only get done using hi tech. I was talking to a lad about Victorian mining and canal building once and he said 'But how did they do it without technology,?' Manpower,time and basic tools can achieve a lot.

It's been argued, convincingly, that, just as the Industrial revolurion kick started what has become modern society, so the 'pyramid age ' - the fourth dynasty - stabilised Egypt and firmly estaqblished the concept of a nation-state.
Whereas before the king had exercised authority frm Memphis bu force, since he needed vast amounts of agriculture, livestock, not to mention a standing force of at least seven thousand workers ro quarry, refine, transport and erect the stones, never mind bakers, brewers, tanners, etc, the state was reorganised, a civil service established to enforce taxation,etc...eseentially, the system survived a further three millenia, despite interuption due to internal or external forces.
And since Egypt became the model for nation building in the Levant, and eventually, southern Europe, the pyramid age may well have started the rise of modern state development.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 12:21:24 PM
Exactly.
That's why I pointed out the evolution of building techniques over the centuries, Maeght.
We don't know exactly which method was used, but we do know the three or four alternative methods. Time and the action of sand had erased traces of the copper which was left by the chisels, I suppose.
Claims of ancient technology, alien technology, lost technology, secret meanings of the measurements of the Giza pyramids, not to mention Hancock's dating the Sphinx to before 10,000 BC, can be lumped into a term coined by the 'father of Egyptology', W.M. Flinders Petrie, when he was approached by one such 'theorist'.
He called them 'pyramidiots' - and the term stuck.
They were, and are, incredible constructions - dubbed 'resurrection machines' by modern Egyptologists.
Don't bother sticking a tomato under a pyramid to see if it will germinate - the 'resurrection' was supposed to unite the king with the solar deities.
well , thanks for your replies , however it is obvious we are interested in totally different aspects of this subject .

I'm only concerned by the engineering , tooling, mathematicians  and cutting methods used which is obviously far more important than the other stuff

cheers

Walter
 
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 23, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
Earlier in this thread,
walter,
i posted a link to the Em Hotep site, which includes extensive articles by Jean-Pierre Houdin, himself a highly qualified at
rchetect and draughtsman who turned to Egyptology, and has since used his expertise to research the construction techniques of the Giza pyramids. Both he and Lehrer , as well as Romer, are experts in the field of dyn IV monumental constuctions, having excavated in the area as well as at Sakkara, Abusir and Dahshur, on earlier and indeed later pyramids.
You might try the Em Hotep site for a fuller evaluation of the techniques and indeed technology used in the construction of the Giza pyramids.
 http://emhotep.net/
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Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Earlier in this thread,
walter,
i posted a link to the Em Hotep site, which includes extensive articles by Jean-Pierre Houdin, himself a highly qualified at
rchetect and draughtsman who turned to Egyptology, and has since used his expertise to research the construction techniques of the Giza pyramids. Both he and Lehrer , as well as Romer, are experts in the field of dyn IV monumental constuctions, having excavated in the area as well as at Sakkara, Abusir and Dahshur, on earlier and indeed later pyramids.
You might try the Em Hotep site for a fuller evaluation of the techniques and indeed technology used in the construction of the Giza pyramids.
 http://emhotep.net/

yes I saw them and also just looked at the one you posted , they are not helpful.

unfortunately draughtsmen and architects are not generally engineers and tool makers
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Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 03:35:00 PM
yes I saw them and also just looked at the one you posted , they are not helpful.

unfortunately draughtsmen and architects are not generally engineers and tool makers

What questions do you have Walter?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 04:33:56 PM
What questions do you have Walter?
have you seen the vid I linked to , not sure if its genuine, but my questions relate to  what it refers to

drilling ,cutting ,shaping stone in such ways
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
have you seen the vid I linked to , not sure if its genuine, but my questions relate to  what it refers to

drilling ,cutting ,shaping stone in such ways

Some of it. What specific questions though?

There are ?techniques for drilling and cutting stones using copper tools and sand. We don't know exactly which ones were used by the ancient Egyptians but there is no reason to think they couldn't achieve what they did using these techniques. Do you want to know the details of the techniques
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Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 05:30:16 PM
Some of it. What specific questions though?

There are ?techniques for drilling and cutting stones using copper tools and sand. We don't know exactly which ones were used by the ancient Egyptians but there is no reason to think they couldn't achieve what they did using these techniques. Do you want to know the details of the techniques
what do you mean' there is no reason ' unless you can show me someone drill a perfect hole in stone with copper chisel , then I am not convinced

simply saying it , like you do, is not enough
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Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 05:57:40 PM
what do you mean' there is no reason ' unless you can show me someone drill a perfect hole in stone with copper chisel , then I am not convinced

simply saying it , like you do, is not enough

I didn't say they used a copper chisel, I said copper tools (such as cylinders) and sand. Add water and plenty of time and you can cut through stone. There are lots of references to this on the internet. Google it. The fact that there are techniques which can achieve these results with the sort of technology the ancient Egyptians had is why I said 'there is no reason'.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 06:17:02 PM
Have you found this one Walter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeS5lrmyD74

Just an example of the possible.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on November 23, 2017, 06:28:27 PM
Have you found this one Walter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeS5lrmyD74

Just an example of the possible.
that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Maeght on November 23, 2017, 08:34:50 PM
that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though

Indeed.
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Post by: Anchorman on November 24, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
that's what I'm after , thank you . I can imagine they came up with method of speeding that up though
 
Something was rattling through what's left of my mind last night as I slept through a presbytery meeting.
I'm almost certain the objects are on display at the brilliant Petrie museum, but I know Petrie brought some of the artefacts he found at Giza back to London.
Meantime, here's a reasonable article which might interest yo, Walter.
http://www.oocities.org/unforbidden_geology/ancient_egyptian_copper_coring_drills.html




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Post by: Walter on November 24, 2017, 10:16:25 AM
 
Something was rattling through what's left of my mind last night as I slept through a presbytery meeting.
I'm almost certain the objects are on display at the brilliant Petrie museum, but I know Petrie brought some of the artefacts he found at Giza back to London.
Meantime, here's a reasonable article which might interest yo, Walter.
http://www.oocities.org/unforbidden_geology/ancient_egyptian_copper_coring_drills.html




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thank you , that's more like it . I've had a quick read through , will give it more consideration later , very interesting .
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Post by: Anchorman on November 24, 2017, 11:10:49 AM
thank you , that's more like it . I've had a quick read through , will give it more consideration later , very interesting .



Well, at least Presbytery's good for somethang.
By the way, for anyone who doesn't want to be dazzled by Egyptian New Kingdom bling, the Petrie Museum is a fantastic resource - crammed with stuff from Egypt's remote past right through the 'Pyramid age'.
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Post by: Anchorman on December 09, 2017, 08:33:20 PM
And yet more...announced officially today. Two tombs, one known but not fully excaveted, the other unknown, found at dra Abu-el-Naga, near Luxor. These tombs date to the early eighteenth dynasty. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/283041.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on December 14, 2017, 11:05:10 AM
Egypt: the gift that keeps on giving. Everyone's heard about Giza or Luxor - the 'glamerous' sites. But there's a site few tourists visit, but which has nonetheless proven a very rich seam for archaeology and a re-interpretation of history to boot - Gebel -el Sisila. (Other spellings are available) New finds are being made there on a regular basis, witrh the latest, somewhat poignant, finds, being recordes in the site blog, courtesy of the Egyptian Exploration Society. https://gebelelsilsilaepigraphicsurveyproject.blogspot.co.uk/
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Post by: Anchorman on January 02, 2018, 03:23:18 PM
New Year, new finds.... This time from the Delta - where conditions usually conspire to ruin preservation, and remains are scant. Buto was a town sacred to the Wadjet cobra deity, and grew in importance from the eighth century BC. Several rulers came from the area, and finds there are always significant.http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/286388.aspx
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Post by: SusanDoris on January 02, 2018, 03:36:34 PM
 





Nah.


I can magny my (extra large) screen up to x120, so I can watch a youtube video.
Thing is, though, there are no 'lost technologies' as far as the Old Kingdom pyramids are concerned.
The self-same 'drill holes' can be seen in the earliest door lintels dating back 150 years before Khufu's time.
There are umpteen spurious claims on dbious sites - from Graham Hancock to Erik von Danekin (not forgetting David Icke) trying to find a myster where there is no mystery to find.
The sheer, incredible truth is that these monuments were plannded using sticks and cords, plumb lines and set squares, built using copper chisels, sand, grindsones and muscle power, by ordinary men with extraordinary minds.
A big round of applause here!  On the Mysteries section of the GH message boards there are often long, long topics where the simple facts are disputed, not accepted, it must be mysterious ancient civilisations, lost skills etc etc :D
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Post by: ippy on January 02, 2018, 03:45:41 PM
I zapped the t v about a week or so ago and I saw the last few minutes of a programme about the D N A links between Tut and his parents, it looks like they've nailed exactly who his parents were and not unusually in this era they were siblings plus Tut had an identifiable genetic disorder, a condition that was very likely to be the main contributory cause of his death.

Anyone know any more about that programme?

Egypt is certainly an amazing place for antiquities of all sorts and thanks for the various links, really really interesting. 

Regards ippy
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Post by: Anchorman on January 02, 2018, 06:47:50 PM
A big round of applause here!  On the Mysteries section of the GH message boards there are often long, long topics where the simple facts are disputed, not accepted, it must be mysterious ancient civilisations, lost skills etc etc :D
 


      In Greek times, it was 'lost wisdom.'.
By Arab times it was Ali Baba and alchemy.
The modern successors to Flinders Petrie's "pyramidiots" are alive and well, Susan.
In his time it was the theories of the 'pyramid inch' (which didn't exist) calculating the return of Christ, or the Great Pyramid as 'Joseph's granaries' which inspired the nut jobs.
A few decades later, the drivel surrounding the so-called  "Curse of the Pharaohs" caught the  imagination.
Now it's alien tech and extra-terrestrial influence.
Egypt seems to generate the tendency to fantasise.
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Post by: Anchorman on January 02, 2018, 06:57:09 PM
I zapped the t v about a week or so ago and I saw the last few minutes of a programme about the D N A links between Tut and his parents, it looks like they've nailed exactly who his parents were and not unusually in this era they were siblings plus Tut had an identifiable genetic disorder, a condition that was very likely to be the main contributory cause of his death.

Anyone know any more about that programme?

Egypt is certainly an amazing place for antiquities of all sorts and thanks for the various links, really really interesting. 

Regards ippy



Ippy:  Those findings are about the most controversial in Egypt at the moment.
The identity of Tutankhamun's mum is a hot potato.
The mummy identified as "KV35 YL" is the prime candidate, but whether she was a full sister of Akhenaten or a cousin is still a bit iffy. The documentary plumps for a brother-sister bond, which wouldn't be impossible...other Egyptologists go for a cousin-cousin bond - the cousin being a member of a branch closely connected to the main Royal family for at least five generations.
Some claim to be able to put a name to that mummy - a name you've probably heard of - Nefertiti.
Not only that, given the position of her arms at the time of her embalming, they say that this confirms that she was yet another female king, ruling under the name "Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten".
If you're keeping up, you might be aware that probably 60% of the stuff in Tutankhamun's tomb - including at least two of the coffins and the golden mask - were actually made for this king.
So Tut might have been buried in his mum's coffin...
curioser and curioser....

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Post by: ippy on January 02, 2018, 09:23:26 PM


Ippy:  Those findings are about the most controversial in Egypt at the moment.
The identity of Tutankhamun's mum is a hot potato.
The mummy identified as "KV35 YL" is the prime candidate, but whether she was a full sister of Akhenaten or a cousin is still a bit iffy. The documentary plumps for a brother-sister bond, which wouldn't be impossible...other Egyptologists go for a cousin-cousin bond - the cousin being a member of a branch closely connected to the main Royal family for at least five generations.
Some claim to be able to put a name to that mummy - a name you've probably heard of - Nefertiti.
Not only that, given the position of her arms at the time of her embalming, they say that this confirms that she was yet another female king, ruling under the name "Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten".
If you're keeping up, you might be aware that probably 60% of the stuff in Tutankhamun's tomb - including at least two of the coffins and the golden mask - were actually made for this king.
So Tut might have been buried in his mum's coffin...
curiouser and curiouser....

Yes I suppose like a lot of those convoluted happenings of those times you would, anyone would have quite some job unrevealing who's who, I'm my own uncle Etc.

My wife's cousin lectures Egyptology at the Uni in Adelaide, my she's such a very interesting person, she reads the hieroglyphics straight off of anything Egyptian, she's heavily into the Richard the third society as well down there, I'll have to drop her a line and catch up,

If you do find any more links like the D N A one I'd appreciate it if you were to bang it or them up on the screen.

Regards ippy and thanks, very interesting. 

P S Haven't the Germans got a bust of Nefertiti, minus one eye? (My spell check has just tried to correct Nefertiti to infertile).
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Post by: Anchorman on January 02, 2018, 09:50:59 PM
Yes I suppose like a lot of those convoluted happenings of those times you would, anyone would have quite some job unrevealing who's who, I'm my own uncle Etc. My wife's cousin lectures Egyptology at the Uni in Adelaide, my she's such a very interesting person, she reads the hieroglyphics straight off of anything Egyptian, she's heavily into the Richard the third society as well down there, I'll have to drop her a line and catch up, If you do find any more links like the D N A one I'd appreciate it if you were to bang it or them up on the screen. Regards ippy and thanks, very interesting. P S Haven't the Germans got a bust of Nefertiti, minus one eye? (My spell check has just tried to correct Nefertiti to infertile).
Last bit first; Yes, Borchart found the incredible bust of Nefertiti in the ruins of Akhenaten's capital - Akhrtatrn - now el-Amarna, at the site of a sculptor, Thutmose's studio.It is in Germany, though copies have been made and are in London and Cairo, exact in every detail. Second, if you're interested in the Amarna period - and I don't know an Egyptophile who isn't, there are literally thousands of books on the subject, from the scholarly to the plain nuts, but here are three of the best modern takes on the subject; "Akhenaten: Egypt's false prophet" by Nicolas Reeves, and two books by a friend of mine, Aiden Dodson, "Amarna Sunrise" and ŁAmarna Sunset". Finally, here's the link to the report on the DNA scans of the royal mummies; disputed by several experts, both on genetics and archaeology grounds, but, hey, that's Egypt for you; a detecive story where you try to find a crime when you can't identify the victims, but there's a good chance you have their guts in a jar..... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185393
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Post by: ippy on January 03, 2018, 12:23:47 PM
Last bit first; Yes, Borchart found the incredible bust of Nefertiti in the ruins of Akhenaten's capital - Akhrtatrn - now el-Amarna, at the site of a sculptor, Thutmose's studio.It is in Germany, though copies have been made and are in London and Cairo, exact in every detail. Second, if you're interested in the Amarna period - and I don't know an Egyptophile who isn't, there are literally thousands of books on the subject, from the scholarly to the plain nuts, but here are three of the best modern takes on the subject; "Akhenaten: Egypt's false prophet" by Nicolas Reeves, and two books by a friend of mine, Aiden Dodson, "Amarna Sunrise" and ŁAmarna Sunset". Finally, here's the link to the report on the DNA scans of the royal mummies; disputed by several experts, both on genetics and archaeology grounds, but, hey, that's Egypt for you; a detecive story where you try to find a crime when you can't identify the victims, but there's a good chance you have their guts in a jar..... https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/185393

Thanks for the additional info Anch, I am really interested in Egyptology but I'm no expert on the subject, even so I shall be going through your links with interest.

I haven't got the time at the mo I'm adjusting my furniture to back up to the wall over the boxing I've put over the new central heating pipes etcetera prior to having new carpet laid, moved in here the day before the referendum and this is about the last of the many jobs that will make the place feel like our own, however there's a lot to catch up with including those links, thank you.

Kind regards ippy
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Post by: Anchorman on January 13, 2018, 10:26:10 PM
Another week, another find.... This time from Sn-el Hagar....better known as Tanis, site, not of Indiana Jonses' Ark, but of the Northern Capital of the Third Intermediate Period - and, icidentally, the royal necropolis with finds that rivalled and surpassed those of Tutankhamun, in the late 1930's and mid '40's. This time a stela of Ramesses II - which came from his city of Piramesse (Biblical 'Ramses'). The entire stonework of the city, temples, statues, the lot, was moved to Tanis when the branch of the Nile on which Piramesse stood silted up - around 1000 BC. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/288037/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Ramses-II-stelae-uncovered-at-San-AlHagar-site.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on January 17, 2018, 06:30:05 PM
...and there's more. This time, from the second century AD - from el-Alamein..and not a desert rat in sight. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/40362/Egyptian-archaeological-mission-discovers-tomb-in-Alamein
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Post by: Anchorman on January 17, 2018, 06:59:59 PM
Tchy stuff bursts a bubble. If you've never viewed the Manchester Museum collection of Egyptian stuff, take a look; it's of world importance. One of the mysteries, however, has been solved. There had been speculation that two mummies found in the same, rather rare, 'double coffin' were lovers in death as well as in life. Whole papers of romantic speculation followed this find. Hard luck: the sund of books being ditched is deafening....because DNA has shown that they were, in fact, step-brothers. Still, the mummies are worth a look; and so is this article. https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-01/uom-adr011518.php
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 01, 2018, 10:42:26 PM
First the Japanese. Then the Germans. Now the Italians are at it. Since Nicolas Reeeve's controversial theory that KV 62 - the endlessly fascinating enigma that is Tutankhamun's tomb - has as yet undiscovered chambers lying beyond the crudely painted burial chamber, scans have been...inconclusive. Now the Italians are having a go. http://luxor-news.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/search-for-tuts-hidden-chambers.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 03, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
Major find dating from the end of dyn V (about 100 years after the 'great' pyramid of Giza) announced from Egypt's department of antiquities this morning: http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/289277/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/BREAKING-yearold-tomb-of-Fifth-Dynasty-prominent-w.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on February 05, 2018, 05:53:22 PM
The big controversy that's been doing the rounds for the past few decades is the identity of Tutankhamun's mum. Here's a glimpse at a recon of "KV35 yl", the prime candidate for the position, identified by brilliant scholar Aidan Dodson (among others) as Nefertiti, great Royal wife of Akhenaten (Tut's dad) and, as Neferneferuaten, King in her own right. https://www.today.com/video/get-an-exclusive-first-look-at-the-face-of-king-tut-s-m other-queen-nefertiti-1153878083619
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Post by: Anchorman on February 07, 2018, 06:07:27 PM
An insight into provincial life in Upper (southern) Egypt around 26oo BC from rare examples of buildings newly excavated..... https://news.uchicago.edu/article/2018/02/06/newly-discovered-buildings-reveal-clues-ancient-egyptian-dynasties
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Post by: Anchorman on February 10, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
Have a drink on them! Beer was a staple in Ancient Egypt....and the Egyptians had a long, long time to perfect the art of brewing - the earliest evidence for beer making dates from before Egypt was unitd in  around 3100 BC. Here's a report on a new find - a micro-brewery, Egyptian style. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/egypt-beer-making-ancien t-brewery-archaeologists-a8201471.html
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Post by: Anchorman on February 24, 2018, 05:20:49 PM
Another week, another find. This time from the Saite period - dyn XXVI; the period whn Egypt was struggling to maintain its' indepndence against an expansionist Persia. The time, also, when several kings and events are mentioned in the Bible - and which coincide with the actuall history of the period. This time, what could be quite a significant provincial burial ground. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/291590.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on February 27, 2018, 02:19:07 PM
And more spadework digs up yet more stuff...... https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/ramses-ii-sandstone-colossus-remains.html#!/2018/02/ramses-ii-sandstone-colossus-remains.html
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Post by: Anchorman on March 01, 2018, 09:33:14 AM
Tatoo ain't new..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-43230202
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Post by: Anchorman on March 05, 2018, 01:48:33 PM
There's a bit in the New Testament where Philip encounters an 'Ethiopian'. What he probably encountered was a Kushite. These were an amalgum of African and Egyptian cultures, who had a quasi-Egyptian state - complete with albeit wierd looking pyramids, which lasted feom around 700BC - 400 AD, going through various phases. Here's the latest find from Nubia - a Kushite King - Asphalta - i all his finery. https://www.livescience.com/61801-ancient-statue-nubian-king.html#undefined.gbpl
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Post by: Anchorman on March 06, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
A great lecture update on the finds at "Khufu's harbour", dating from the very start of the 'pyramid age', and giving insights - from found papyrus documents - the earliest yet found - on the construction andorganisational skills of 5,800 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB9xT2aWXSY&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Anchorman on March 21, 2018, 01:37:56 PM
Pics from the excavation of a twelfth dynasty tomb in Middle Egypt dating to around 4000 BC. This shows the 'democratisation of death' was extending to nobles of middle rank....possibly a sign of affluence becuse of foriegn trade and military expedition to Syria/Palestine, as documented on wall paintings in the vicinity of this one. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/funerary-scenes-unveiled-in-4000-years.html#!/2018/03/funerary-scenes-unveiled-in-4000-years.html
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Post by: wigginhall on March 21, 2018, 04:35:35 PM
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher).

Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'.

I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it. 
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Post by: Anchorman on March 21, 2018, 04:45:59 PM
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher). Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'. I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it.
Ah, Jo - "The dolly with the brolly"! Jo's a friend of mine, and despite her sometimes scatterbrained persona, she really knows her stuff. If you liked that four part series, Wiggs, the book - "The Story of Egypt" is a good read...even if there are a few bits with which I've disagreed amicably over a drink with Joann. The bit about stripping the royal dead is true. The robberies in the Valley of the Kings were getting out of hand - there are some great court records of the time - the "Tomb robbery papyri" detailing some of them. The Amun priesthood finally stripped the tombs, put many of the dead in cheap coffins, and put them into tow caches which we label KV 35 and TT 320. They were found in the late nineteenth century; names like Amenhotep III, Ramesses II, Thitmose III and twenty-odd other kings, not to mention queens and princes, turned up. DNA analysis of them,and the burals of Tutankhamun, Akhenaten, and Tut's great grandparents, have (sort of) sorted out who's who in the eighteenth dynasty mummy shuffle.
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Post by: Anchorman on March 21, 2018, 04:51:40 PM
By the way, Wiggs, if you want a view of royalty in all its' gory detail, go to http://anubis4_2000.tripod.com/mummypages1/intro.htm Unfortunately, this site doesn't cover the pitiful remains behind the gold ans silverware found at Tanis, though.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: wigginhall on March 22, 2018, 11:00:13 AM
Cheers, Jim, I like her persona, not stuck in an ivory tower.  She's doing well, to be galloping through all that in 4 episodes.   Quite hard to keep track of the timeline, but yeah, a few books would help.
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Post by: Anchorman on March 22, 2018, 12:25:23 PM
Cheers, Jim, I like her persona, not stuck in an ivory tower.  She's doing well, to be galloping through all that in 4 episodes.   Quite hard to keep track of the timeline, but yeah, a few books would help.
   


Books? Depends how deep you want to go into the subject.
My specialities are the later eighteenth dynasty and the third Intermediate and Late periods - but I'm a geek.
If you want to read some serious - but readable - scholarly stuff, Aidan Dodson writes on the Amarna period (Akhenaten) with his "Amarna Sunrise" and Amarna Sunset" books - both brilliant works. And Nicolas Reeves' "Akhenaten; Egypt's false prophet"'s worth a look as well. For other periods, modern authors such as Donald Redford, Toby Wilkinson, Salima Ikram and Joyce tyldesly - as well as Joann Fletcher - are always worth a look.
Meanwhile, here's part one of a two-parter documentary, first shown on the Beeb, with Joann giong into details on that tomb-workers village, Deir-el-Medina.
Part 2's also available on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C39cgxTRh_c
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: wigginhall on March 22, 2018, 02:53:29 PM
Thanks, Jim.  I've just realized that the Petrie museum is next to UCL, where I was a postgrad, although I never went in.   Looks fun. 
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Post by: Anchorman on March 22, 2018, 06:29:13 PM
Thanks, Jim.  I've just realized that the Petrie museum is next to UCL, where I was a postgrad, although I never went in.   Looks fun. 
   



You need to go or a shuftie.
There's not too much sparkly stuff, but some of the predynastic and Olkd Kindom artefacts are amazing. I've been there a few times (had hands on with a few pots, ostraca, bits of statues, etc, aswell.
The place is an undiscovered gem!
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Post by: Anchorman on March 23, 2018, 07:00:31 PM
.....and some more discoveries - closer to home. Many museums collected "Egyptian stuff" from the mid nineteenth century when Egyptomania hit the world for the first time. Objects were either displayed without research, or flung into boxes and forgotten about. A couple of years ago, I managed to get up close and personal with some 'shabti' figures in the local Dick Institute, Kilmarnock. Thry'd been on display for decades but no-one had bothered to translate them...but when yours truly had a shuftie, two turned out to be reasonably special, dating from the mid XVIIIth and the early XXIth dynasties. Anyway, here's a find relating to the female king Hatshepsut....from Wales, of all places... http://www.swansea.ac.uk/press-office/latest-news/mysteriousheadofapharaohdiscoveredbyswanseaegyptologist.php
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Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
It's bizarre what relatively small museums has from Egypt. I was fascinated as a child by what my local museum had


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_Museum
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 23, 2018, 07:19:30 PM
It's bizarre what relatively small museums has from Egypt. I was fascinated as a child by what my local museum had


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean_Museum


Yep.
Even the more important museums hold stuff they don't really understand.
Bolyon museum had a cardboard box full of fragments of stone from a wall - kept in storage from the day they got it in the late 1930's.
Egyptologist Christine el-Mahdy was scrabbling about in the depts of the stores looking foe  items to display when she found the box in the late 1980's.
When she put the fragments together, the inscription there virtually rewrote Egyptian history, showing a female king definately ruled just before Tutankhamun came to the throne.
Even the Kelvingrove doesn't really know how important its' small collection is: that massive stone sarcophagus belongs to Pabasa - virtual ruler of upper Egypt during most of the twenty fifth dynasty, and his tomb is one of the best (and biggest) examples of a nobleman's burial place from that time period.

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 23, 2018, 07:32:53 PM
If you haven't talked to the people in charge at the McLean, I think you could help them out. It's a lovely little museum
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 23, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
If you haven't talked to the people in charge at the McLean, I think you could help them out. It's a lovely little museum
   



I'm almost certain Cambell Price - the guy in charge of the Egyptian departments of both Liver pool and Manchester Uni Egyptology departments and the museum collections of both cities - has had a look. He's a Scot, and has rooted about various central belt Egyptian collections, including Paisley, Falkirk and Stirling - he was the one who confirmed my suspicions regarding the Dick Institute shabtis.
I'll let him know, NS.

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Post by: Dicky Underpants on March 27, 2018, 05:23:56 PM
Jim, I was watching a BBC2 film last night on Karnak.   There were lots of things in it which boggled my mind, not least the sheer size of the place, but she said that a lot of grave-robbing there was instigated by various priests, who had bodies unwrapped and rewrapped, so that gold and other valuables could be taken.   Is this correct?  I guess it is, as otherwise she would not have broadcast it, (Joann Fletcher).

Also stuff about a town dump they found, with various messages on bits of pot, e.g. 'get six loaves'.

I am a fan, anyway, and must start reading about it.

Glad you mentioned this. I'd missed the start of the series, but I see there's another episode tonight.
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Post by: Dicky Underpants on March 27, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
There's a bit in the New Testament where Philip encounters an 'Ethiopian'. What he probably encountered was a Kushite. These were an amalgum of African and Egyptian cultures, who had a quasi-Egyptian state - complete with albeit wierd looking pyramids, which lasted feom around 700BC - 400 AD, going through various phases. Here's the latest find from Nubia - a Kushite King - Asphalta - i all his finery. https://www.livescience.com/61801-ancient-statue-nubian-king.html#undefined.gbpl

Did they have a habit of castrating any male who gained a position of authority, or was Philip's eunuch just a one-off (or maybe two or even three. Sorry).
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 27, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Glad you mentioned this. I'd missed the start of the series, but I see there's another episode tonight.
All four episodeshave been kicking around Youtube for a couple of years, if you can't get them on iplayer, DU.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 27, 2018, 08:12:25 PM
Did they have a habit of castrating any male who gained a position of authority, or was Philip's eunuch just a one-off (or maybe two or even three. Sorry).
   




Dunno about that.....but they had a habit of circumcising adults and burying donkeys with their kings....
'nuff said.....
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Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 06:57:40 PM
Siwa. Alexander the Great was here. So were a lot of Greeks and Romans....and now archaeologists, who have uncovered a temple complex. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-greaco.html#!/2018/04/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-greaco.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 04, 2018, 07:05:57 PM
Siwa had a strong Berber influence, iirc?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
Siwa had a strong Berber influence, iirc?


Given its' location, yes.
After all, the precursors of the Berbers were no strangers to Egypt - thrir kings formed the Egyptian dyn XXII-XXIV, and XXVI-XXX rulers, for the most part.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 07:19:45 PM
Siwa had a strong Berber influence, iirc?
May as well shove this in. Any excuse to highlight the discoveries by Montet at Tanis in the 1930's is good enough for me. It's the funerary mask of Sheshonq II - second king of the XXII nd (Lybian) dynasty, part of his burial equipment - one of several completely intact royal burials located under the Temple of Amun at Tanis. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sheshonqii.htm
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 04, 2018, 07:27:51 PM
May as well shove this in. Any excuse to highlight the discoveries by Montet at Tanis in the 1930's is good enough for me. It's the funerary mask of Sheshonq II - second king of the XXII nd (Lybian) dynasty, part of his burial equipment - one of several completely intact royal burials located under the Temple of Amun at Tanis. http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/sheshonqii.htm


And while we are shoving stuff in, recently caught up with Alastair Sooke's programmes on  iPlayer looking at Egypt as the birth of art. Not sure if you have watched them? Link below.

I think it's an interesting approach but I think is likely that the classical concept of art as he discusses it was the exception and is more about a very specific take and needs challenged overall rather than just pointing at things and going surely that is art.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01mv16n/treasures-of-ancient-egypt-1-the-birth-of-art
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Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 08:29:22 PM
And while we are shoving stuff in, recently caught up with Alastair Sooke's programmes on  iPlayer looking at Egypt as the birth of art. Not sure if you have watched them? Link below. I think it's an interesting approach but I think is likely that the classical concept of art as he discusses it was the exception and is more about a very specific take and needs challenged overall rather than just pointing at things and going surely that is art. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p01mv16n/treasures-of-ancient-egypt-1-the-birth-of-art
Yes: I think he's putting a personal interpretation on things which don't merit it. The series is worth a look, though. There's a bit in the second episode where he visits Djeser-Djeseru' the mortuary complex of Hatshepsut...and waxes lyrical about a scene in the inner chapel of Hathor. Sine, in actuality, only one or two priests of the female king's mortuary cult would have access to this chapel, it was hrdly public art; and the concept of Hathor tenderly suclking the infant Hatshepsut is more in keeping with Hathor's role as a royal protector and balance against the growing power of the Karnak Amun cult, than any tender scene of affection. Yes, I'm a cynic......
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 04, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
There is another thread's discussion on what constitutes art, and he's right that certain aspects of it will always be flexible enough to include things that weren't at the time deemed 'art' and at least it allows a view of how quite extraordinary artifacts might be that engages on a different level then look how old and big.

I'm some ways it's the clash between Civilisation and Civilisations on a smaller scale. Art in the end is defined by the observer not the producer.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 10:14:18 PM
There is another thread's discussion on what constitutes art, and he's right that certain aspects of it will always be flexible enough to include things that weren't at the time deemed 'art' and at least it allows a view of how quite extraordinary artifacts might be that engages on a different level then look how old and big.

I'm some ways it's the clash between Civilisation and Civilisations on a smaller scale. Art in the end is defined by the observer not the producer.


Then much of the incredible jewellery, masks, coffins, furniture, etc, which so astonish us in their beauty, cant really be defined as art in Egypt, at any rate.
After all, the only 'people' much of these artefacts were designed to please were the 'ka' of the deceased, and the dieties of the underworld.

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on April 04, 2018, 10:35:50 PM
I think though that defining things as art by the producer is too restrictive. Obviously Lascaux isn't produced as art in any sense we understand it, but then even allowing for a Greco-Roman sensibility.  Is the Pieta on levels not meant to please a deity in some ways? Art is a slippery concept so perhaps we can restrict ourselves to the idea that beauty, and an attempt to achieve motivated many  Egyptians who created visual images?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 04, 2018, 10:54:04 PM
I think though that defining things as art by the producer is too restrictive. Obviously Lascaux isn't produced as art in any sense we understand it, but then even allowing for a Greco-Roman sensibility.  Is the Pieta on levels not meant to please a deity in some ways? Art is a slippery concept so perhaps we can restrict ourselves to the idea that beauty, and an attempt to achieve motivated many  Egyptians who created visual images?
I honestly don't know. The one 'artwork' most mention as 'iconic beauty' in connection with Egypt, is the well known bust of Nefertiti found in the remains of the  sculptor Thutmose's workshop at Akhetaten (Amarna) by Borchart. It's on disply in a room of itrs' own in Berlin....and people such as Sigmund Freud, Hitler (yes, Hitler), Dali, Thompson and umpteen others have rhapsodised over its' near perfection and declared it the finest sculpture in the Ancient World.....but....and, there's always a 'but'. Most Egyptologists will tell you that the piece isn't finished - and nowhere near it! It seems to have simply been left on a shelf when the city was abandoned - probably when Nefertiti herself, ruling as Ankhkheperure Neferneferuaten, returned to Thebes at her husband's death. Over time, the shelf collapsed, and the bust, along with several other superb examples of Thumose's work - all unfinished - fell on the floor of the workshop and a sandstorm hid them. What we percieve as flawless beauty wasn't what Thutmose had intended....so which 'art' is correct? Even the statues and obelisks which adorned temples are not what they were meant to be. We see sandstone statues, diorite and granite columns, walls with beautifully inscised scenes....when what we miss is that each surface, column, wall, statue and obelisk was originally painted with a riot of whites, greens, blues, blacks and every other colour as well. Which is art: what we see now or what was once there? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti_Bust
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Post by: Nearly Sane on April 04, 2018, 11:01:06 PM
Yep, Jim, I don't know either. And your whole point about what the original looks like applies to the art that we just 'think' of as art. The very things that Sooke is trying to say the creations of the Egyptians fit with would look hugely different when they were produced. I know many people hate much of modern art but Duchamp askedvalud questions about what we mean by art. In the end it doesn't matter much other than as a question of how we understand each other.
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Post by: Anchorman on April 08, 2018, 09:24:43 AM
Apologies that this is from the Daily Fail; but here are some spectacular images from the dig at the latest Greco-Roman Temple find. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5582079/Archaeologists-remains-Greco-Roman-temple-Egypt.html?ito=social-facebook
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Post by: Anchorman on April 12, 2018, 10:13:39 PM
Ancient Egyptian-ish.... Probably the least documented bit of Egyptology...the civilisation south of Aswan. The snycretism of Egyptian and African cultures  left a long lasting impact which lasted into the Christian era - indeed may have shaped the Kingdom of Ethiopia which lasted until the 1970s. Anyway, here's a report from the Meroitic Sedeinga necropolis in what is now Sudan. https://www.livescience.com/62272-oldest-meroe-inscriptions-sudan-africa.html
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Post by: Anchorman on April 23, 2018, 10:59:47 AM
You wit for one new discovery, and...... ....well, discoveries at Luxor, Karnak and Aswan turn up. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/298146.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on April 30, 2018, 08:45:16 AM
And some pics from an important "heb-sed" hall founded apparently by Ramesses II, but which appeared to have been used for over a thousand years therafter....and, yes, it's a recent discovery. http://www.egyptindependent.com/photos-egypt-unearths-royal-celebrations-hall-dating-back-to-ramses-era-at-matareya/
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Post by: Anchorman on May 09, 2018, 09:51:45 AM
The very latest from Saqqara. This one's interesting; a general of the Egyptian army from the time of Seti I and Eamesses II - and a non-Egyptian, to boot. By his name, and the names of those of his family found so far in the tomb, he may have had some Canaanite or Syrian origin...not uncommon in Northern (Lower) Egypt, and many such were involved in the care andtraining of the roal chariot force. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/3500-year-old-army-generals-tomb.html#!/2018/05/3500-year-old-army-generals-tomb.html
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Post by: Anchorman on June 12, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
To avoid cluttering up another thread, here's last year's report from the south cemetary at Akhetaten (Tel-el-Amarna) which points to the brutal treatment of the workers involved in the construction of the city. It should be pointed out that remains from other sites in Egypt from the same period show no signs of severe overwork - nor, for that matter, child labour. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273293452_Life_death_and_beyond_in_Akhenaten's_Egypt_Excavating_the_South_Tombs_Cemetery_at_Amarna
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Post by: Anchorman on June 26, 2018, 04:55:35 PM
Another find. This gets to the guts of the matter - literally.... http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/305454.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on June 29, 2018, 08:41:56 PM
      Not a find in itself, but illustrative of one of the most serious problems in Egyptology - antiquities smuggling. Over the past decade, Egypt has managed to retrieve stolen and smuggled antiquities from not only Israel, but America, Austria, France, Britain, Australia, Brazil and Spain, amongst others. The smuggling trade persists, though. https://eklutdvotyzsri.dailynewssegypt.com/2018/06/25/egypt-retrieves-91-smuggled-antiquities-from-israel/
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Post by: Anchorman on July 01, 2018, 07:51:40 PM
Just when you think you know everything about the pyramids, someone goes and finds a statue. This one's of Aser - Osiris - and it shouldn't really be there. It seems to have been put in Netjerkhet (Djosser)'s incredible Step Pyramid two thousand years after the thing was built. At the time of Djoser - who built the first pyramid, which, IMHO, is far more impressive than the later Giza examples - Osiris wasn't the main deity of theafterlife. He wouldn't be top of the death pops for another tw centuries or more. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-god-statue-discovered-in-first.html#!/2018/07/the-god-statue-discovered-in-first.html
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Post by: Anchorman on July 02, 2018, 08:38:02 AM
And there's more... This time from Alexandria. It's all Greek to me. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/305971.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on July 04, 2018, 08:09:03 PM
Raise your glasses to the latest find.... http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/07/ancient-egyptian-5000-year-old-brewery.html#!/2018/07/ancient-egyptian-5000-year-old-brewery.html
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Post by: Anchorman on July 10, 2018, 09:05:31 AM
What could be an important find at Saqqara - near the fifth dynasty pyramid of Unas, a significant embalmers' workshop - a very, very rare find - and a cache of mummies and funerary equipment. From what the article says, I suspect that this find dates to a much later period - probably around 1200-800 BC or so, though the details of the find haven't been published. Still, pretty important,. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/306535.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on July 11, 2018, 02:48:36 PM
Anyone lost a city? 'Cos they've just found one..... It's all Greek to me. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/53696/Ancient-city-dating-back-to-Greco-Roman-era-uncovered-in
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Post by: Anchorman on July 14, 2018, 12:59:14 PM
A link to the latest finds from Saqqara - a mumification worksop, over thirty mummies, a gilded mask and much more - dating from the Saite period - from approx 664 Bc....for those of you Biblically inclined, just after the time of Senaccharib, when Egyptian kings employed Jewish mercenaries in the south of Egypt. The pics here are very interesting, and may ge pretty significant. http://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/#!/2018/07/new-discovery-mummification-workshop.html
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Post by: Anchorman on July 17, 2018, 04:14:07 PM
Some of the latest pics from the Saqqara finf ; https://www.history.com/news/ancient-egypt-mummies-discovery
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 19, 2018, 09:12:32 PM
The potter's wheel - Well, the one that's 4,ooo years old, anyway. A very rare finf - an example of a 'factory' dating from around the time of Snefru or Khufu, bulders of the first 'true' pyramids...but found at the very south of 'classical' Old Kingdom Egypt - Aswan. https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2018/07/archaeologists-find-ancient-pottery.html#tGsSgXriMKexgDCL.97
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Post by: Anchorman on July 27, 2018, 09:25:59 AM
 Good news and bad news. The bad news is that Zahi Hawass is in charge of this....Egyptology's political - with a small 'p', and Hawass is a very controversial figure in many circles - plagiarism, self-aggrandisement and narcissism are only three of the charges laid at his feet. The good news is that, at last, a decent survey of the area near KV 62 - Tutankhamun's tomb, is going to take place. We know of 64 designated tombs in the Valley - and a probable 65th - but we suspect there should, by rights, be two or three others which we have not, as yet found. Watch this space..... https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/40627/New-excavation-works-led-by-Zahi-Hawas-take-place-in
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 31, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
Re-excavation of a site at Beni-Hassawn, in Middle Egypt, has yielded important finds from Egypt Middle Kingdom....from about 1900 BC. Tombs of two 'nomarchs'; effectively, mayors of nomes - provinces of Egypt. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/308828/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Burial-chambers-of-two-Middle-Kingdom-officials-di.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on August 10, 2018, 08:51:06 AM
The riddle of the Sphinx. Well, not really, but it sounds good. There are literally hundreds of them dating from all eras of Egypt's history, bearing images of gods and kingss. Even the one at Giza wasn't the first one! Anyway, someone's stuck a shovel in the sand and found another one. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/55645/New-sphinx-discovered-in-Luxor
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Post by: Anchorman on August 15, 2018, 08:04:41 PM
......for mice with a craving...... https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180815105307.htm World's oldest identifiable cheese found.
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Post by: Anchorman on August 16, 2018, 09:51:59 PM
From the Beeb today: confirmation that mummification - as an artificial process - is far older than we thought. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-45175764 This finding confirms Doctor Joann Fletcher's theory that the first attempts at mummification by artificial means began before the Pharonic state itself was founded.
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Post by: Anchorman on August 27, 2018, 02:33:55 PM
Some stuff dating from the mid-late Ptolemaic period...tyombs, tombs and more tombs. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/08/ptolemaic-rock-cut-tombs-discovered-in.html#!/2018/08/ptolemaic-rock-cut-tombs-discovered-in.html
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Post by: Anchorman on September 03, 2018, 09:08:47 AM
This one's a biggie. The Nile Delta is an archaeologist's nightmare - organic remains rot in the swampy, salty conditions - but this is a major find; a Neolithic village with substantial organic remains dating from around 4100BC - a thousand years before the first united Egyptian state. Already, even at this date, it seems trade was extant - bits of pottery and stone which can only have come from Syria have been found there. http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/310709.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on September 05, 2018, 04:19:29 PM
A youtube video from Egypt'a Ministry of Antiquities showing the discovery of a tomb dating to around the twelfth dynasty at the Lisht/Dahshur necropolis. No names yet, but from what I can see, it looks like dating to the later part of the dynasty, probably to the riegn of Amenemhet III. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwqwt0YhjzQ&feature=youtu.be
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Post by: Anchorman on September 17, 2018, 06:45:10 PM
Sphinxes became symbols, both of divine protection of the king, and divine kingship, down through the Pharonic age. The earliest example represents the mother of Kafre, who himself created the 'Great Sphinx' of Giza. This latest find from Upper (Southern) Egyptdates from the Ptolemaic period, and, from its' style,probably around 250 BC https://www.egyptindependent.com/archaeological-team-at-kom-ombo-temple-unearth-sphinx-statue/
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Post by: Anchorman on September 18, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
A mummy a day makes Egyptophiles stay...... Another day, another discovery.... http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/311786/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/A-sarcophagus-with-a-mummy-uncovered-in-Late-Perio.aspxhttp://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/311786/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/A-sarcophagus-with-a-mummy-uncovered-in-Late-Perio.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on September 21, 2018, 03:54:37 PM
One of the biggest problems in Egyptology is illegal smuggling of antiquities to suit the private market. Such finds are never catalogued or documented properly, and often the context in which they were originally placed is as important as the object itself. Egypt has been trying hard, with limited resources, to recover these stolen antiquities. Here's one  repatriated - from London. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/311942/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/A-relief-of-king-Amenhotep-I-recovered-from-London.aspx
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Post by: Anchorman on September 26, 2018, 03:24:15 PM
Right through the history of Ancient Egypt, ther main centre - capital - was ant Men-Nefer (Greek; Memphis, modern Mit Rahina) Not much is left of what was a stupendus site, bordered as it was by the enormous burial centre of Sakkara. Here's the latest pics from the newest find, dating from the early Roman period. https://apnews.com/e3c67e17833542fa8d07584b3f3eb58f
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Post by: Anchorman on September 29, 2018, 10:31:48 AM
South Assasif (more properly el-Assasif) near Luxor, has proven incredibly rich in finds over the last five years - thirty or more major discoveries. The area was used for burils from around 1900-500 BC, therefore much of the history, changing artistic and religio-political thought of Upper Egypt is buried there. Here's the latest find. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/58219/Egyptian-Archeological-Mission-uncovers-2-ancient-tombs-in-Luxor
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Post by: Anchorman on October 01, 2018, 10:37:36 AM
Not a tomb, but probably more interesting to the Egyptologist. Two rock carvings, separated by a thousand years, uncovered at Aswan - the natural southern border of "Egypt proper"; one of Seti I, father of Ramesses II, the other of a Ptolemy...both classical Egyptian in style. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-10/01/c_137504563.htm
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Post by: Anchorman on October 01, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
The tomb of the Keeper of Secrets has bee foud. NO, not some pyramidiot's fantasy, or even a masonic precursor, but just one of the titles born by an officialof the fifth dynasty. The discovery was announced today. Sorry, Dan Brown devotees. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/10/czech-archaeologists-discover-keeper-of.html#!/2018/10/czech-archaeologists-discover-keeper-of.html
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Post by: Anchorman on October 05, 2018, 08:50:50 AM
A nice report on the latest find at Abusir; that previously announced dyn V tomb. https://cegu.ff.cuni.cz/en/2018/10/02/the-discovery-of-the-tomb-of-priest-kaires/
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Post by: Anchorman on October 12, 2018, 03:58:47 PM
Another day, another find: This one's significant. It dates to the dawn of the New Kingdom, when very powerful ladies, such as Tetisheri, Ahmes Nefertari, and Ahotep,  guided, sometimes even led, the armies of Lower Egypt against the occupying Hyksos, and eventually helped craft a united kingdom after nurturing three generations of "warrior kings!". It shows the vital importance of powerful women in this period; https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/10/egyptian-archaeologist-discover-stela.html?view=magazine#!/2018/10/egyptian-archaeologist-discover-stela.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 26, 2018, 01:59:44 PM
Finally, Heliopolis is getting its' day in the sun. (See wot I did there). This was once the religious capital of Egypt for over three thousand years, but has all but vanished under modern Cairo. However, more and more clues as to the vast, imposing sight it must have been in its' heyday are turning up; this time a base for a pavillion or temple shrine of Ramesses II has been uncovered. Yes, yet another Ramesses II monument.... https://www.heritagedaily.com/2018/10/booth-of-ramses-ii-discovered-by-egyptian-archaeologists/122017?fbclid=IwAR0A_9z-J0hSmK7L6-eqM4qCtuwFneLMsBJN7y8Oqs6bmp8YRLizeu1_uPg
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 01, 2018, 09:19:11 AM
For any pyramidiots out there wh still think it was aliens wot did it..... A new report to depress you. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/10/discovered-how-ancient-egyptians-moved.html#!/2018/10/discovered-how-ancient-egyptians-moved.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 10, 2018, 10:50:00 PM
It's a bug's...er....death. A spectacular fifth dynasty tomb, re-used for later mummified animals around 600-4-- BC, including scarab beetles! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-egypt-archaeology-discovery/ancient-egyptian-tombs-yield-rare-find-of-mummified-scarab-beetles-idUSKCN1NF0KY?fbclid=IwAR2hS0XFCN-84mcCxyPJbuGVStiS9WGZMB2cKLBzsxUKtaoku9964xvHquo
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 16, 2018, 09:22:38 AM
A rather patheticdiscovery unvieled this time; an almost unique female mummy....who died in pregnancy. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/11/3500-year-burial-of-pregnant-woman.html?m=1#!/2018/11/3500-year-burial-of-pregnant-woman.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 24, 2018, 02:30:01 PM
 Egypt: ther gift that keepsbon giving. This time, an example of recycling, Egyptian style. A rather important tomb, dating to the start of Egypt's 'golden age', the eighteenth dynasty, discovered recently...revealing some later twenty fifth and twenty sixth dynisty intact intrusive burials. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/11/breaking-news-3000-year-tomb-contains.html#!/201 8/11/breaking-news-3000-year-tomb-contains.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 27, 2018, 02:54:35 PM
Tombs are like buses. You wait for one for ages, and then.... Oh, well, another day, anot https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/11/several-mummies-discovered-by-egyptian.html?view=magazine&fbclid=IwAR2j2dS4qADb3pKtyLgG2UrfYbp9N1w15uIlWYcVAL3DAd0feAO_dbcROjI#!/2018/11/several-mummies-discovered-by-egyptian.html her announcement....
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 29, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
Another day, anotherannouncement. Thistime, Giza...near the pyramid plateau,eight superbly preservedLate Period cartonagesarcophagiwith intact mummies. From thebrilliant images, they look likevery late Egyptian specimens, just before the time ofAlexander the Great. I'dsay around 400 BC. https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2018/11/eight-limestone-sarcophagi-with-mummies.html#PpAKG256iQ3xBIj7.97
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 07, 2018, 10:57:11 AM
A rare find dating from Egypt's Middle Kingdom - the so-called 'classical' period, dynasties 11-13; a robbed tomb, probably from the time of the first king of dyn XII, Amenemhet I. https://luxortimesmagazine.blogspot.com/2018/12/middle-kingdom-burial-shaft-discovered.html#!/2018/12/middle-kingdom-burial-shaft-discovered.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: King Oberon on December 07, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
Cool thread AM, love archaeological stuff and like this site:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/general  :)

If the story grabs my attention i look it up on a more.. scientific site!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 07, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
Cool thread AM, love archaeological stuff and like this site:

https://www.ancient-origins.net/general  :) 

If the story grabs my attention i look it up on a more.. scientific site!
   

Cheers, KO.
I've been hooked on the subject since I was a young 'un, and things have got a lot worse since then.....
Finally got my degree a couple of years ago, and now there's no hope for me.
I don't know if you haunt Facebook, but there are a few very good groups there....as well as some  run by pyramidiots. Em Hotep BBS, Sussex Egyptology Unofficial Page, to name two of the former for starters.
Umpteen serious sites as well, such as
http://emhotep.net/
Which is run in partnership with Em Hotep BBS, and
https://osirisnet.net/e_centrale.htm
A very good Franco-English site with great pics, as well as current news.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 13, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
One of the most productive excavations in Egypt today is the ongoing work at Gebel-el-Sisila, in the south of the country, near Aswan.
A vast necropolis dating from between 1700-1000 BC has yielden many very significant tombs of high and middle ranking nobles from Egypt's New Kingdom, plus graves of mercenary soldiers from both Sudan and the Aegean employed in the pacification and 'Egyptianisation' of Nubia.
Here's the very latest discovery of an intact eighteenth dynasty burial.
https://gebelelsilsilaepigraphicsurveyproject.blogspot.com/2018/12/new-discovery-intact-mass-grave.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR39UkD8-FTIn56KW_XMSi6kyC100JWJtYkx1YqZcHuIcXP4JFdFmxcEBAQ
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 15, 2018, 12:48:43 PM
 ...And there's more.
From the reign of the fifth dynasty king Neferirkare,dating to about a century after the Great pyramid of Giza, a major find at the vast necropolis of Sakkara,south of modern Cairo.
A 'wah' priest's burial, and, from what the excavator's report, in superb condition, still to be fully  explored, but probably intact.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/320140.aspx?fbclid=IwAR152A_af--yADcuCySPme8OuHuIT5KwxK6ZaQkyDFERu_GJO82IvL47MIE

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 17, 2018, 09:08:06 AM
      Here's some footage of the newly discovered dyn V tomb at Saqqara, with great pics of the wall decoration, still  in superb condition after four thousand years. Media reports of pharaoh's statues are wrong....statues were of the tomb owner and his family. No nobles were buried with royal statuary at this time; though the names of Neferirkare, third of the dyn V 'sun kings' do appear in the tomb, along with a couple of mentions of 'the Aten' as an aspect of the  Sun....eight centuries before the 'Aten heresy' at the end of the eighteenth dynasty. http://luxortimes.com/2018/12/exclusive-video-inside-the-newly-discovered-tomb-in-sakkara/?fbclid=IwAR2IYBgNfkNcGg-BVr6iXXmbf7P1xvMjv5A6J-LBJfWfdabnzfHQtQO7_eM
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 17, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Soup with that human touch? https://www.livescience.com/64321-waterlogged-mass-grave-egypt.html?fbclid=IwAR3xjPLExlUvHaZECsYfSYrW7Veepx66WuIWAERrIJKrutL2nnZHsGbHC1s
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 21, 2018, 09:26:45 AM
 The name's the thing. Sometimes the really important archaeology isn't the bling in the tomb...and this is a prime example. Kom Ombo was long recognised as an  important settlement in Upper (Southern) Egypt in the time of the New Kingdom. Now excavations are starting to show that it was probably the second city of Egypt in the time of the Old Kingdom as well Seal impressions ov various Fifth dynasty kings, including  the 'sun kings' Sahure and Neferirkare, have been found in large quantities. Seal impressions of the latter were, until this find, pretty rare. . http://luxortimes.com/2018/12/old-kingdoms-kings-names-discovered-in-kom-ombo/?fbclid=IwAR1Qf7QQqZf0xUwNFIIGYvNsqrfaCEbGcxH5BgcRvwux3tAkaBTmo2pOaPQ
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: King Oberon on December 21, 2018, 11:28:11 AM
Been watching Tony Robinson in Egyptian Tomb Hunting on Channel 5 (yes it's a legitimate channel!!)

It's a good watch.  :)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 21, 2018, 12:06:12 PM
Been watching Tony Robinson in Egyptian Tomb Hunting on Channel 5 (yes it's a legitimate channel!!)

It's a good watch.  :)
   





Yep.Tony's enthusiasm came through in bucket loads.
When archaeologists find a few fragments of the remains of  a hut here, they enthuse for weeks.
In Egypt, the problem is trying to find time to document the continuing avalanche of new finds.
Gebel-el-Sisila is an incredible dig, and seems to be one that might just last for decades.
The mud soup through which Tony swam seems to be pretty significant, though, but might have to wait a few more months till funds for more powerful pumps become available in order to get to the second, as yet unexplored  chamber of what is a unique New Kingdom tomb.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: King Oberon on December 21, 2018, 12:31:04 PM
When they said pumps i thought they would be bring out the high tech jobs, not the locals turning up with something as reliable as my lawn mower!! :)

Damn I was dying to see what was ... beyond the door!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 21, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
When they said pumps i thought they would be bring out the high tech jobs, not the locals turning up with something as reliable as my lawn mower!! :)

Damn I was dying to see what was ... beyond the door!
     


So much for the dry sands of Egypt, then.
Anyhoo, here's the site for the updates from the el-Sisila dig.

http://gebelelsilsilaepigraphicsurveyproject.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: King Oberon on December 21, 2018, 02:50:43 PM
Damn I.T.s filter!

Thanks AM i'll check it out when I get home.  :)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 31, 2018, 01:37:30 PM
It's been a bumper year for finds - though a rough estimate reveals that less than a third of the archaeology in Egypt has as yet been found. Anyway, here's a top ten of the finds of 2018....but I could have posted a top fifty.... http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/26129.aspx?fbclid=IwAR15BIEht9ZHjK6YtuIdnT_DJTKdt34Ara_7cukJhoe_66vQnRh81EBtUfY
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 14, 2019, 10:43:40 AM
 .....Well, not Egypt - Spain! Museums are getting round to  round to using modern tech to examine their exhibits,and sometimes surprises turn up. Here's one....the positive ID of an eye doctor who served Ptolemy XII, dyn 31....Cleopatra VII's dad. https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2019/01/madrid-mummy-found-to-be-ptolemy-iis.html#Q8ttkgw5sidKQfI7.97
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 14, 2019, 02:58:25 PM
 And there's more. This time, a  story from Saudi which doesn't involve bombs, guns or (modern) religion.... Evidence of Egyptian activity in the Arabian peninsula in the time of Ramesses III; presumably a trade expedition or a tax gathering raid on the  frankincense and myrrh growing area at the time. There's a mistake in the article, though; Ramesses III was not the son of Ramesses II. There was no family relationship, and the two kings rules are separated by fifty years. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/63386/Hieroglyphic-inscriptions-discovered-in-Saudi-Arabia
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 15, 2019, 03:18:02 PM
  Anotherday, another find....Roman period http://luxortimes.com/2019/01/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-two-tomb-in-dakhla-oasis/?fbclid=IwAR1N4jtqDZV4ncaQ-c-TCKM-7Xk0nnB4zdCqh6hSz4AcM63_hVFZCtq-u_Y
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on January 16, 2019, 08:25:59 AM
anchorman

I hadn't clicked on this topic for ages, so have just enjoyed a most interesting catch-up readof several pages. Thank you.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 16, 2019, 09:00:47 AM
anchorman

I hadn't clicked on this topic for ages, so have just enjoyed a most interesting catch-up readof several pages. Thank you.
   




Thanks, Susan.
All those finds can be a real pain, though.  I'm writing a book that no-one with any sense will ever read, about four years...four out of four thousand ....in Egyptian history.
The trouble is, I've had to re-write bits of it more
 than once in the last few months because some blasted so-and-so keeps digging up morenew finds whichshed new light on those four blassted years.
Sometimes I wish I'd taken up flower arranging instead.... ;)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on January 16, 2019, 09:24:06 AM
:) all very interesting, though! I first became interested when my mother, having more time to herself now that all four of us were at school all day, decided to educate herself more. She went to the Library and asked the Librarians where she should start. They recommended reading about Tutankhamen's tomb and I, being a reader of anything with words on, read it too! Also, my mother was enthusiastic about what she was reading.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 16, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
:) all very interesting, though! I first became interested when my mother, having more time to herself now that all four of us were at school all day, decided to educate herself more. She went to the Library and asked the Librarians where she should start. They recommended reading about Tutankhamen's tomb and I, being a reader of anything with words on, read it too! Also, my mother was enthusiastic about what she was reading.
   




I blame my primary school teacher.
As ten year olds, our class was deemed able to choose personal projects to pursue.
Given the date - 1970 - I chose space flight.  My teacher - still a close personal friend - suggested I choose something  different....so I chose Egypt, because that hellish film, "The Egyptians", a Hollywood sword-and-sandal hokum, had just been on the telly.
The rest was, as they say, history.
I was hooked...and by the time I was in first year secondary school, I'd taught myself rudimentary hieroglyphs.
At that time, I could use a bog standard magnifying glass - though nowadays my sight's a lot worse, and I use a Humanware explore 5 handheld electronic job for outdoors, and a prodigy desktop electronic magnifier for indoor reading.

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Owlswing on January 16, 2019, 01:58:13 PM

     Here's some footage of the newly discovered dyn V tomb at Saqqara, with great pics of the wall decoration, still  [b]in superb condition after four thousand years[/b][/u]. Media reports of pharaoh's statues are wrong....statues were of the tomb owner and his family. No nobles were buried with royal statuary at this time; though the names of Neferirkare, third of the dyn V 'sun kings' do appear in the tomb, along with a couple of mentions of 'the Aten' as an aspect of the  Sun....eight centuries before the 'Aten heresy' at the end of the eighteenth dynasty. http://luxortimes.com/2018/12/exclusive-video-inside-the-newly-discovered-tomb-in-sakkara/?fbclid=IwAR2IYBgNfkNcGg-BVr6iXXmbf7P1xvMjv5A6J-LBJfWfdabnzfHQtQO7_eM


Oh, just a little while after God created the universe then . . . !
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 16, 2019, 02:49:12 PM
Oh, just a little while after God created the universe then . . . !
     





 Ah....
That's usher-ind  a whole new topic....
(seewotIdidthere?)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 21, 2019, 07:31:27 PM
....Another week, another find..... This time from Aswan, the southern 'frontier town' in the third millennium BC. http://see.news/six-tombs-dating-back-to-old-kingdom-discovered-in-aswan/?fbclid=IwAR32wI6yI-YSYIiRURbnzfzTeTWK-zqn9gS27wA-qtOEq-j2FGQRAUM7dzo
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 24, 2019, 11:05:50 AM
      Another day, another announcement. This time, a double whammy, significant finds dating to two of the more obscure periods of history. The earlier dates to the Badarian period, just before the formation of what would become 'Lower Egypt', and eventually part of the 'two lands', from around 3200 BC. The later dates from the Second Intermediate period, when, for around a century, Lower Egypt was ruled by a set of rival dynasts collectively known as the Hyksos. The distinctly Semitic style of pottery shows the Canaanite origins of the site. The Hyksos were eventually expelled from the Delta by Ahmose I, founder of the eighteenth dynasty. http://luxortimes.com/2019/01/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-5000-year-old-burials/?fbclid=IwAR18GkiSAv6j6wkn79XYGPyh0_x5HQ5gacuWEFGUcopg2bL7CxV1u1hYMzY
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 28, 2019, 11:17:03 AM
I can just see the headlines.....
"Plonk from the pyramids".......
OK, anachronistic, but snappy.

http://luxortimes.com/2019/01/2000-year-old-winery-discovered-in-delta/?fbclid=IwAR0s51bN7aY4yN_T1m2X3nEBdmIc4qPb7d1hcN-m8UoOzJObD5fawdrIF8w
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 29, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
.....another day, anotherr discovery. I can remember someone telling me, as I first studied Eyptology, that Egypt was 'dug out'. That was in 1980. This year - 2019 - there have been at least five significant finds already... here's the latest.... http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/63937/Exclusive-to-Egypt-Today-A-cemetery-housing-40-mummies-uncovered?fbclid=IwAR3rz0VXhn6Uj1zARvcLLZArEj9mQufT7t4RSL6TxQsQXL4UvWJg6ESRmcM
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 02, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
 Knee deep in mummies.
The latest discoveries from a rich necropolis dating from c100BC-400AD.
http://see.news/new-archeological-discovery-in-minia-announced/?fbclid=IwAR3zX0FAflhjHCl-Dc7a6zY0sGQIVb8QbgHUL8qpRRVbfNjz-ll33dqKFKM
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 02, 2019, 02:10:13 PM
 And here's a video, taken this morning, from the new find;
http://luxortimes.com/2019/02/exclusive-video-the-mummies-discovered-by-mini-university/?fbclid=IwAR16f3UIDK6UwfNExHixVbwvn0V-sJelJ1kB4nP9yJpGRAcIHe0ORyO98tQ
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 04, 2019, 02:50:10 PM
     "Honest, guv, we wuz only doin' a bit of DIY....."
WWhat happens when you do a liitle building without planning permission?
You stumble across a tomb full of Greco-Roman mummies, that's what.
And then the old Bill get involved.   
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/324949.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1U51bHy21FLI1bCs_kb_Ho7-LJyfrRx_6tU8BCZA585y0bFC-eL-KdTsw
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 04, 2019, 04:27:32 PM
      Not a find, more a clearance.
One of the biggest villains in Egyptology was the American Theodore M Davies...who wrecked more sites and ransacked more pristine tombs than most tourists have ever seen. His 'excavation' of the controversial KV 55 has created more controversy than any other dig in Egypt; his 'donation' of items to friends and families, and museums, without recording or researching them is still creating problems today - and sometimes answering questions.
Here's a blog from the Valley of the Kings illustrating the work being undertaken even now to try to redress the balance - and discover a few gems Davies either missed or discarded.

https://egyptcentrecollectionblog.blogspot.com/2019/02/gold-from-valley-of-kings.html?fbclid=IwAR18tvY2RtnIsmEBgSEXocdf8E4aSP8P3G9AQr78tyIFK30qPonMQlnwHho
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 11, 2019, 10:32:48 AM
It's not often a new 'mastaba' burial is unearthed.
'Mastaba' is the Arabic word for bench, as thisdescribes the superstructure of the tomb. Mastabas were used from predynastic times to the dawning of the pyramid age, invariably for royal or very high ranking personages.
This ine seems to be for a teenager, whose position at burial suggests a date earlier than the traditional form of burial, but still shows some efforts at mummifacation.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/02/4500-year-old-burial-of-a-teenager-discovered/?fbclid=IwAR0U2l4DDg7DKCkPalQqfQlfUbOF_SkV8segweGDXM1cj7XFae4RMSN8SQY
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 12, 2019, 09:07:15 AM
 Egyptology's not just about getting yourself knee deep in mummies or falling into tombs.
Here's a link to a friend of mine, Jan Picton' who is working at the Malquatta project (Yes, there are several ways to spell it...)
The Malquatta is the modern name for a massive palace compound built by Amenhotep III  around 1360, mainly of mud brick, so it's a wreck of a site...but massive amounts of rubbish and deposits are left to show us what it would have been like in the thirty years it was in use.
There are tantalising clues as to trade with the Agean, maybe even with China, and the story of the Amarna period kings who used the place.
This blog gives an insight into the painstaking work at the site.

https://imalqata.wordpress.com/2019/02/11/tracking-pot-designs/?fbclid=IwAR1z2pI3UTmqz2oDvoOPmQj7PuEutoPiP23saMz1m0OEJaaRQO5OGuQeSyU

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 13, 2019, 10:41:05 AM
Another day, another find.
This time, the Greco-Roman equivalent of John Brown's shipyard on the Clyde.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/02/roman-shipyard-discovered-in-egypt/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 17, 2019, 09:47:10 PM
 OK....forget the hyperbole - Gabolde is a superb Egyptologist and certainly wouldn't use those words; but his finding of Neferneferuaten as the owner of Tutankhamun's sarcophagus confirms what most of us  suspect that Akhenaten's wife ruled as king and that most of her funerary equipment was used for Tutankhamun's very irregular burial.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1087721/egypt-mystery-solved-archaeologist-hidden-secret-tutankhamun-tomb-spt?fbclid=IwAR1aEg03xFRN0qQ_0V6WKNKTptkMn_X4TH
CIJTki-vjd3lFClwy8UKmMjSU
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 27, 2019, 09:58:08 AM
It's been a whole week since a discovery was announced.
Worry not....
This time, from the incredible Gebel-el Sisila dig zone, a 'builders' yard' from the New Kingdom, with some unfinished work in progress - showing sculptural methodology.
This one's not gold or mummy filled stuff, but it is nonetheless very important.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/326232.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2wVMTWenalF4nhvJ-EBYxwHDkziacn-8L5GcqKB7Q5hpj8mWD8eaCt_DI
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 07, 2019, 02:38:43 PM
 Have a shuftie at this link.
It isn't a new discovery, but it has just been re-opened to the public.
There has been no restoration to the colours or paintwork - what's there is the way the craftsmen left it, over five thousand years ago.
The tomb owner was a very high ranking official at the court of the sixth dynasty, around two centuries after the pyramids of Giza were built, and nine centuries before Tutankhamun.
Yes, I know - the mind boggles at the timeline.
Anyhow, Mehu had great power and responsibilities equivalent to the present day combined power of a UK chancellor of the exchequer and home secretary combined, so his king(s) - he server under two successive monarchs -  splashed out on a lavish monument for him.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4437704/4000-year-old-tomb-egypt/

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on March 07, 2019, 03:04:53 PM
Wow
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 18, 2019, 02:43:54 PM
      OK, I couldn't not share this one....any anchor floats my boat -or not.
Seriously, though, this is just the latest in a massive haul of finds from the sea off the Delta...which subsided as a result of a massive earthquake in Ptolemaic times, and a second around the time of the Roman Emperor Augustus. The sea came in covering harbours,ships, towns, temples and cities in sand, preserving them in almost perfect condition - and giving us material dating from c. 2000 BC -30 AD to play with.


http://luxortimes.com/2019/03/2000-year-old-anchors-discovered-in-the-mediterranean-waters-near-alexandria/?fbclid=IwAR0cmQS4FD8dqFnCH4TD9BM4aGwi34UEuo6Ai
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Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on March 30, 2019, 10:23:12 AM
 Abydos was important in Egypt from earliest times.
Located near Nekhen (Heirakonpolis, it was the earliest site of royal power in pre dynastic and early dynastic times,and hosted the burials of Egypt's earliest kings.
As the cult of Osiris became the main gateway to the afterlife,around eighty years after the 'great pyramid' was built, Abydos became the cult centre for Osiris and remained so until Roman times.
There's superb temple built by Seti I and his son, Ramesses II stands in splendour, with jaw-dropping wall carvings and historically vital inscriptions, there - and now a new temple/palace compound of Ramesses II has been found - with the remnant of superb decoration indicating that it was, for a time, a royal residence.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/329050/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/New-ttemple-palace-discovered-at-Ramses-IIs-temple-.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2e0Lvn9Q_tzaLteYArlU3T8YfVQWGqv4Y_PDjYL5pyemxtaxHOBt2E7VQ.
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Post by: Anchorman on April 02, 2019, 09:40:47 AM
       ....and another, and another....
This time, rather rare finds, probably dating to the end of the first Intermediate Period and start of the Eleventh dynasty.
Yes, the preservation is poor, but nevertheless, the fact that the burial was found in situ in a rather damp area means that any sort of organic material is a bonus.

http://luxortimes.com/2019/04/anthropoid-sarcophagus-and-gold-appliques-discovered-in-4000-year-old-cemetry-north-of-cairo/?fbclid=IwAR1lZ_yjNurjw7ITgd5ow2ltPWfxA9IacHEza5NuG377E3en4kIcJNOWGsY
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Post by: Anchorman on April 03, 2019, 09:43:28 AM
 Another day, another announcement.
This time, from the massive royal necropolis of south Saqqara, where kings, noble sand dignitaries from the third till eighth dynasties were buried.
A typical dyn V tomb of a high ranking noble, like most others, robbed in antiquity.
From another news feed, though,I gather that some Egyptologists are in head scratching mode,as an inscription in the tomb mentions the Aten - an aspect of the Sun, well known as a form of the solar deity Re from this time - but apparently, this example stresses the Aten as a deity separate from Re - nine centuries before the mid eighteenth dynasty kings start to promote it as a supreme deity - culminating in Akhenaten and the Amarna so-called revolution.

https://cegu.ff.cuni.cz/en/2019/04/02/discovery-of-a-unique-tomb-and-the-name-of-an-ancient-egyptian-queen-in-south-saqqara/?fbclid=IwAR2taB3CUNqItEX4Z7XZ8zpgnha11xn8a8feCs3StmrxMEsmIB7c6mVXs4I
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Post by: Anchorman on April 06, 2019, 09:57:07 AM
 Another day, another tomb.....
This time, from the Ptolemaic era - but more Egyptian in style than Greek.
The exceptional 'classical' wall painting harks back to the 'golden age' - by then receding into ancient history.
The amount of animal mummies buried with the deceased  shows the 'industrialisation' of animal votive offerings which only came to the fore after the 'humanisation' of the kings toward the fourth century BC.
Prior to that time, the king acted as intermediary to the gods...now animals took over the role - by the million.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/329501.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3uoSnlVU9_pQZpHm7Pc6J-HXpCi59WJ1a9_GVGbU5sY0ruDwlSnQP-lzM
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Post by: Anchorman on April 10, 2019, 09:15:13 AM
 This one's causing a stooshie.
Apparently, controversial 'Egyptologist' Zahi Hawass engendered even more self-publicity  by unveiling three sarcophagi containing mummies and other artefacts, on a 'live' broadcast on the Discovery channel on Sunday night.
The  mummies date from the Saite period -  around 600 BC - and this link gives good images.
That's not the issue, though.
Many Egyptologists were rightly incensed to see Hawass picking up and handling objects - despite them not being photographed and measured in situ first.
That is simply terrible archaeology.
It's not as if he wasn't aware of  GOOD archaeology...after all, he's always banging on about Howard Carter and Tutankhamun. Carter was meticulous in cataloguing, measuring and photographing each object in situ - and again in the conservation lab. This archive of photographs and data is still invaluable for modern researchers today.
But, then, that's typical Hawass.

https://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2019/04/egypt-unveils-2500-year-old-mummy-at.html#Z1H4GU5rmD60zExY.97
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Post by: Anchorman on April 12, 2019, 08:27:55 AM
 Been to the dentists recently?
This might make you think what the future archaeologists will make of your lifestyle.
Bio-archaeology is a complex, yet valuable resource when dealing with the ancient dead...and this article shows how meticulous research on otherwise nondescript middle ranking noble remains from the First Intermediate Period can reveal lots more than we thought.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2019/04/11/archaeologists-discover-a-new-profession-in-an-ancient-egyptian-womans-teeth/?fbclid=IwAR1DtKIRJtl-BYAZ2ut5bUZY_cGIPtl9HcCLI0tj0jlN-pu4HMFujvCJ_0E#6a8123c93098
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Post by: Littleroses on April 12, 2019, 08:36:54 AM
Been to the dentists recently?
This might make you think what the future archaeologists will make of your lifestyle.
Bio-archaeology is a complex, yet valuable resource when dealing with the ancient dead...and this article shows how meticulous research on otherwise nondescript middle ranking noble remains from the First Intermediate Period can reveal lots more than we thought.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2019/04/11/archaeologists-discover-a-new-profession-in-an-ancient-egyptian-womans-teeth/?fbclid=IwAR1DtKIRJtl-BYAZ2ut5bUZY_cGIPtl9HcCLI0tj0jlN-pu4HMFujvCJ_0E#6a8123c93098


I had my 6 monthly dental check up on Wednesday. The sadistic dentist I had as a young child would have not been out of place all those millennia ago! :o
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Post by: Anchorman on April 12, 2019, 08:46:22 AM

I had my 6 monthly dental check up on Wednesday. The sadistic dentist I had as a young child would have not been out of place all those millennia ago! :o
     
What gives you the idea that medics in Egypt were regarded as 'sadist'?
We have several tombs from Saqqara, Memphis, El-Kab, Luxor, etc, which belonged to the equivalent of doctors - tombs gifted by the state - dating from 2900 BC -700 BC; showing the high regard the state had for such people.
Meanwhile, here's a scholarly article from the British Dental Association.
https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2009.355
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Post by: Anchorman on April 12, 2019, 08:50:29 AM
For an overview of tombs created for dentists, go to https://news.softpedia.com/news/Dentists-039-Tombs-from-Ancient-Egypt-39079.shtml
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Post by: Littleroses on April 12, 2019, 09:05:51 AM
     
What gives you the idea that medics in Egypt were regarded as 'sadist'?
We have several tombs from Saqqara, Memphis, El-Kab, Luxor, etc, which belonged to the equivalent of doctors - tombs gifted by the state - dating from 2900 BC -700 BC; showing the high regard the state had for such people.
Meanwhile, here's a scholarly article from the British Dental Association.
https://www.nature.com/articles/sj.bdj.2009.355


They didn't have the use of painkillers in those days. Of course our dentist did but chose not to use them! >:(
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Post by: Anchorman on April 12, 2019, 10:02:52 AM
They didn't have the use of painkillers in those days. Of course our dentist did but chose not to use them! >:(
I think you'll find Egyptian medicine was highly sophisticated - for its time; medical tretises survive from c1800 BC. Here's a link to an overview. https://www.ancient-egypt-online.com/ancient-egyptian-medicine.html
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Post by: Anchorman on April 18, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
Another day, another tomb. This time, from the massive Dra abul -el Naga necropolis near Luxor; the site of the burials of Dyn XV II ruler, and later nobles and minor royals of the New Kingdom. This seems a spectacular find, and from magnifying the images, I'd suggest the mid eighteenth dynasty as a date for the occupant. The images are spectacular. http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/68489/Egypt-announces-tomb-discovery-at-Luxor%E2%80%99s-Draa-Abul-Naga-necropolis?fbclid=IwAR3VPUGwZPnX1rIFbR9FgD2p6KTivBZdE89QwZbt0WsLJq-Rm0yJqVYFZeE
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Post by: Anchorman on April 18, 2019, 10:39:46 PM
....and a video of the latest find from dra abu el-naga -with typical Eyptian hyperbole. Mind you, they've got something to crowabout; thisseemsto be the first in aseries of spectacular tombs built for very high ranking semi-royal officials of the seventeenth and eighteenth dynasties. http://luxortimes.com/2019/04/exclusive-video-ancient-egyptian-mayors-tomb-discovered-in-luxor/?fbclid=IwAR3uwUVpiUsrNSoM3ZbnHJW6qBdCDIQta-hzQ-UkUhLJDkrxfWrOH4gT2dg
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Post by: Anchorman on April 23, 2019, 10:29:23 PM
  Another day, another tomb.
This time, a newdiscovery from Aswan,in the south, dating from the Greco-Roman era.
Stillworth a look,though.

http://luxortimes.com/2019/04/italian-archaeologists-discover-graeco-roman-rock-cut-tomb-in-aswan/
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Post by: Anchorman on April 26, 2019, 08:41:44 AM
 Definitely not in Egypt...but Aussie!
Look what the digger dug up in the war.....
She'll be right!

Seriously, this an example of antiquities bought by well meaning tourists and soldiers in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.
Ye, they are preserved....but without research and provenance,they're just baubles in a case.
Hundreds of local museums and probably dozens of attics contain similar forgotten treasures.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/australia/anzacs-egyptian-treasure-trove-unearthed-in-sydney.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2exbHJLrtRQcRFVovCWmmcRw8-ccWXP4FYD6G7etVukMTy6rEhwtcsRGI
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 04, 2019, 03:09:17 PM
Not a single tomb.... Lots of 'em. A whole new cemetary, dating from the mid - late Olk Kingdom, at the Giza Plateau...an area thought to have been 'dug out' ages ago. This find looks to be keeping the experts busy for a long while to come. http://luxortimes.com/2019/05/old-kingdom-cemetery-discovered-in-giza%e2%80%8f/?fbclid=IwAR1sD3pq-tMsT9PLfdL4mGQtNpaDES0-QjBsGyJM9OLRDr_stooI-hRljKE
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on May 05, 2019, 03:53:33 PM
Been to the dentists recently?
This might make you think what the future archaeologists will make of your lifestyle.
Bio-archaeology is a complex, yet valuable resource when dealing with the ancient dead...and this article shows how meticulous research on otherwise nondescript middle ranking noble remains from the First Intermediate Period can reveal lots more than we thought.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2019/04/11/archaeologists-discover-a-new-profession-in-an-ancient-egyptian-womans-teeth/?fbclid=IwAR1DtKIRJtl-BYAZ2ut5bUZY_cGIPtl9HcCLI0tj0jlN-pu4HMFujvCJ_0E#6a8123c93098
catching up on reading your posts here - always interesting.

Re bones:| I had an audio book a while ago about the archaeology of bones and how new techniques for detecting traces of all sorts of stuff are adding information to the records.

On the 'Mysteries' board of the graham Hancock forum, today there is yet another new poster claiming that he has worked out - and why don't all the archaeologists of the world flock to his doorstep?!!! - that it was a previous, and of course, lost - civilisation which built the pyramides. :D
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Post by: Anchorman on May 05, 2019, 05:03:19 PM
catching up on reading your posts here - always interesting. Re bones:| I had an audio book a while ago about the archaeology of bones and how new techniques for detecting traces of all sorts of stuff are adding information to the records. On the 'Mysteries' board of the graham Hancock forum, today there is yet another new poster claiming that he has worked out - and why don't all the archaeologists of the world flock to his doorstep?!!! - that it was a previous, and of course, lost - civilisation which built the pyramides. :D
Aaaaaargh! You just HAD to mention Hancock....and I was having such  a nice day, Susan! I think I've had nightmares about his 'precession' gibberish. Egypt seems to attract the, er, less stable individuals, whether to spout crackpot theories like von Danekin or  the aforementioned Hancock, or pseudo religious twaddle such as Smythe,Russell or Smith. Getting back to the bones bit. I'm still blown away with the real science which means that we can identify unidentified mummies through DNA sequencing, and create a very accurate family tree for individuals who lived thirty-three hundred years ago.
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Post by: Anchorman on May 08, 2019, 02:37:41 PM
 Before Egypt was Egypt. Latest finds show pre dynastic proto-hieroglyphic inscriptions dating to around 3300-3200 BC, before the unification of Egypt. Pretty significant is the Horus  falcon sign - denoting the development of the Horus cult and associating it with kingship 150 years before the recognisable iconography of Pharonic times. http://luxortimes.com/2019/05/egyptian-archaeologists-discover-neolithic-royal-inscriptions-in-aswan/?fbclid=IwAR2QNcz5afY7r1rrvtLwefQ6gjSia3u-TvXL88nMVFpxaGSzxTFosopYrNE
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Post by: Anchorman on May 11, 2019, 10:02:25 AM
     This is popping up over a few Egyptology sites...and you can bet the conspiracy nuts, curse addicts and pyramidiots are getting ready for action.
It confirms what we already knew; that the area in which Tutankhamun's tomb is located in the King's valley has several as yet uninvestigated anomalies.
Couple that with two digs in the 'Western Valley' - a run off from the main Valley, one of which is proving tantalisingly significant,as it is very near the place where Tutankhamun started building the tomb which was meant for him, but ended up being used by his successor, and the place will be ringing with the sounds of shovels shortly.

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/researchers-discover-anomalies-in-egypt-s-valley-of-the-kings?fbclid=IwAR3hGwUlOD3ascWSUqy6oeGwtYsfO7s_boBRkco_jagcop8L4y6bBVGoBuw
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on May 11, 2019, 05:33:46 PM
Anchorman, ever wondered that you might be talking to yourself?   ;)
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Post by: Nearly Sane on May 11, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
Anchorman, ever wondered that you might be talking to yourself?   ;)
He isn't
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on May 11, 2019, 07:17:44 PM
He isn't
oh yes he is ….
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 11, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
Anchorman, ever wondered that you might be talking to yourself?   ;)
   


Well, the fact that you responded would suggest otherwise.
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Post by: Anchorman on May 14, 2019, 02:00:24 PM
 A fortress dating to the Saite period - dyn XXVI, around the time of the Biblical Babylonian exile, announced yesterday.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/05/ancient-egyptian-military-fortress-discovered-in-north-sinai/?fbclid=IwAR01wyLz5Icu-seMi5wnWpdnWZKevehPgFMGrD79_MKpKRxkN0TH-GzatNY
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Post by: Anchorman on May 31, 2019, 06:56:31 PM
 Greek stuff.
Dating from around the time of Ptolemy IX, right through the era of Cleopatra VII and Roman Egypt, this complex excavation is yielding quite a few Greco-Roman finds.
http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/71025/New-discoveries-made-in-Tuna-el-Gebel-area?fbclid=IwAR2F4V-go5JWUUZ2GixWqrTyJ0nzxJYBuNvkWsFqi3Q6z_NgW2mAPSW8pqo
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Post by: Anchorman on June 13, 2019, 09:06:44 AM
 Not a find, but a controversy.
The stushie over the Elgin marbles can be seen as unique - it isn't. Multiply it with the plundering of antiquities from Egypt by rich tourists of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and there's always a controversy on the go -  the last on these  shores being the infamous sale of the unique statue of Sekhemka.
This time, it's an auction  of a controversial bust of Tutankhamun.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/335997/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-calls-on-Christies-auction-house-in-London-t.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1Ra5wGD0PjaPuskHbY6uedhQDVTW5NiVXO61wxKBQ0W
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Post by: Anchorman on July 06, 2019, 11:35:26 AM
  Egyptologists  are divided  on this. Some say this should not be on public auction; others doubt the previous owner's  method of obtaining it -  still others doubt its' authenticity.
For my part, I think it IS authentic,and pictures the king, probably as either the god Khonsu or Amun; several statues of Amun from Karnak and Luxor  have the image of Tutankhamun as the deity's representative.
I think this should have returned to Karnak, given the dubious nature of its' acquisition.
     However, once again, this article shines a light on the modern illegal export of Egyptian antiquities which are looted from their original site without proper research.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48865336
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 11:06:46 AM
 Here we go again....
Latest speculations on yet more scans supposedly revealing hidden chambers  in the tomb of Tutankhamun, and what they contain.
Chambers, they might be, but who, if anyone, is there, I don't know.
I very much doubt it to be 'king' Nefertiti; I'm almost sure we have her -  the mummy labelled KV35YL,who, by DNA, seems to have been Tutankhamun's mother, and either sister, or, more likely, given the convoluted family tree, first cousin of Tutankhamun's father, Akhenaten.
So: What lies beneath - or beyond?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12247394&fbclid=IwAR3qFCUDGzmveu5H-FF6cA4fOOLGmyc2vxVC
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Post by: Nearly Sane on July 08, 2019, 11:27:34 AM
Still looks very unclear as to the situation. Lots of speculation for obvious reasons but I suspect this will run for some time.
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 01:21:19 PM
Still looks very unclear as to the situation. Lots of speculation for obvious reasons but I suspect this will run for some time.
   

The Egyptian government will milk the situation for all its' worth; it brings in tourists to Luxor and the Valley of the Kings while the new Grand Egyptian Museum is being made ready, and the  Cairo museum reorganised.
Couple  that with the substantial Tutankhamun exhibition now touring the world (it reaches London in November) in an effort to raise more cash for the GEM, and the more delays there are, the better, as far as they are concerned.
They'll have to close KV 62 - Tutankhamun's tomb - to the public in order to investigate these anomalies; the best time for this would be the cooler times - when tourism is at its' height.
I can't see the attraction of the tomb myself; there are only the three rather crudely painted walls in the burial chamber to see....tourists ignore the  superbly decorated next door tomb of Ra messes VI which is plastered floor to ceiling of each chamber with superbly crafted paintings.

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Post by: Blokey McBlokeface on July 08, 2019, 01:35:06 PM
Not a find, but a controversy.
The stushie over the Elgin marbles can be seen as unique - it isn't. Multiply it with the plundering of antiquities from Egypt by rich tourists of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, and there's always a controversy on the go -  the last on these  shores being the infamous sale of the unique statue of Sekhemka.
This time, it's an auction  of a controversial bust of Tutankhamun.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/335997/Egypt/Politics-/Egypt-calls-on-Christies-auction-house-in-London-t.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1Ra5wGD0PjaPuskHbY6uedhQDVTW5NiVXO61wxKBQ0W
EeyxzIuTHBsR4A
As I understand it, the Elgin marbles were not "plundered": they were bought by Lord Elgin from the Greek government of the day. You might argue that the Greek government should'nt've sold them, but the fact is that they did, so if Greece wants them back, they should pay us what Lord Elgin paid, adjusted for inflation.
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 01:55:04 PM
As I understand it, the Elgin marbles were not "plundered": they were bought by Lord Elgin from the Greek government of the day. You might argue that the Greek government should'nt've sold them, but the fact is that they did, so if Greece wants them back, they should pay us what Lord Elgin paid, adjusted for inflation.

Greece could probably afford to buy and display the marbles properly, but the same isn't true of Egypt. Even were a tenth of the legally obtained antiquities returned, Egypt could not cope with providing buildings to display them. Add on the trade in illicit items - which are still dug up and exported, without knowing where they came from, and the problem's magnifued tenfold.
An example is Psametik I (father of the 'Necho mentioned in the Bible)
We know someone has found his tomb; 'shabti' figures, a few pots and a rather fine 'ka' statue which can only have come from a tomb, belonging to him have appeared on the black market,and a dwe confiscated from America, Austria and Saudi Arabia....but we can't find the tomb; some blighter's beaten the experts to it.
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Post by: SusanDoris on July 08, 2019, 02:07:19 PM
Although I do not always read a new post here immediately, I always catch up  on all posts since my last visit, since I have been very interested in AE since I was a child and have been fortunate enough to visit Giza twice and Luxor once.

I also occasionally challenge the more way-out ideas on the GH forum!! Mostly I don't bother though, as they really do lack credibility.
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Post by: Nearly Sane on July 08, 2019, 02:16:50 PM
As I understand it, the Elgin marbles were not "plundered": they were bought by Lord Elgin from the Greek government of the day. You might argue that the Greek government should'nt've sold them, but the fact is that they did, so if Greece wants them back, they should pay us what Lord Elgin paid, adjusted for inflation.
First of all the whole idea of that is questionable, but secondly there was not a Greek govt at the time
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 02:30:34 PM
Although I do not always read a new post here immediately, I always catch up  on all posts since my last visit, since I have been very interested in AE since I was a child and have been fortunate enough to visit Giza twice and Luxor once.

I also occasionally challenge the more way-out ideas on the GH forum!! Mostly I don't bother though, as they really do lack credibility.
   



Ah!
I was debating the Sphinx with a Hancockian pyramidiot last week....said debater claimed that the Sphinx was actually a representation of an extinct  "cat-ape" which died outten thousand years before the desertification of Egypt!
(look, stop laughing....)
He was somewhat miffed when I pointed out that the Giza Sphinx, whilst the largest by a country mile, wasn't the first sphinx to be made...we have two earlier ones, one bearing the head of a King - Djedefre - and the other his wife, Hetepheres II.#
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 02:51:53 PM
 OK, Pharaohs weren't only Egyptian - and I'm not talking about the Ptolemies.
As Egyptian power declined, the client land of Kush - Nubia - long under Egyptian sway broke away around 850 BC.
From then until around the fourth century AD,a culture of Egyptian and African civilisation existed, with kings reviving the custom of pyramids long abandoned in Egypt - indeed there are hundreds more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt itself.
These kings had little influence beyond their borders - except for five rulers who conquered Egypt in the seventh century BC - the twenty fifth dynasty; 'Black Pharaohs'.
Here's a report of a dig involving divers in one of the pyramid fields; it appeared on the BBC site last week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48867830?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1rtiudZ54HHDPIRZo6Ly9F4dzJw33CdP44WtEHWimjMtMO8QiaOS0MR2k
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Post by: ippy on July 08, 2019, 04:28:23 PM
Surly a fascinating subject whichever part of Egyptology visited, I particularly enjoy the artistry of the buildings and the hieroglyphs they're so absolutely splendid, they're a delight to the eye as well as all of the other aspects involved.

Regards ippy 
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
Surly a fascinating subject whichever part of Egyptology visited, I particularly enjoy the artistry of the buildings and the hieroglyphs they're so absolutely splendid, they're a delight to the eye as well as all of the other aspects involved.

Regards ippy 
   


Yep- and not as hard to learn as you might think!
The symbols vary a bit over three millennia, but they remain in unchanged in essence.
I can still trace them reasonably well if they are  carved in smooth stone, and I have a desktop magnifier that can play around with colours as well, making it  possible to enhance them on printed  MSS, or facsimile scrolls.
The ieratic script - that's a kind of cursive hieroglyphs  - is another kettle of fish, though.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on July 08, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
On the subject of the sphinx, when I first visited Giza, in 1963 I think, the gide took us around the sphinx, walking right up close and being able to touch the layers of rock, but of course I've no idea what the situation there is at present.
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Post by: Anchorman on July 08, 2019, 06:11:45 PM
On the subject of the sphinx, when I first visited Giza, in 1963 I think, the gide took us around the sphinx, walking right up close and being able to touch the layers of rock, but of course I've no idea what the situation there is at present.
   


Hi, Susan;
You can still getup close and personal with the Sphinx. They've even put a reproduction of the famous 'Dream Stela' of Thutmose IV which he had placed between the paws when HE restored it around 1400 BC!
Giza will be the main focus for the tourists in Cairo once the new state-of-the-art Grand Egyptian  Museum -  the GEM - is up and running there, replacing the Cairo Museum...the latter will be able to show more of its' vast stores of artefacts, and give the superb Tanis treasures the prominence they deserve in the former Tutankhamun gallery.
Incidentally, the GEM will have full audio guides, large print and braille guidebooks available.

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 10, 2019, 11:13:32 PM
 Now, THAT's what I call a perm.
Definately not hair today, gone tomorrow.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ancient-egyptian-mummy-hair-unearthed-17490913?fbclid=IwAR2Lu6tTC9b1sHBOVHj3sw1xqTiIWLVJQaU2I2ETOH494OnOysYia40liTM
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Post by: Blokey McBlokeface on July 10, 2019, 11:46:19 PM
First of all the whole idea of that is questionable, but secondly there was not a Greek govt at the time
Well, I did say "as I understand it": I read that somewhere, but it may be inaccurste or misleading.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 15, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
 Lots of stuff from Dahshur, site of several Middle Kingdom pyramids, notably that of Amenemhet II, who ruled nearly seven centuries before Tutankhamun.
The finds date from his era to Roman Egypt, showing the common practice of recycling funerary material.
http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/72744/A-number-of-stone-pottery-and-wooden-coffins-were-uncovered?fbclid=IwAR2E2uhRO4xStP3Ht09_J4JEkIRXBirXjNZJt_jY1Pwe_IAppdsWDhzJfrY 
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Blokey McBlokeface on July 16, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
Now, THAT's what I call a perm.
Definately not hair today, gone tomorrow.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ancient-egyptian-mummy-hair-unearthed-17490913?fbclid=IwAR2Lu6tTC9b1sHBOVHj3sw1xqTiIWLVJQaU2I2ETOH494OnOysYia40liTM
"The Ancient Egyptians applied the serum to their hair, leaving them with perfectly preserved curls lasting over three centuries." I assume that's a mistake for "thirty centuries", since they apparently date from the first millenium BC.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 16, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
"The Ancient Egyptians applied the serum to their hair, leaving them with perfectly preserved curls lasting over three centuries." I assume that's a mistake for "thirty centuries", since they apparently date from the first millenium BC.
   
Yep; it's an error.
The Egyptians took hair seriously, both before and after they snuffed it.
Wigs were common for men and women, as most who could afford it shaved their heads in the interests of hygiene and trying to cool down.
Dyes and hair extensions were pretty common, but some recipes for dyes are pretty revolting.
One, dating from around 1500 BC involved henna, honey sap from the date palm and donkey urine.
Anyway, if you're interested, here's a blog which might make
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/ancient-egyptian-hair-and-wigs/

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on July 16, 2019, 10:43:29 AM
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind.

Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind?

I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
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Post by: Nearly Sane on July 16, 2019, 10:56:16 AM
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind.

Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind?

I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
I believe its use was as a spermicide
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 16, 2019, 11:25:09 AM
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind. Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind? I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
Probably a lot more prosaic than that, bhs. Egyptian 'medicine' was weird and wonderful, and their religion was roped in... Sobek was a deity of both war and fertility in Middle Egypt (Howzat for a contradiction). He's usually portrayed as having a crocodile head. Crocs were seen to regulate their breeding to the Nile inundation, and, Egyptian logic  made them think they could 'abstain' from sex for ten months of the year. So; a quick prayer to Sobek, some crocodile dung applied to the lady's vagina, and hopefully, she wouldn't be pregnant. OK, she might die of infection, but, hey, that's life. Mind you, the Egyptians DID have condoms....some with tiny stones or shells sewn onto the surface....er....I'm supposed not to know why.....
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on July 16, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
Thank you both - highly enlightening!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 16, 2019, 11:38:49 AM
 OK, you asked for it.
My translation of Papyrus Ebers (1(c) )


   ".....that the fruiting her be not strong, say to the lord of battles, in the morning of the river "Take my ka from me when I am with her!
Take the milk from the palm and the offering from  .......(Sobek?)
and use it in the gates....(....) and take the clothes to the river and wash them, perfume them with incense....."

The river was the Nile - the Egyptians had no word for Nile'
Presumably, this ritual took place at dawn.
"Lord of battles" was an epithet of Sobek.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on July 16, 2019, 12:52:29 PM
There is a possibility that it may have at least been partially effective.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: bluehillside Retd. on July 16, 2019, 01:21:41 PM
Anchs - indeed I did. Thank you (I think!).

NS - perhaps, but would that have been because of a chemical effect or because the local studs got within six feet and said, “dear god but you reek of crocodile poo” and rapidly withdrew) as it were)?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 24, 2019, 09:29:58 PM
 This is a good article with video link showing forensic Egyptology at its' best.
The mummy of Ramesses  III,along with more than thirty other kings and nobles of the New Kingdom, was found in one of the two 'cache tombs' nearly 120 years ago.
We've long known, through a papyrus, that a plot to put a usurper on the throe at the end of his life was uncovered, and the culprits 'dealt with'.
Now CT scans of the mummy of the king clearly indicates that he was assassinated.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1169343/egypt-pharaoh-ramses-ct-scan-queen-tiye-bettany-hughes-spt?fbclid=IwAR10SDIcpt1ES6Far8PYpEN7GYxqnqHUXjVWRSDYkkzdEK4YOpSj4LJJxv4


Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 02, 2019, 06:30:13 PM
  Getting down and dirty with the Nubiologists.
Some great pics from the pyramids.
Not the Egyptian ones, though: the Kushite ones.
From around 1000 BC, Kush - modern day Sudan - started to develop a culture based on African and Pharonic Egyptian themes, gods, writings - the lot.
In the seventh century BC, they ruled a weakened Egypt itself, the twenty-fifth dynasty.
After being expelled, the culture continued to evolve, and exist as a separate quasi-Pharonic state till the fourth century AD, building temples, tombs and royal pyramids - a custom which the Egyptians themselves had ditched around 1800 BC.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/dive-ancient-pyramid-nuri-sudan/?fbclid=IwAR2HehLomxBwCJenCdMbku3Wc7J7wZVNwX-bCXoMk_QfiiGVMgWmxiBWOB0
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 07, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
Sites are like buses; you wait for ages for one, and twenty turn up..... https://egyptindependent.com/coincidence-leads-to-discovery-of-20-archaeological-sites-in-alexandria/?fbclid=IwAR2nXsYBw6OgArE4KFUKp0x01tDEZj-L3pR58-YkLXKlSpSTzLaSVh3Yn1E
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 16, 2019, 10:01:02 AM
 Another day, another Temple. This time from the Ptolemaic era. In any other country, this would be a major find....but this is Egypt - there are umpteen such examples, and more found each year. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/74815/Ptolemaic-temple-was-uncovered-in-Sohag?fbclid=IwAR1CiBAHcMhHLkS9WYeJp1RH12MexHpYflh-2sloUEO7dsR-F1y77q5aUE8
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Post by: Anchorman on September 23, 2019, 08:37:43 AM
 This looks interesting. We've known about Egyptian tracks and 'roads' for as long as there have been Egyptologists. These normally consisted of flattened earth or impacted sand stretching from one town to another, or marked desert trade routes. Now, what looks like a very sophisticated road construcred around 1250 BC has been unearthed. By the description in the article, it equals Roman roads in its' sophistication. https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22210885/slovak-eg yptologists-discovered-ancient-transport-road.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on September 23, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
Just doing a bit of catching up - that is all very interesting

It never fails to surprise me that people think the Egyptians couldn't possibly have built what they did - it must have been an unknown superior people, or aliens!!
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Post by: Littleroses on September 23, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
Just doing a bit of catching up - that is all very interesting

It never fails to surprise me that people think the Egyptians couldn't possibly have built what they did - it must have been an unknown superior people, or aliens!!

Most definitely aliens! ;D
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on September 23, 2019, 02:51:57 PM
Hi Anchorman , I have a question ,
Are there any examples of tube drill cores with a continuos helical cut marks showing drillilling techniques of rotation in one direction ?

I'm more interested in how they did it , not why or who for

Cheers
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 23, 2019, 04:22:45 PM
Hi Anchorman , I have a question ,
Are there any examples of tube drill cores with a continuos helical cut marks showing drillilling techniques of rotation in one direction ?

I'm more interested in how they did it , not why or who for

Cheers
   

Off the top of my head, U'd say that was a technology too far; mainly because the only metals at their disposal were copper and bronze, niether of which would be strong enough to act as srill bits for most stone. Iron only started filtering into Egypt in any quantity from the first millenium onwards.
I'll ask around, though.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
   

Off the top of my head, U'd say that was a technology too far; mainly because the only metals at their disposal were copper and bronze, niether of which would be strong enough to act as srill bits for most stone. Iron only started filtering into Egypt in any quantity from the first millenium onwards.
I'll ask around, though.
thanks pal 👍
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Post by: Anchorman on September 24, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
thanks pal 👍
   

There are a few academic papers on AE tech (as well as drivel from pyramidiots); but here's one you might find relevent.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2842001?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on September 24, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
   

There are a few academic papers on AE tech (as well as drivel from pyramidiots); but here's one you might find relevent.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2842001?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Anchs
Unfortunately I don't have the facility to look at all that at the moment
Cheers though 👍
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Dicky Underpants on September 24, 2019, 05:33:11 PM
   

Off the top of my head, U'd say that was a technology too far; mainly because the only metals at their disposal were copper and bronze, niether of which would be strong enough to act as srill bits for most stone. Iron only started filtering into Egypt in any quantity from the first millenium onwards.
I'll ask around, though.

Lots of it (and steel) around centuries before that in the Americas, though (according to the Book of Mormon :) )
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 24, 2019, 07:35:05 PM
Lots of it (and steel) around centuries before that in the Americas, though (according to the Book of Mormon :) )
     


Yeah, but...yeah but....
All dat steel an' stuff wuz probably trampled underground by dem elephants, innit?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 06, 2019, 02:49:57 PM
  Drilling for temples. It's all Greek to me. https://www.ibtimes.sg/archaeologists-unearth-ancient-pharaoh-ptolemy-ivs-temple-egypt-photo-32680?fbclid=IwAR0YZamQAgs_plkeCT4a4hnjT5OtHbDB86mOTXAlaKHwDYZ9tfdEHsgK04Q
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 07, 2019, 08:59:46 AM
      An example of what we're up against.
A report on the latest arrests for illegal digging, and confiscated artefacts.
This is only one report.
Literally thousands of illegal items are found and put on the illegal antiquities market every year; sold to unscrupulous dealers and end up in private collections or even major museums.
As an example, last week, America handed over a superb gilded coffin of a priest which had been smuggled out of Egypt in the 1970's.
I don't particularly object to the sale of antiquities;
As long as the items are studied in situ, documented and researched, and their locations in their new home well known, I can live with that.
In any other country, this kind of thing would be a national scandal....but Egypt has so much wealth of archaeology that the world seems to turn its back and look the other way.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/75528/Pics-Gang-arrested-with-193-statues-sarcophagus-in-Giza?fbclid=IwAR2Ze-Yr9DAZZ507o6oDxqVITxtdhEIhDE5fFjGFbKkbw0rDRRlQ-eTuNeE

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 10, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Warning; this article contains references to Zahi Hawass.....
As I type this, Hawass is announcing a find in the Valley of the Kings - that part known as the 'West Valley', which contains the tombs of Amenhotep III ansd  Ay, amongst others. The tomb of Ay was originally started as Tutankhamun's, but he was laide in a much smaller, less ornate resting place, and his successor ended up using the tomb himself.
Hawass claims Tutankhamun's widow, Ankhesenamun 'must' be there, and he has excavated in the area fior several years trying to find it.
(Many Egyptologists argue that we already have the lady's mummy as an unidentified "KV21a" )
However, Hawass hass unearthed a workers' settlement - huts where workers working on tombs camped and stored tools, or embalmers worked outside tombs, far from habitation. If this is so, it indicates the presence of an as yet undiscovered royal tomb in the near area.
Watch this space.
https://m.facebook.com/luxortimesmagazine/photos/a.172787962907723/1157590764427433/?type=3&refid=17&_ft_=mf_story_key.1157590791094097%3Atop_level_post_id.1157590791094097%3Atl_objid.1157590791094097%3Acontent_owner_id_new.172787876241065%3Athrowback_story_fbid.1157590791094097%3Apage_id.172787876241065%3Aphoto_id.1157590764427433%3Astory_location.4%3Astory_attachment_style.photo%3Apage_insights.%7B%22172787876241065%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A172787876241065%2C%22actor_id%22%3A172787876241065%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22post_context%22%3A%7B%22object_fbtype%22%3A266%2C%22publish_time%22%3A1570695365%2C%22story_name%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22story_fbid%22%3A%5B1157590791094097%5D%7D%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22sl%22%3A4%2C%22targets%22%3A%5B%7B%22actor_id%22%3A172787876241065%2C%22page_id%22%3A172787876241065%2C%22post_id%22%3A1157590791094097%2C%22role%22%3A1%2C%22share_id%22%3A0%7D%5D%7D%2C%22112384738789408%22%3A%7B%22page_id%22%3A112384738789408%2C%22actor_id%22%3A172787876241065%2C%22dm%22%3A%7B%22isShare%22%3A0%2C%22originalPostOwnerID%22%3A0%7D%2C%22psn%22%3A%22EntStatusCreationStory%22%2C%22role%22%3A16%2C%22sl%22%3A4%7D%7D%3Athid.172787876241065%3A306061129499414%3A2%3A0%3A1572591599%3A-8048377807866501364&__tn__=EH-R
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Post by: Anchorman on October 10, 2019, 12:31:38 PM
 The valley's going to be busy.
Hawass - under the auspices of the Department of Antiquities - announces not one, but two major expeditions and some startling results, promising some exciting things to come.
https://see.news/funeral-furniture-manufacture-workshops-discovered-in-apes-valley/?fbclid=IwAR0wZqLHkmXGtFcR_0K5m4-VoJSimUMQGb85dIq2ylwtAXb5kwpsPQuLj54
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on October 12, 2019, 02:47:46 PM
The valley's going to be busy.
Hawass - under the auspices of the Department of Antiquities - announces not one, but two major expeditions and some startling results, promising some exciting things to come.
https://see.news/funeral-furniture-manufacture-workshops-discovered-in-apes-valley/?fbclid=IwAR0wZqLHkmXGtFcR_0K5m4-VoJSimUMQGb85dIq2ylwtAXb5kwpsPQuLj54
anchs,

when I read what you write on here I'm reminded of the dog who looks at the pointing finger rather than what the finger is pointing at  ::)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 14, 2019, 09:12:53 AM
 How the other half died.
A good blog from a respected source, on the findings at the latest burial site found at Saqqara.
This site gives an insight into not only burial practice, but, through studies, the life, health and to some extent, religion, of the working class in Late and Ptolemaic Egypt.
https://khentiamentiu.blogspot.com/2019/10/cemetery-of-poor-discovered-south-of.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR2rHFCSyhfcXhwmnfYT3nsZDFq9FxbW0UfeUBHKRJz42RJVznrhGH3_N1Y
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 15, 2019, 04:36:43 PM
 Some pics from the latest find at South Assasif, Luxor, where a cache of at least 20 coffins, intact with undisturbed mummies, has been found.
Great images of surviving colours.
https://see.news/antiquities-ministry-releases-images-of-colored-coffins-found-at-luxor/?fbclid=IwAR3pvF5Hf67MAKkJ3axWs6NHCoJ5Cd2UTM2Xtqvq8f9detWsI69T5Nf5MK4
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Post by: Nearly Sane on October 16, 2019, 04:29:23 PM
Some pics from the latest find at South Assasif, Luxor, where a cache of at least 20 coffins, intact with undisturbed mummies, has been found.
Great images of surviving colours.
https://see.news/antiquities-ministry-releases-images-of-colored-coffins-found-at-luxor/?fbclid=IwAR3pvF5Hf67MAKkJ3axWs6NHCoJ5Cd2UTM2Xtqvq8f9detWsI69T5Nf5MK4

That is quite amazing
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Post by: Littleroses on October 16, 2019, 04:37:38 PM
Incredible and the coffins seem to be in such good condition.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 19, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
The latest extraordinary pics from the new cache tomb near Luxor, plus a statement from the Egyptian department of Antiquities.
The English isn't great, but the images are superb.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/10/dozens-of-intact-ancient-egyptian-coffins-and-mummies-discovered-in-luxor/
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Post by: Anchorman on November 05, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
 Interesting excavation
s from the Roman Period at Saqqara
https://www.egyptindependent.com/team-excavates-first-roman-catacomb-tomb-discovered-in-saqqara/?fbclid=IwAR2oe2LR3EMSn7CVUneUWYbv8JUlDrvASFPc4M8XWpmX4JHhepberKw8eS8
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Post by: Dicky Underpants on November 06, 2019, 01:38:40 PM
Interesting excavation
s from the Roman Period at Saqqara
https://www.egyptindependent.com/team-excavates-first-roman-catacomb-tomb-discovered-in-saqqara/?fbclid=IwAR2oe2LR3EMSn7CVUneUWYbv8JUlDrvASFPc4M8XWpmX4JHhepberKw8eS8

Off topic for this thread. re my post #52 in LR's thread "Using the Bible as an excuse for bigotry" (Christian topic), I'd welcome some input from your expert knowledge on the historical evidence for the references in Isaiah and Ezra about King Cyrus, and his role in the liberation of the Jews from Babylon, and his promoting the rebuilding of the Jerusalem temple. Both prophets speak of Cyrus in the most glowing terms - "Messiah" - especially since he was a pagan king.

Off topic for that thread too, but it makes a change from repeated mantra such as "The god of the bible is evil".
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 13, 2019, 10:10:07 AM
We've known about mummified cats, dogs, baboons, crocs, bulls - you name it - for ages; now a lion mummy at Sakkara.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?destination=%2fworld%2fmiddle_east%2fegypt-says-its-unearthed-large-animal-mummy-likely-a-lion%2f2019%2f11%2f11%2f52a55312-0471-11ea-9118-25d6bd37dfb1_story.html%3f
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Post by: Anchorman on November 16, 2019, 10:38:22 AM
Nice pics from the latest find from 'Roman Egypt' at Saqqara
This shows the influence of Hellenistic religion and thought combined with native Egyptian.
Judging by the name, the deceased was Egyptian with pretentions of Hellenism¬!
https://www.livescience.com/ancient-egypt-catacomb-mummies-carvings.html?fbclid=IwAR0y1ORXF0nRQeEvgCoOeCYq5SnWklfoigBcKh_Sg2w69e8feNTJkn_jRUI
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Post by: Anchorman on November 23, 2019, 03:12:58 PM
 Saqqara has yielded literally millions of animal mummies.
So many that some of the catacombs have simply been resealed and left unexplored.
Yet news today of a haul of statues of cats, ibis, dogs, and others, as well as coffined animal mummies galore.
Good pics.
https://see.news/details-of-new-archaeological-discovery-in-saqqara-photos/?fbclid=IwAR2hdegel9MCUUooKvsqmcgW503m6ySasZaGopT5Q63KtbuP7_h9kTY2xpk
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Post by: Robbie on November 25, 2019, 06:22:51 PM
I just found this on MSN and thought of you, you've already mentioned some (Saqqara) but not all. Fascinating!

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/rare-cache-of-mummified-animals-unveiled-in-egypt/ar-BBXe5BO
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Post by: Anchorman on November 25, 2019, 06:30:50 PM
I just found this on MSN and thought of you, you've already mentioned some (Saqqara) but not all. Fascinating!

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/rare-cache-of-mummified-animals-unveiled-in-egypt/ar-BBXe5BO
   


Yep.
Saqqara never seems to disappoint, and this latest find is pretty much par for the course.
Of course, we have umpteen stues, coffins and literally millions of mummified animals, but these lion cubs are virtually unique.
The question of where they, and the countless other animals, came from, is still unanswered.
Given the sheer quantity of mummies (so much that a steamship loaded with mummified cats landed in Liverrpool, and the 'cargo' was used as fertiliser), there had to be industrialised farming of cats, ibis, baboons, etc on a scale never seen before or since.
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Post by: Anchorman on November 25, 2019, 06:35:26 PM
And....... Liverpool farming with that antique Egyptian touch..... https://blog.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/2011/06/a-mummy-cats-tale/
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 27, 2019, 01:53:27 PM
     You can tell the dig season's up and running.
Three fine coffins excavated from an already known tomb courtyard at Luxor.
Nice pics.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/11/french-archaeologists-unearth-ancient-egyptian-wooden-coffins/?fbclid=IwAR1rNtWkrgGS_xjQ3uuiMzAX8NR1vgL5vY4li4brORZ-qxm42rhcXRMBF2Y
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: ippy on November 27, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
My little wife and I did the Tutankhamen exhibition in 'The Saatchi gallery' Chelsea yesterday Anchor, I hope the powers that be bring it up to somewhere near you, it was only just about moderately interesting!

My favourite exhibit was the black guy, the warrior protecting the doorway, the one with, what looked like, a club wearing a golden apron and also holding,  a spear, I'm sure you'll know the figure I speak of, the amount of walking killed our feet, there's a lot to look at.

Regards, ippy.

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 27, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
My little wife and I did the Tutankhamen exhibition in 'The Saatchi gallery' Chelsea yesterday Anchor, I hope the powers that be bring it up to somewhere near you, it was only just about moderately interesting!

My favourite exhibit was the black guy, the warrior protecting the doorway, the one with, what looked like, a club wearing a golden apron and also holding,  a spear, I'm sure you'll know the figure I speak of, the amount of walking killed our feet, there's a lot to look at.

Regards, ippy.


   




I bit the bullet and went down on the first week (No, I didn't buy a ticket....my cousin bought me one as an early - esxpensive - Christjas present.)
The exhibition wasn't bad...the canopic coffin, throne, several statues from the 'treasury' etc, were here for the dirst - and last time.
That black statue thingy was a 'Ka' statue - in case the jmummy was destroyed, the king's Ka could nip into the statue and scoff the theological grub in those containers.
By the way, I hope you weren't daft enough to buy stuff at the shop - 'cos it was overpriced tat, mostly.
The hardcover book of the exhibition by Hawass is actually quite good, though.
Tonight on C5, part two of a three parter on Tut with Dan Snow. Not bad - part one was last night, part three tomorrow.
If you go to catchup, last night's prog had John Srgeant - yes, John Sergeant - scoffing Egyptian grub and trying the reconstructed beer (which is actually pretty potent and tasty).
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: ippy on November 28, 2019, 01:13:44 PM

Forgive my former understatement I was really impressed by the sheer beauty of these beyond any price items that give so much credit to the people that made them, I spent five years at the London central school of arts an crafts learning alongside various craftsmen, no females there training at that time, and as a craftsman myself I can perhaps have more of an eye and appreciation of the effort that goes into the sometimes most simple of items displayed there.

The shop you mention there were a few items worth buying perhaps as gifts for young children provided there was a 75% discount on everything.

We've done a catch up on channel five and have now seen the first two programmes and are looking forward to the last one tonight 28th, we were really surprised when, although knowing the tomb was virtually untouched by robbers, at the quantity of items the sheer volume.

We now about three years ago downsized to a small bungalow, plug the vacuum cleaner and do the whole place without unplugging, even so if I could have nicked that figure with the war club etc I'd find some room for him somewhere here it was something I really liked, no idea why.

What a day out it's moved my thought over a few notches in my appreciation of the people of that area, in a good way, but in a way I find difficult to describe in words, more a feeling of shuffling the king western world idea I'm inclined to hang on to more than perhaps I should.

Not a very clear description but it's somewhere around my thoughts, I don't know?

My mother in law was always into Egyptology and we've loads of her books on all aspects of that stuff and my wife's cousin has learned how to read their hieroglyphics, what with that and her Richard the third society I don't know how she even finds time for food shopping, the bright ones all seem to be on my wife's side of the family but there we can't all be good looking.

Oh yes it must have been a bit of a saga of a journey from, I believe You're from Glasgow or around there well done I thought I was keen coming from North Essex, oh yes and I did wonder if you saw any of the shops openly selling vegetables while you were down this way?

Regards, ippy

P S Our grandson's mother's a Glaswegian.   


I bit the bullet and went down on the first week (No, I didn't buy a ticket....my cousin bought me one as an early - esxpensive - Christjas present.)
The exhibition wasn't bad...the canopic coffin, throne, several statues from the 'treasury' etc, were here for the dirst - and last time.
That black statue thingy was a 'Ka' statue - in case the jmummy was destroyed, the king's Ka could nip into the statue and scoff the theological grub in those containers.
By the way, I hope you weren't daft enough to buy stuff at the shop - 'cos it was overpriced tat, mostly.
The hardcover book of the exhibition by Hawass is actually quite good, though.
Tonight on C5, part two of a three parter on Tut with Dan Snow. Not bad - part one was last night, part three tomorrow.
If you go to catchup, last night's prog had John Srgeant - yes, John Sergeant - scoffing Egyptian grub and trying the reconstructed beer (which is actually pretty potent and tasty).

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on November 28, 2019, 06:54:56 PM

         

S'ok, I had my passport handy.
I stayed overnight at my cousin's gaffe, where asuitable (imported) liquid lubrication was to hand, since you can't trust the water down there.
The content of the tomb never ceases to amaze me - not only the bling; of all the tombs to be preserved in the Valley, his poses the most questions, spawning umpteen serious theories and ten times that of daft ones.

For example, at least five of those blingy exhibits were not made for him at all - including that tiny gold coffinette and the statue of the king on the leopard.
The latter clearly shows a female, rather than a male ruler, and the name on the inside of the former belonged, not to Tutankhamun, but to another - female - king - Ankkheperure. The identity of that ruler has set the fur flying for decades, and there are still three main theories surrounding it...theories which have set some of the more - enthusiastic - Egyptologists to threats, even to legal action!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 11, 2019, 07:41:17 PM
 You can't escape him....you name a place in Egyptm,he's either recreated it for himself, written over it, built bits onto it, planted temples in it, or left statues of himself in it.
Here's the latest one - Ramesses II, as if you hadn't guessed.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/357585.aspx?fbclid=IwAR1sAIwX87vJuwm9w_xlpgQtzoh7627WtTr6YFsX-fHwyAZ40qCn_3_lFuQ
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 17, 2019, 09:51:03 AM
 A nice wee sphink statue from Tuna-el-Gebel.
It has a royal head, but no name yet.
I'd hazard a guess, based on style, that this was either very late period (around c350 BC, making it Nectanebo II, or one of the early Ptolemies.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/78685/A-small-royal-statue-of-a-sphinx-uncovered-in-Tuna
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 19, 2019, 04:06:58 PM
One for the birds.
The funerary temple of Amenhotep III has always been a mine for superb sculpture.
I said 'always'...it was reused, usurped, and emptied from less than fifty years after its' completion.
However, even today, it yields treasures.
A few years back, several dozen statues of the king and various deities were found; now a fragmented statue of Horus - more properly Re-Horakhty, solar protective deity of Egyptian kingship, has turned up, among other things.

  http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/0/358052/Heritage//A-granodiorite-colossus-of-Horus-unearthed-in-Egyp.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0el66Ig6o9MqFHVESKaRpnBjehpAeNJLSCpTPfPiE4WEaART0qnmxvw8o
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Walter on December 19, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
Anchs

did you have a mummy fixation when you were a kid  ;)
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on December 19, 2019, 04:26:11 PM
Anchs

did you have a mummy fixation when you were a kid  ;)
   



Nope.
I had a space fixation.
Then some blasted teacher suggested I try something new for a project.
I wasten.
It went downhill from there.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 05, 2020, 08:18:50 PM
 From the Smithsonian; a new take on a (very) old book; possibly the oldest known illustrated book in existance. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/4000-year-old-guide-ancient-egyptian-underworld-may-be-oldest-illustrated-book-180973880/?fbclid=IwAR3vOTAzd-fvVx2X4-fZNFBLCkKNg-iFzm4lYvTdT-qWU1okRlHBbFQFSlo
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 09, 2020, 09:43:20 AM
One of the problems for archaeology in Egypt is the amount of stuff still buried. Here, find a fragment of Roman pottery, a remnant of a cist burial or a bit of a torque and everyone's thrilled. In Egypt,try to dig a hole for a sewer, and some remnant of ancient times is bound to come up. This time,what looks like bits of a rather fine temple, probably twentieth or twenty-first dynasty, have started to be revealed. https://www.egyptindependent.com/photos-workers-in-daqahlia-village-stumble-upon-pharaonic-artifacts/?fbclid=IwAR0VYZ3b_2dey-9qT3X5nty-Uca9f3uDdkMhqbHFRsJV3GzysuUI7Ov7sUI
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 21, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
Dead men (and women) walking.
As preparation for the new Grand Egyptian Museum at Giza near completion, the Tahrir Square Cairo Museum is getting a much neede cler out.
A lot is moving to the GEM, other stuff to a humanities display, leaving room at the Cairo for the vast amount of stuff now held in storage.
The royal dead are having an outing ; the mummies from the cache tombs of TT320 and KV35 are on the move.
It's a bit like gathering all the Tudor, Stewart and Hanovarians and flitting them to a new address.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/79668/Preparations-for-transfer-of-22-royal-mummies-finalized?fbclid=IwAR1wEJoakX9wMoof7cIPAeGzMIQG0FTnPzRj6kGll5fHr8nV7XeJZw08Kzg
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: jeremyp on January 22, 2020, 08:00:03 PM
In Our Time does Tutankhamun

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cng6
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 22, 2020, 08:21:15 PM
In Our Time does Tutankhamun

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000cng6
 

I'll give it a go. Sometimes I wish I hadn't written a paper on the end of the Amarna period...there are so many possible theories concerning kings, gender, co-rule, kidnap, murdering foriegn princes sent as husbands, palace coups, political chicanery, that if you threw a few flying saucers and a randy camel into the mix, there might be a possibility of truth there as well.....
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 23, 2020, 08:31:15 PM
One of the epithets used to describe a person after death in Egypt waqs 'true of voice'.
After mummification, prior to encoffining, a ceremony was performed - the 'openinig of the mouth' in order that the mummified corpse's 'Ka' could speak in the afterlife.
Now scientists have given the mummy a voice!
Nesiamun/Nesuamun was a high ranking priest at Karnak at the collapse of Egypt's New Kingdom. As such he would have enjoyed considerable temporal authority in the semi-autonomous Upper Egypt.
Now, gizzmos and tech can reproduce what he sounded like in life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51223828?fbclid=IwAR3SeITHmKfpbteq7xx4WrckYp5O--Nr7BbXyEdvGi2nXHmjddewA436t9M
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Udayana on January 24, 2020, 10:51:41 AM
One of the epithets used to describe a person after death in Egypt waqs 'true of voice'.
After mummification, prior to encoffining, a ceremony was performed - the 'openinig of the mouth' in order that the mummified corpse's 'Ka' could speak in the afterlife.
Now scientists have given the mummy a voice!
Nesiamun/Nesuamun was a high ranking priest at Karnak at the collapse of Egypt's New Kingdom. As such he would have enjoyed considerable temporal authority in the semi-autonomous Upper Egypt.
Now, gizzmos and tech can reproduce what he sounded like in life.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51223828?fbclid=IwAR3SeITHmKfpbteq7xx4WrckYp5O--Nr7BbXyEdvGi2nXHmjddewA436t9M

Sounds rather weedy?
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 24, 2020, 11:08:10 AM
Sounds rather weedy?
 

Luckily he wouldn't have needed to preach...'cos there were no sermons as we know them.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 29, 2020, 09:49:52 AM
 There's been a murder.......
OK....so an Irish mummy gives up its' secrets....probably a mixed race Greco-Egyptian living in an Egypt ruled by black kings from Sudan.....
This is groundbreaking tech, giving an insight into life - and violent death - in the twenty-fifth dynasty, which saw Egypt as a pawn in a struggle between Assyria and Ethiopia, in which Ethiopian kings ruled most of the land, though a rebellious group of Egyptians of Lybian ancestry supported by Assyria still held a torch for independence in the coastal lands of the Delta.
They would eventually succeed and rule Egypt for over a century, and, curiously, depend on Greek mercenaries to bolster their southern borders.
It would seem, though, that Greeks lived in the Theban area - what is now Luxor - in the eighth and seventh centuries BC, and interacted with the local population to produce a refreshingly cosmopolitan element we didn't suspect at this time.
https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2020-01-27/new-research-reveals-how-mummy-at-belfast-museum-died/?fbclid=IwAR2i29CUBeT8LTyZmP60LJM1Er9SULhv2J9hSNPgp4FOgo2Ru9j42CvDwsU
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on January 30, 2020, 09:58:06 PM
 Hot off the camera.
The very latest pics from the latest tomb found this year at Tuna-elGebel, which has proved incredibly rich as far as middle-ranking Late Period (525-303BC) burials.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvuClQSqLw&fbclid=IwAR0TLBIZacZ63UDmUCOxB4zzAH19u-9P8l7rpzcuSUwEV4O8cL3DfCq5IGM&app=desktop
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 13, 2020, 09:33:12 PM
 A very significant find from Egypt's Delata.
83 superbly preserved burials dating from c4000Bc and three of them to around c3300BC...before the foundation of the pharonic state. The earlier 'Buto culture' burials show a well developed funerary culture, with pottery vessels and even pottery coffins; a level of sophistication which had previously been unsuspected in Delta culture of that period.

https://www.egyptindependent.com/dozens-of-ancient-graves-discovered-in-egypts-daqahliya-governorate/?fbclid=IwAR0xpcUtRhsgaJfYOiPp_02BNYaT8yVsVXtBYxgdO7EuRTYuKkxA1ZBtqdQ
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 17, 2020, 03:10:53 PM
Another day, another find.
Some rather splendid coffins from Luxor.
At a cursory glance, they look like mid-ranking noble burials from around 1500BC.
http://luxortimes.com/2019/11/french-archaeologists-unearth-ancient-egyptian-wooden-coffins/?fbclid=IwAR11pBFHOek7xIII_CJ74dfuS-MRtgM5kKECDvqUVRcyACSoOrAlTbq3u2Q
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on February 21, 2020, 09:13:24 AM
 The room that won't go away. Yet another series of scans may -or may not - show further rooms in KV 62. This will be the third lot of scans in Tutankhamun's tomb; the last lot were inconclusive. The story that won't go away...... This time, though, it's an as yet unpublished report from 'Nature', which doesn't normally go in for crackpot ideas. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00465-y?fbclid=IwAR3_MUiB9Rn8W6ivJrg3HHkY9EplynViX1wxsEpztffnaK3261_rfbqFH_I
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 30, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
      There's still some Egyptology going on.
This link is to a new find in Saqqara, a very luxurious tomb dating to the 'Sun kings' - the fifth dynasty, just after the Giza pyramids.
This period showed the full flowering of devotion to the Sun god Re in all its' aspects, including a rather obscure aspect - Aten - which would cause all sorts of problems nine centuries later.
This era saw the development of funerary theology for the nobles as well s the kings, and the first emergence of Osiris as the main funerary deity, eclipsing the earlier Khenty-amentiu.
This particular tomb shows the use of vibrant colours, and indicates a flourishing trade with Mediterranean and Asiatic areas, as, at this time, blue was usually only obtained by crushing rocks or other laps-bearing stone, sourced from what is now Turkey.
https://mymodernmet.com/khuwy-egyptian-tomb-saqqara/?fbclid=IwAR0lA4dkX32wRx8ZUQNLjlEw55auP_-YhR-EaMrEY3gOz5cmRDrcHvB55yo
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on April 30, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
 Have a shuftie at this link.
It melds in two finds; a rather spectacular shaft tomb from Saqqara, probably a family tomb of the Third intermediate period (1000-6000 BC)
and a rather splendid mummy from Thebes dating to around 1750 BC.
The latter is a very good example of the 'Theban style' which developed as Upper Egypt was ruled by native Egyptian kings who formed the seventeenth dynasty, prior to the expulsion of the Asiatic rulers in the north and reunification of Egypt to form the New Kingdom and a 'golden age'.
https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/ancient-egypt-discoveries-saqqara/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2yQ5e3jaF0DuV0E6C8TA02nBcP6JLh5K4syCvUxBhJ5pknB6sjvjZu8rk
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 03, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
Getting to the guts of things.
More on the latest finds at Saqqara,including details of the excavation of a rather rare embalmers workshop - the 'house of purification' as the Egyptians called them; though they must have smelled anything but pure.
Also some great pics on the latest shaft tomb burials.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/85371/Egypt-announces-new-discoveries-studies-at-the-Mummification-Workshop-Complex?fbclid=IwAR3HauU3HDg9nzFU2efpNJiIZvsi7JxqF2Ce_yF_eI8qmbkJB9lS_VM5tok
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on May 27, 2020, 08:49:38 AM
 Latest news announcing a unique Saite Period (Dyn 26, around 590 BC( tomb, and a Roman period cemetery with both 'Egyptianised' and Christian burials.
https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/05/egypt-archaeological-discover-cemetery-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Littleroses on June 07, 2020, 03:58:51 PM
Not Egypt, but ancient Roman sites have been recently discovered in Wales according to this article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44806069
 
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on June 08, 2020, 06:55:46 AM
anchorman

Catchng up on all the posts I've missed! All very interesting. Also interesting are the Archae-something e-mails.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on June 08, 2020, 08:35:07 AM
anchorman

Catchng up on all the posts I've missed! All very interesting. Also interesting are the Archae-something e-mails.
   

Thanks, Susan.
Umpteen things grab me as far as Egypt goes; not only the 'big' stuff concerning kings and eras, though that in itself, is absorbing, but the incredible breath of time, evolving culture, glimpses into the daily lives of men, women and children living so long ago.
PPlus the fact that much of the much vaunted Greek astronomy, philosopphy, archetecture, sculpture and military prowess can be traced back to, well, you've guessed it......
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on June 16, 2020, 07:45:12 PM
 Not exactly Egypt, but Egyptian.
This find shows predynastic trade and cultural influnce from as early as c5000 BC - a ritual platform with Egyptian artef
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/ritual-platform-arabia-0013847?fbclid=IwAR2G-Qj3iv7EepMy1CS7_q5MunMmt9xX_YFnNyWrRw9bBYkgMCWkGgMGZvM
acts....in Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 14, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
Carry on Cleo?
OK, I doubt whether they'll find the last Egyptian female king's tomb, never mind her body, but this is interesting nonetheless.
https://www.histecho.com/mummies-two-high-status-egyptians-found-offers-clues-hunt-cleopatras-tomb/?fbclid=IwAR0h8vQHjluNGys_9WvWdpypxDpXVlyLfdMLZLyK4nKLKcoTDrZaRzNSY_Q
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on July 30, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
 Most folk know of the stunning sites at Karnak and Luxor, - Thebes.
However, throught Egypt's history, the main centre of administration was Men-nefer - bGreek 'Memphis'.
Due to the destruction of the sites to make way for Cairo, we have lost almost all of what was once there. Indeed, the very name 'Egypt' comes from 'Aegyptos' - the Greek effort to write 'Ken-gup-Ptah' - the Temple complex of Ptah, creator deity of Memphis.
The latest finds seem to be part of a vast temple complex built by Ramesses II  to honour both Ptah and Hathor/Sekhmet, the latter being two aspects of the one female creator protector deity.
https://dailynewsegypt.com/2020/07/28/egypt-announces-new-archaeological-discovery-from-ramses-ii-era/?fbclid=IwAR2JIBrdv9jKx3rPtqeNV39sDm4-R9iHuy0GCh
v27VriBUb8H9WeALRJYsU
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Nearly Sane on August 01, 2020, 08:35:19 PM
Thought this was interesting

http://www.openculture.com/2020/07/take-an-360-interactive-tour-inside-the-great-pyramid-of-giza.html
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 01, 2020, 09:40:58 PM
Thought this was interesting

http://www.openculture.com/2020/07/take-an-360-interactive-tour-inside-the-great-pyramid-of-giza.html
 

Thanks, NS.
I've been on the Giza plateau a few times, but never visited Khufu's pyramid (Though I've been to Menkhaure's, and several other tombs in the area).
People are still finding out stuff about the monument; a dirty great void was detected inside it in 2017, for example, but the things that interest me are the town constructed for the workers who built it - found in the 1980's - and the cemeteries, where the remains show evidence of a well fed, and relatively well cared for, workforce.
Perhaps the most interesting find in recent years has been the worlds' oldest papyrus document, dating to the 'gang master' of one of the crews who quarried and ferried stones for the completion of the monument.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/ancient-egypt-shipping-mining-farming-economy-pyramids-180956619/

Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 01, 2020, 09:51:44 PM
  I'm posting a find first announced two years ago, but still under investigation. It appears that several of the mummies are non-Egyptian, and are probanly Syrio-Palestinian in origin - though one may even be that of a Carian Greek. This would confirm the cosmjopolitan nature of Egypt in the seventh century BC, as we kow the rulers employed Greek mercenaries to fight off the Persians - and established a Jewish Temple at Egypt's soutern border to enable the garrison of Jews who manned it against the incursion of the Kushitesl. This is a very significant new discovery, probably the most important since the discovery of the intact royal tombs at Tanis in the late 1930's (which, imho, are still far to under reported). A whole collection of mummies, coffins, superb silver artefacts including masks - dating from the Saite Period - dyn XXVI. A very rare example of an embalmer's workshop to boot. This find has yet to be fully inspected, never mind published, but its' importance can't be understated. http://luxortimes.com/2018/07/new-discovery-mummification-workshop-installation-in-sakkara/?fbclid=IwAR38mMQMoMVs1H2_Mv6szg2_4HvP3aGr6twUs3HWo1MbUbdZRBo6dL0hC_I
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on August 26, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
 When I studied Egyptology at Uni, part of the course was a hands-on unwrapping of some of the vast collection of animal mummies stored in the vaults of various museums.
Now, scanning can do the work for us, and this report from 'Nature' is a well-written insight on the latest British research.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-69726-0?fbclid=IwAR3pidBxZUOPW2EMUcOr-V5jXfCqyZHf8QdIFXYHkpG0M3ScWh3RWpww2lY
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 08, 2020, 10:46:57 AM
     In any other country, this find would be the discovery of the century - but this is Egypt, and it's only another mass burial tomb cache.
Saqqara never seems to disappoint; tombs from Egypt's second dynasty to the Roman period continue to be found; kings to commoners, priests to mummified cats, ibis, lions and hedgehogs.
This cache hasn't been fully excavated, but it looks like dating from Egypt's thirtieth (and last Pharonic) dynasty, till around the time of Ptolemy III.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/379451/Egypt/Politics-/Cache-of-sealed-coffins-unearthed-in-Saqqara-Egypt.aspx?fbclid=IwAR0w3snQmFeIriA8gwFmKy5AEOHJMfDunpHN3wwY1riEEIPRcZtlxuGyiDA
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 20, 2020, 06:30:42 PM
Great pics from the Beeb, showing the removal of the 27 intact coffins from the Saqqara cache.
There are at least two galleries as yet unexcavated, so the final haul may be even more spectacular.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54227282
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 23, 2020, 01:55:45 PM
The tomb which keeps on giving.
Just when you think you know everything about the contents of KV62 - Tutankhamun - a lump of mush in a museum surprises you.
An example of the skill of the modern conservator.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/91984/King-Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s-tomb-never-runs-out-of-surprises?fbclid=IwAR2NpSzEKdrtnM0a8si-YHMhNG39y1tBrQrOGOeIST-wrFzzNuRcU6er018
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: SusanDoris on September 23, 2020, 02:24:50 PM
The tomb which keeps on giving.
Just when you think you know everything about the contents of KV62 - Tutankhamun - a lump of mush in a museum surprises you.
An example of the skill of the modern conservator.
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/91984/King-Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s-tomb-never-runs-out-of-surprises?fbclid=IwAR2NpSzEKdrtnM0a8si-YHMhNG39y1tBrQrOGOeIST-wrFzzNuRcU6er018

All very interesting information. I listened yesterday to the latest archeo thoughts e-mail about pseudo-archaeology - more interesting work.
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on September 23, 2020, 04:46:23 PM
All very interesting information. I listened yesterday to the latest archeo thoughts e-mail about pseudo-archaeology - more interesting work.
   


Yep. The pseudohistorians and tinfoil hat brigade have always had a field day with KV62 - from aliwen involvement, through Joseph, Moses and monotheistic tendancies, to the 'tragic boy king murdered for keepng secrets' stuff.
The real analysis of the complex content and context of the tomb is far more convoluted!
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 06, 2020, 09:34:06 PM
And the finds keep on coming - 59 of them, to be precise....and the occasional statue, shabti and fragment of papyrus.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/3/egypt-unveils-59-ancient-coffins-in-ma
jor-archaeological-discover
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 09, 2020, 11:23:57 AM
      Not a find, but a nice CGI reconstruction of the possible face of the female king Maatkare Hatshepsut, one of the most powerful rulers of Egypt's 'Golden age', the eighteenth dynasty, of the New Kingdom, using what is almost certainly her mummy as a template. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuWpEfj6EK8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1xwdvFPcIfyKhdSnLS3sRa-_e_J2d0vQIDzCCuY1nGbCrBwiBY6Ijp810
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 19, 2020, 02:22:29 PM
 Now we're up to our ears in coffins. This is proving to be a spectacular find....Egypt never fails to surprise us. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1666429903513244&id=172787876241065&_rdr
Title: Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
Post by: Anchorman on October 20, 2020, 08:58:44 AM
 Watch this space...
...or these holes.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/388692.aspx?fbclid=IwAR3rWfg4sz6VyLz5azGrnJS2g3wgFpYLRLJtdLi7ZaeptYx2_K77r79JUoo