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Weird - wonder if this will mute the Tories having a go an Angela Rayner since no doubt Labour will have fun with this.

It's all a bit tawdry.
To be fair, Menzies is just a back bencher and the Tories have lots of MPs they have suspended in this parliament. I suspect this will make them even more desperate.
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Weird - wonder if this will mute the Tories having a go an Angela Rayner since no doubt Labour will have fun with this.

It's all a bit tawdry.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Re: Peter Murrell re-arrested in SNP finances probe
« Last post by Gordon on April 18, 2024, 07:49:12 PM »
Wow - that is serious jail-time stuff.
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Very odd story.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68841840

"Mr Menzies has been an MP since 2010 but has never been a government minister.

He has been a parliamentary aide to three Tory ministers - but resigned the last of these roles in 2014, after a newspaper reported allegations from a Brazilian male escort that he paid him for sex and asked him to buy an illegal drug.

At the time, Mr Menzies said a number of the allegations were untrue and he "looked forward to setting the record straight".

In 2017, the Mirror reported he had been quizzed by police over claims he got a dog drunk in 2015. He denied the allegation to the paper and said that he was cleared by police"

The curious incident of the dog in the night takes on new meaning.
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Politics & Current Affairs / Peter Murrell re-arrested in SNP finances probe
« Last post by Nearly Sane on April 18, 2024, 07:17:02 PM »
The slow motorhome crash returns

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68850088
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by Spud on April 18, 2024, 06:41:09 PM »
NS,

You’re confusing evidence with proof. Axiomatically I cannot prove the absence of a purposive world, of pixies or of anything else. What I can do though is to call the various methods I referred to a while back (Occam’s razor, absence of justifying evidence etc) as evidence on which to base a claim of knowledge.

If you insist on pursuing the line “but how would you know it’s not a supernatural X with the same effect instead?” however, then you’re also arguing that there can be no such thing as knowledge. If that is your intention then we part company there.       
Pixies holding things up isn't a good example, as it has been disproved by the theory of gravity. Evolution from single celled organisms to everything is a better example, as the evidence is incomplete and is contradicted by the lack of transitional species such as two, three or ten-celled ones. So we can either believe that the incomplete TOE is true or that supernatural creation is true or that we just can't know or maybe one day we will know. We all put our faith in some explanation or another for how we got here.
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1: WHY is it not being discussed since natural behaviour in the context of human behaviour has been discussed before.
  Eh? Could you provide some context because still not seeing your point?
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You posted something very similar this morning. I asked what was your point. So I repeat, what's your point?
1: WHY is it not being discussed since natural behaviour in the context of human behaviour has been discussed before.
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Christian Topic / Re: Searching for GOD...
« Last post by ProfessorDavey on April 18, 2024, 06:12:55 PM »
The point is that the people who did witness the crucifixion , or knew it to have happend, would in general be unlikely to believe in the resurrection, because Jesus didn't physically appear to most of them. Hence why Christianity didn't 'spread like wildfire' among the Jews in Palestine.
Except that there is a claim that the resurrected Jesus appeared to 500 of them in one place. If you had been a witness to such an astonishing thing do you think you'd just mosey on home and mutter about the price of fish to your family and friends.

Of course not, you'd be telling everyone you knew (perhaps including plenty who might have witnessed the crucifixion or other purported 'miracles'). And they'd tell the people they know too. This news would have spread like wildfire. And given that elsewhere there are claims that thousands had been witnesses to other miracles, who surely would be highly receptive as they'd seen miracles too.

Given that the population of Judea was only about 100,000 you'd end up with a pretty sizeable proportion of that population as either first hand or second/third hand witnesses to claimed astonishing miracles.

Really weird that by and large they did not believe in the christian claims, did not follow Jesus, rejected the developing religion.

Almost as if there were no witnesses to the claimed events ... perhaps because they never happened as claims decades later by unknown writers, writing in far off places and in a different language from that spoken by the people around at the actual time and in the actual place where the events were claimed to have occurred.
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