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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2019, 11:08:58 AM »
It isn't much safer than smoking if apparently people have died due to vaping.
Would you agree that driving a car is safer than riding a motorcycle even though people do sometimes die driving cars?
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2019, 11:12:43 AM »
It isn't much safer than smoking if apparently people have died due to vaping.
So getting out of bed is as unsafe as rock climbing by this 'logic'.

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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2019, 11:25:02 AM »
So getting out of bed is as unsafe as rock climbing by this 'logic'.

As usual you are not comparing like with like. ::)
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2019, 11:26:24 AM »
As usual you are not comparing like with like. ::)

I was though. I made essentially the same point as NS but using two modes of motorised transport.
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2019, 11:31:33 AM »
Surely as vaping has been flagged up as having problems it would be better to avoid switching from one harmful thing to another?
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2019, 11:34:58 AM »
As usual you are not comparing like with like. ::)
You have the same grasp of logic as Boris Johnson has grasp of the truth.

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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2019, 11:35:01 AM »
Surely as vaping has been flagged up as having problems it would be better to avoid switching from one harmful thing to another?
Driving cars has been flagged up as having problems.

Getting out of bed has been flagged up as having problems.
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2019, 11:36:57 AM »
What exactly would be the point of comparing like with like? "Oh look! This table is just like a table!". The whole point of making comparisons is the the items comared are NOT alike!
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2019, 11:38:05 AM »
It isn't much safer than smoking if apparently people have died due to vaping.

Plain wrong.

While vaping is a recently developed alternative, and while for some it may involve risks, it is still much safer in terms of mortality rates from the range of health conditions associated with tobacco. This details below apply just to England were updated just 3 days ago and confirms that compared to vaping tobacco is by magnitudes far more dangerous.

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Smoking is the leading cause of premature death, killing 78,000 people in England each year. For every death caused by smoking, about 20 smokers are suffering from a smoking-related disease. In England in 2017 to 2018 there were an estimated 489,300 smoking-related admissions to hospital, equating to over 1,300 each day. One in 4 patients in hospital beds are smokers. Smokers also see their GP 35% more than non-smokers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/smoking-and-tobacco-applying-all-our-health/smoking-and-tobacco-applying-all-our-health


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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2019, 11:39:11 AM »
Surely as vaping has been flagged up as having problems it would be better to avoid switching from one harmful thing to another?
Giving up smoking is very difficult, so switching to something which satisfies the c raving, but is much less harmful (though not completely safe) makes sense. It isn't that hard to understand!
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2019, 11:45:38 AM »
People buried their heads in the sand when the dangers of smoking were first realised, it appears they are going to do the same about vaping.
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2019, 11:48:19 AM »
People buried their heads in the sand when the dangers of smoking were first realised, it appears they are going to do the same about vaping.
This isn't what anyone has said here.

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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2019, 11:56:10 AM »
I have had my say, so I will leave it at that.
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2019, 11:57:30 AM »
Giving up smoking is very difficult...

Nah, giving up smoking is really easy, I've done it hundreds of times...
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2019, 12:43:08 PM »
Yes, of course it is best to avoid both, but vaping is much safer than smoking, and is a good way of giving up.
I can see that vaping is a good route to quitting smoking but should only be seen as an interim step to stopping completely (smoking and vaping).

But I think there is a slightly unexpected phenomenon where people, particularly young people, take up vaping when they have never smoked. In that case even if vaping is less risky than smoking it is more risky than doing neither. I don't think people sufficiently predicted non-smokers taking up vaping and this needs to be addressed. I certainly think that allowing vaping to be portrayed as cool and trendy (rather than a safer alternative to, and route away from, smoking) is a problem. Vaping/e-cigarette marketing should never be allowed to attract non-smokers.

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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2019, 12:44:14 PM »
People buried their heads in the sand when the dangers of smoking were first realised, it appears they are going to do the same about vaping.

That is a gross oversimplification though: the risks may have been known to the tobacco companies decades ago but tobacco was heavily promoted via advertising and was portrayed as being a social norm for much of the 20th century, and many of us here will remember the TV commercials and recall that tobacco was treated as a core tax revenue stream - tobacco is addictive, and in effect people were encouraged to become addicts without realising the risks, and for addicts, once addicted, it isn't just as simple as making a choice not to smoke.

Now we know better, and we've removed advertising tobacco advertising and we legally disallow smoking in places where it was once seen as acceptable - but the legacy of addiction remains, and vaping does seem to have a role as a less dangerous alternative.   
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2019, 04:46:34 PM »
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Re: Vaping kills
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2019, 09:59:40 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50434755

Read the last two paragraphs of the article in particular and you'll see that it refers to some information that I've already provided.

It might be also worthwhile reading this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50436296
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