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The last straw, the power of the Zionists, or whatever else?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79e37nld1no

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Re: Lineker to leave BBC sooner than planned after antisemitism row
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2025, 09:26:39 AM »
The last straw, the power of the Zionists, or whatever else?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79e37nld1no
The power of the Zionists - they didn't exactly hide that they were gunning for him for criticising Israel's war crimes and they wanted to silence him or wanted him gone. They found an opportunity to play the anti-Semitism card and they aren't interested in apologies or that Lineker did not register the implications of the image of a rat.

The Zionist activists tried that with Greta Thunberg when she declared her support for Palestine and Gaza and there was an octopus soft toy in the background. The octopus was subsequently accused of being an antisemitic dog whistle by some due to its perceived resemblance to an antisemitic propaganda poster from World War II, leading Thunberg to deny it was meant to represent an anti-Jewish sentiment and was simply used as a comforting toy for neurodivergent people.

But it's not as though Lineker did not know the dangers of posting on social media - unfortunately he tripped up. Thems the breaks when you play in the social media world. But I have a lot of admiration for Lineker for criticising Zionist policies in relation to the Palestinians - it would not have been easy to be on the receiving end of all the Zionist social media pile- ons and being repeatedly called antisemitic.
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Re: Lineker to leave BBC sooner than planned after antisemitism row
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2025, 09:37:56 AM »
The power of the Zionists - they didn't exactly hide that they were gunning for him for criticising Israel's war crimes and they wanted to silence him or wanted him gone. They found an opportunity to play the anti-Semitism card and they aren't interested in apologies or that Lineker did not register the implications of the image of a rat.

The Zionist activists tried that with Greta Thunberg when she declared her support for Palestine and Gaza and there was an octopus soft toy in the background. The octopus was subsequently accused of being an antisemitic dog whistle by some due to its perceived resemblance to an antisemitic propaganda poster from World War II, leading Thunberg to deny it was meant to represent an anti-Jewish sentiment and was simply used as a comforting toy for neurodivergent people.

But it's not as though Lineker did not know the dangers of posting on social media - unfortunately he tripped up. Thems the breaks when you play in the social media world. But I have a lot of admiration for Lineker for criticising Zionist policies in relation to the Palestinians - it would not have been easy to be on the receiving end of all the Zionist social media pile- ons and being repeatedly called antisemitic.

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Re: Lineker to leave BBC sooner than planned after antisemitism row
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2025, 11:24:17 AM »
I must admit that I find myself puzzled by acusations that "antisemitism" means "anti-jewish" or "anti-Israel".

"Semitic" is a linguistic term relating to a regional group of languages. Both Hebrew and Arabic are members of this group (as is Maltese). Why is criticism of the horrifying treatment of innocent Palestinian families living in Gaza by the Israeli military termed "antisemitic" when all the people involved are Semites?
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Re: Lineker to leave BBC sooner than planned after antisemitism row
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2025, 01:21:41 PM »
I must admit that I find myself puzzled by acusations that "antisemitism" means "anti-jewish" or "anti-Israel".

"Semitic" is a linguistic term relating to a regional group of languages. Both Hebrew and Arabic are members of this group (as is Maltese). Why is criticism of the horrifying treatment of innocent Palestinian families living in Gaza by the Israeli military termed "antisemitic" when all the people involved are Semites?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

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Re: Lineker to leave BBC sooner than planned after antisemitism row
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2025, 01:25:31 PM »
I must admit that I find myself puzzled by acusations that "antisemitism" means "anti-jewish" or "anti-Israel".

"Semitic" is a linguistic term relating to a regional group of languages. Both Hebrew and Arabic are members of this group (as is Maltese). Why is criticism of the horrifying treatment of innocent Palestinian families living in Gaza by the Israeli military termed "antisemitic" when all the people involved are Semites?
You are, of course, correct in a historic context - but anti-semitism has come to mean anti-jewish in more recent times and that seems to be its current accepted definition.

But there is a difference between being anti-semitic (anti-jewish) and being anti Israel, or anti the current Israeli government and its policies. There are plenty of people who are themselves jewish who are strongly against the current policies of the Israeli government. They are most definitely not anti-semitic in my view.

But I do think there is a level of disingenuousness on both sides. Firstly, and most notably, people who throw around accusation of anti-semitism, in an attempt to silence criticism, when an individual is opposed to current Israeli policy. But I also think there are people who are genuinely anti-semitic who hide behind the notion of just being against Israel or just against current Israeli policy when they have a generalised prejudice against jewish people.
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