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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2015, 07:59:50 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2015, 08:31:57 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2015, 09:25:49 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2015, 09:27:55 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2015, 10:09:35 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2015, 10:10:03 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2015, 10:11:43 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2015, 10:41:31 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2015, 11:13:25 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #59 on: September 12, 2015, 12:13:37 AM »
Globally atheism has been in decline for some time and shows no signs of reversing that trend. So I don't think it's good idea for all scientists to be part of that decline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html

http://www.rzim.eu/biography-john-lennox

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2015, 12:50:15 AM »
Globally atheism has been in decline for some time and shows no signs of reversing that trend. So I don't think it's good idea for all scientists to be part of that decline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html

http://www.rzim.eu/biography-john-lennox

What a load of utter drivel.  He says things like this:

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For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach...

He may call it simplistic, but it is true. He calls himself a scientist?  He really should be ashamed of himself.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2015, 01:40:51 AM »
jeremy,
You seem so hostile, so militant, and you're not even a scientist.


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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2015, 05:17:28 AM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2015, 07:41:07 AM »
Globally atheism has been in decline for some time and shows no signs of reversing that trend. So I don't think it's good idea for all scientists to be part of that decline.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1308599/Stephen-Hawking-wrong-You-explain-universe-God.html

http://www.rzim.eu/biography-john-lennox

What a load of utter drivel.  He says things like this:

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For years, other scientists have made similar claims, maintaining that the awesome, sophisticated creativity of the world around us can be interpreted solely by reference to physical laws such as gravity.

It is a simplistic approach...

He may call it simplistic, but it is true. He calls himself a scientist?  He really should be ashamed of himself.

He's a mathematician isn't he?

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2015, 11:55:05 AM »

He's a mathematician isn't he?

I stand corrected.  So a non scientist presumes to tell one of the greatest scientists of the age how to do science.  The article has so many obvious flaws, even I could do a pretty good hatchet job on it.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2015, 12:31:56 PM »
If you have the time to spare I wish you would, JP  ;D
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2015, 01:32:44 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2015, 01:46:31 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2015, 01:47:47 PM »
Any chance that you two could consider those on here with screen readers, and stop this?

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2015, 01:47:55 PM »
Leave it!

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2015, 01:49:41 PM »
By now I think it's making a quite attractive Cubist-type image - the alternation of the pale blue and the light grey are very relaxing to the eyes.

Vlad's still wrong, though.
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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2015, 01:50:15 PM »


Not really - the discussion is about how and where religion interferes with scientific practice and understanding. The fact that someone can be a pioneer in a religiously contentious scientific area and still be religious themselves shows that the cognitive dissonance doesn't preclude capacity.
There is no cognitive dissonance.
No there isn't - cognitive dissonance is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and feeling discomfort because of it.

What we have here is cognitive dissonance's half-brother, doublethink, which is holding two contradictory and incompatible ideas and suffering no discomfort.
There is no contradiction nor incompatabilty.
Yes there is.
No there isn't.
Yes there is.
No there isn;t
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't
Yes there is.
No there isn't

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2015, 01:56:50 PM »
But not to those who use screen readers like Jim and Susan Doris.

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2015, 02:05:59 PM »
By now I think it's making a quite attractive Cubist-type image - the alternation of the pale blue and the light grey are very relaxing to the eyes.

Vlad's still wrong, though.
No I'm not.

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Re: "All scientists should be militant atheists"
« Reply #74 on: September 12, 2015, 02:15:05 PM »
By now I think it's making a quite attractive Cubist-type image - the alternation of the pale blue and the light grey are very relaxing to the eyes.

Vlad's still wrong, though.
No I'm not.
Of course you are - you make a habit of it. Science and religion are incompatible, requiring a huge dose of doublethink to be held in the same brain at the same time.
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