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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2015, 11:53:21 AM »
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No doubt African safaris, and hunting in general, is worthy of discussion: but not on a thread about YEC's.

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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2015, 12:35:57 PM »
I am not sure how YECs calculate their young earth scenario?
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2015, 12:54:33 PM »
I am not sure how YECs calculate their young earth scenario?

A random number generator?
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2015, 01:00:48 PM »
The classic is Ussher detailed in link but as it makes clear it is not the only one, though they do tend to use similar methodology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2015, 01:06:11 PM »
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As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2015, 01:13:25 PM »
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As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

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The SuperBullshitFilter was never designed to deal with the quantities that it is being asked to deal with on the forum - read the bloody guarantee!
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2015, 01:22:51 PM »
The classic is Ussher detailed in link but as it makes clear it is not the only one, though they do tend to use similar methodology.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

Thanks. We live in the 21st century not the 17th, and human knowledge has moved on a pace, which makes a literal interpretation of the Bible well out of date, imo.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2015, 01:59:14 PM »

As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

Are you really telling us that you actually believe this?

So, am I to accept that you also believe that a mass of people, about the size of the South Yorkshire conurbation, wandered about the Sinai peninisular for about 40 years without leaving a single scrap of evidence?

Not even a single coprolite?
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2015, 02:06:29 PM »

As I said God created an mature earth. He also made mature adults. At a day old Adam was a man of years.
It seems so weird how people fail to realise that the earths age physically does not represent the age by scientist.
Because the physical age was not the age it took to create it.

Are you really telling us that you actually believe this?

So, am I to accept that you also believe that a mass of people, about the size of the South Yorkshire conurbation, wandered about the Sinai peninisular for about 40 years without leaving a single scrap of evidence?

Not even a single coprolite?
Wouldn't that be a '' single crap of evidence''?

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2015, 02:21:04 PM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2015, 02:30:24 PM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

Because "mutate" and "evolve" are two entirely different things.
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2015, 08:00:39 PM »
I am not sure how YECs calculate their young earth scenario?
You do it by constructing a time line of Biblical events from the creation of Adam to a historical event that happened in a known year e.g. the fall of Jerusalem. Here is one http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/age.html

If the Bible was inerrant, that would give you the age of the Universe.
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2015, 08:43:51 PM »
I am not sure how YECs calculate their young earth scenario?
You do it by constructing a time line of Biblical events from the creation of Adam to a historical event that happened in a known year e.g. the fall of Jerusalem. Here is one http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/age.html

If the Bible was inerrant, that would give you the age of the Universe.

That, Sir, is, if you don't mind me saying so, is a bloody big "if"!
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2015, 11:13:50 PM »
I am not sure how YECs calculate their young earth scenario?
You do it by constructing a time line of Biblical events from the creation of Adam to a historical event that happened in a known year e.g. the fall of Jerusalem. Here is one http://www.rejectionofpascalswager.net/age.html

If the Bible was inerrant, that would give you the age of the Universe.

That, Sir, is, if you don't mind me saying so, is a bloody big "if"!
I don't mind. It's obviously bollocks, but it is how it's done.
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2015, 12:27:20 AM »
I think evolution is an on going process, who knows what humans will be like in centuries to come?
Extinct, almost certainly.  Almost everything will be extinct.  In 50 million years the earth will be dominated by the descendants of some obscure bird or something.

The Discovery programme that I saw suggested intelligent amphibious squids.
Come to think of it, that seems much likelier.  They could have 4 legs, 2 arms and 2 wings.

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2015, 03:07:18 AM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

Lions and Jaguars have a common ancestor and have evolved to be genetically different but are genetically similar enough to interbreed and give jaglion hybrids. Why do you think this shouldn't be possible?

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2015, 03:08:49 AM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

Lions and Jaguars have a common ancestor and have evolved to be genetically different but are genetically similar enough to interbreed and give jaglion hybrids. Why do you think this shouldn't be possible?

Maeght

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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2015, 03:30:58 AM »
Yes, afraid so.

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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2015, 03:58:20 AM »
Yes, afraid so.

Commiserations - fellow sufferer.
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2015, 07:53:47 AM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

Lions and Jaguars have a common ancestor and have evolved to be genetically different but are genetically similar enough to interbreed and give jaglion hybrids. Why do you think this shouldn't be possible?
I don't think it shouldn't be possible. If the most recent common ancestor lived a few thousand years ago it seems possible, but it is surprising if it lived 1.8 mya.
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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2015, 08:17:50 AM »
Yes, afraid so.

Commiserations - fellow sufferer.

Thanks, same back to you.

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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2015, 08:20:32 AM »
Junk Post says  Theory of Evolution is true..but we have to save the lion/tiger/elephant/and uncle tom cobbly and all because evolution seems to have stopped.

 but did it ever start  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

A point about the timescales for evolution. Modern lions in Africa and jaguars in central and southern America are supposedly separated by 2-3 million years of evolution. How is it possible that their mutated DNA allows them to hybridize?

Lions and Jaguars have a common ancestor and have evolved to be genetically different but are genetically similar enough to interbreed and give jaglion hybrids. Why do you think this shouldn't be possible?
I don't think it shouldn't be possible. If the most recent common ancestor lived a few thousand years ago it seems possible, but it is surprising if it lived 1.8 may.

So you don't think it shouldn't be possible yet say it is surprising to you. So personal incredulity. Not realy much of a point then really.

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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2015, 08:27:25 AM »
I don't think you read what I wrote.

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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2015, 08:32:10 AM »
I think I did. Perhaps the way you wrote it didn't put across your meaning. So just to clarify

Do you think it is possible?

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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2015, 08:44:21 AM »
Copy that. To clarify, I think it shouldn't be possible if their most recent common ancestor lived a couple of million years ago.