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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #50 on: November 22, 2015, 04:42:03 PM »
Shaker, I'm not sure that you get much 'higher' on the 'real world harm stakes' (whatever they might be) than ISIS do on YouTube and social media.
That's what I was referring to in #30. The higher is the harm they do to real people who are not sitting behind a keyboard scrolling through Facebook. Shooting them or blowing them up, for example.

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I've also seen some pretty vicious postings from non-religious people on sites like Facebook, Twitter and internet discussion boards.
Hm, because that's a fair comparison with ISIS, isn't it?
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« Reply #51 on: November 22, 2015, 04:50:54 PM »
Have you got his picture on your wall as well, Rose?

 ;D

No, I think my hubby would object  ;)

I like the way he says what he thinks, but isn't anti religion.

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Einstein saw God as a useful metaphor, saying that physics helped man know the mind of God, but Richard Dawkins criticises this use of the word as it has too much cultural baggage. Where does Cox stand?
“I’m more practical about it. There is a lot of goodwill toward scientists among the religious communities in this country. I met the Dean of Guildford Cathedral when I was an atheist on a panel and we got on well. After that I took him to Cern and we became good friends. I also recently got invited to the Archbishop of Canterbury’s house because he liked Wonders of the Solar System.”
And? “Rowan Williams is a very thoughtful man. If you want to move society forward in a more rational direction, religious leaders can be useful because they share that view. Setting yourself up as anti-religion is not helpful. You can set yourself up as anti-maniac, that’s different. So it’s OK to say that if you believe the world was created 6,000 years ago, as the Creationists do, then you are an idiot. There is nothing wrong in saying that because you are an idiot. But setting yourself up as an atheist who is against all religion is not a battle that needs to be fought.”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/8330863/Brian-Cox-Im-not-anti-religion.-Im-anti-maniac.html


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« Reply #52 on: November 22, 2015, 05:32:19 PM »
Rose

Thank you for your reply. He certainly does not confuse facts with unsubstantiated opinions - it would be a compromise with truth, and he does not do that!
I have had another chapter of his 'Human Universe' read to me this afternoon* and it was about whether we are alone in the universe; superbly written and facts from start to finish.

*by my older son.
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« Reply #53 on: November 22, 2015, 05:58:55 PM »
Rose

Thank you for your reply. He certainly does not confuse facts with unsubstantiated opinions - it would be a compromise with truth, and he does not do that!
I have had another chapter of his 'Human Universe' read to me this afternoon* and it was about whether we are alone in the universe; superbly written and facts from start to finish.

*by my older son.

I might get that  :)

I like his approach and enthusiasm

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« Reply #54 on: November 22, 2015, 06:34:02 PM »
That's what I was referring to in #30. The higher is the harm they do to real people who are not sitting behind a keyboard scrolling through Facebook. Shooting them or blowing them up, for example.
So, you regard radicalisation, acheived through social media and other such feeds as of less importance or seriousness than being shot at/blown up,etc.  Surely, they are eqwually serious, just in different spheres of reality?

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Hm, because that's a fair comparison with ISIS, isn't it?
Yup; they were posts and comments by terrorist groups and other comparable groups.  One site I used to belong to was hacked and we were 'treated' to anti-capitalist rhetoric and threats to the safety of the countries that the hackers believed we lived in (it turned out to be some ultra-radical US-based anti-capitalist organisation that I'd never heard of, but one or two of the Americans on the site had).

I have also see posts on Facebook that I've been told, by those in the know, are from Indian extremist left-wing groupings - generally claiming to be more Maoist in nature than anything else - who have been threatening the lives of people of both religious and non-religious persuasion.  It's what comes of having a number of my Facebook friends based in the sub-continent.
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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #55 on: November 22, 2015, 06:36:33 PM »
So, you regard radicalisation, acheived through social media and other such feeds as of less importance or seriousness than being shot at/blown up,etc.
Yes. A radical has a chance of changing his mind. Corpses stay dead.
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« Reply #56 on: November 22, 2015, 06:37:00 PM »
I have had another chapter of his 'Human Universe' read to me this afternoon* and it was about whether we are alone in the universe; superbly written and facts from start to finish.
Are there any 'facts' in this area, Susan?
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« Reply #57 on: November 22, 2015, 06:43:08 PM »
Yes. A radical has a chance of changing his mind. Corpses stay dead.
Do you know how many Western Muslims, who have been radicalised before travelling to the Middle East, have changed their minds either before travelling or once they get there?  I believe that there have been some, but not many - especially amongst those who have already arrived in the Middle East.  Its partly why radicalisation is so serious - changing one's mind isn't often considered.
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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2015, 06:43:59 PM »
Do you know how many Western Muslims, who have been radicalised before travelling to the Middle East, have changed their minds either before travelling or once they get there?  I believe that there have been some, but not many - especially amongst those who have already arrived in the Middle East.  Its partly why radicalisation is so serious - changing one's mind isn't often considered.
Not many things are as serious as being dead.
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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #59 on: November 23, 2015, 07:44:15 AM »
Do you know how many Western Muslims, who have been radicalised before travelling to the Middle East, have changed their minds either before travelling or once they get there?  I believe that there have been some, but not many - especially amongst those who have already arrived in the Middle East.  Its partly why radicalisation is so serious - changing one's mind isn't often considered.
How would we know how many changed their mind before travelling.

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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #60 on: November 24, 2015, 07:14:45 AM »
Brian Cox supported Tim Hunt so what does he know?

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« Reply #61 on: November 24, 2015, 07:37:21 AM »
Brian Cox supported Tim Hunt so what does he know?

Quite a lot actually!

Good for him!

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Destroying  72 year old men's careers for making politically incorrect jokes is OTT IMO.

It shows how vindictive some people can be ..............

Universities are well known it seems for being OTT

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/political-correctness-debate-over-whether-it-has-gone-too-far-rages-at-universities-from-cambridge-a6734086.html
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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #62 on: November 24, 2015, 07:42:41 AM »
Brian Cox supported Tim Hunt so what does he know?

An ad hom this early in the morning?

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« Reply #63 on: November 24, 2015, 07:49:34 AM »
An ad hom this early in the morning?

It's a man!

Supporting another man!

 Therefore in some eyes it qualifies   ;)

Oh! I forgot radical feminists don't call them men now, it's " a person without a uterus"



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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2015, 07:53:59 AM »
It's a man!

Supporting another man!

 Therefore in some eyes it qualifies   ;)

Oh! I forgot radical feminists don't call them men now, it's " a person without a uterus"
ironically, that too reads like an ad hom

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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2015, 07:56:27 AM »
ironically, that too reads like an ad hom

It's a critique  ;)

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Re: Brian Cox
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2015, 08:07:33 AM »
I've started a thread on feminism, so this one doesn't get derailed   :D



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