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Re: Bringing Christianity into disrepute!
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2015, 01:08:15 PM »
No, that's why I'm here, as I don't like zoos and they won't let you do the shilling tour of the asylums any more.

Yes, I know from past references that you liked to visit asylums.  I suppose you felt comfortable in the environment.    :)
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« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2015, 02:48:05 PM »
It is a limited vocabulary which means people cannot express themselves so substitute with swear words. ;D

Other people use swear words as an expression of anger and annoyance.
But there is always a time and place for that.

Sass? you can make sense, I agree with you, but the world changes as time goes by and swearing is no longer frowned on by our newer generation and when you think about it they are only words, I still don't like to see or hear them, after the third swear word here in my home, I start to think about if I want this person here or not.

I still don't expect anyone to exclaim 'oh what a nuisance I've hit my thumb with a hammer', so as you say Sass there's a time and place.

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« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2015, 11:45:40 AM »
I found this on another forum. Talk about bringing Christianity into disrepute and then some! >:(


Evangelist Calls On Christians To Assassinate Abortion Providers

Popular Facebook evangelist Joshua Feuerstein calls on Christians to “punish Planned Parenthood” and make abortion providers fear for their life.

The obnoxious but popular Christian evangelist Joshua Feuerstein published the following video to his Facebook page on July 29:

Planned Parenthood has hunted down millions and millions of little innocent babies, stuck a knife into the uterus, cut them, pulled them out, crushed their skull with forceps, ripped their body apart, sold their tissue, and threw them bleeding into a trash bin.

I say, tonight, we punish Planned Parenthood. I think it’s time that abortion doctors should have to run and hide and be afraid for their life.

 After a Christian terrorist shot and killed two civilians and a police officer and injured nine others at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs on Friday, Feuerstein removed the despicable call to violence from his Facebook page.

The video is important because it demonstrates a dangerous and radical strain of Christian extremism that enjoys considerable popularity, and is part of a much larger campaign waged by conservative Christians within the Republican party to demonize abortion providers and Planned Parenthood. 

Feuerstein, a former pastor who calls himself a “social media personality,” is no stranger to making controversial and dangerous statements. Feuerstein was behind the recent Christian freak out over Starbucks’ alleged “anti-Jesus” red holiday cups.

Even more alarming, last year Feuerstein encouraged Christians to fight same-sex marriage with guns.

Feuerstein may be an ignorant and ugly religious zealot, but with over 1.8 million Facebook followers his influence should not be underestimated. And while it is unclear whether or not the Christian terrorist behind the recent attack on Planned Parenthood was directly influenced by Feuerstein’s dangerous call to action, there can be no doubt that the video feeds and encourages the dangerous climate that makes terrorist acts against Planned Parenthood not only likely, but inevitable.

Bottom line: Feuerstein is a Christian terrorist promoting Christian terrorism.

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2015, 02:47:44 PM »
I found this on another forum. Talk about bringing Christianity into disrepute and then some! >:(
I think the selling of aborted body parts (without permission) that PP has been accused of brings the organization, perhaps even society if it condones the action, no less into disrepute.
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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2015, 02:49:42 PM »
"No less" than threatening murder to medical people doing their lawful job?

Literally no less?

Are you serious?
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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2015, 02:52:42 PM »
I think the selling of aborted body parts (without permission) that PP has been accused of brings the organization, perhaps even society if it condones the action, no less into disrepute.

You mean the accusation that so far on all investigations been found to be false? What about editing videos to misrepresent PP?

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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2015, 02:53:57 PM »
"No less" than threatening murder to medical people doing their lawful job?

Literally no less?

Are you serious?

You have to remember Hope regards everything that is a 'sin' as equivalent.

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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2015, 02:54:59 PM »
You have to remember Hope regards everything that is a 'sin' as equivalent.
He has his religion to "thank" for that.
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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2015, 03:08:32 PM »
You mean the accusation that so far on all investigations been found to be false? What about editing videos to misrepresent PP?
From what I've seen from a variety of sources, there is evidence for both sides of the argument. 

From the BBC article on the shooting at the Colorado abortion clinic:

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Planned Parenthood has been the focus of protests recently after an anti-abortion organisation secretly recorded a Planned Parenthood official discussing how to obtain aborted foetal tissue for medical research.

Pro-life advocates say this proves Planned Parenthood is selling foetal parts for profit - which is illegal - but this is disputed by the organisation.
Its worth remembering that PP have been the focus of protests and investigations over a number of years.
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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2015, 03:10:38 PM »
You have to remember Hope regards everything that is a 'sin' as equivalent.
Wrong, I regard them as equal.  That isn't to say that I don't believe that the punishment meted out may well need to be different from society's perspective, but I follow God's way of thinking - that wrong is wrong.
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« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2015, 03:12:38 PM »
Seems to lack perspective or any sense of nuance, this god chap of yours.
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« Reply #61 on: December 03, 2015, 03:14:47 PM »
From what I've seen from a variety of sources, there is evidence for both sides of the argument. 

From the BBC article on the shooting at the Colorado abortion clinic:
Its worth remembering that PP have been the focus of protests and investigations over a number of years.

I wasn't talking about people saying there is or is not evidence but that the House of Representatives investigation that was held found the accusation not proved. There are further investigations but accusations in themselves are not evidence.

The original videos were edited so given your belief that every sin is equivalent and this would be a form.of lying, you presumably think those accusing PP are at least as bad a murdering paedophile.

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« Reply #62 on: December 03, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »
Wrong, I regard them as equal.  That isn't to say that I don't believe that the punishment meted out may well need to be different from society's perspective, but I follow God's way of thinking - that wrong is wrong.

See definition 1
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/equivalent

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« Reply #63 on: December 03, 2015, 03:17:25 PM »
Wrong, I regard them as equal.  That isn't to say that I don't believe that the punishment meted out may well need to be different from society's perspective, but I follow God's way of thinking - that wrong is wrong.

Wow, claiming to know what God thinks...that's quite something.


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« Reply #64 on: December 03, 2015, 03:20:06 PM »
The original videos were edited so given your belief that every sin is equivalent and this would be a form.of lying, you presumably think those accusing PP are at least as bad a murdering paedophile.
Well, both have done wrong.  Neither have done partial wrong, or partial right.  The same applies to PP if they are proven to have broken the law which they have been in previous situations, by the way.  Wrong is wrong, but society decides to punish different wrongs differently.  In other words, the difference is in the punishment not in the fact of wrong having been committed.
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« Reply #65 on: December 03, 2015, 03:20:53 PM »
Wow, claiming to know what God thinks...that's quite something.
Well, one only has to read what Jesus taught to know what God thought - after all, they are one and the same.
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« Reply #66 on: December 03, 2015, 03:21:53 PM »
Wow, claiming to know what God thinks...that's quite something.

It amuses me when people claim to know what the deity, who might not exist, is thinking!

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« Reply #67 on: December 03, 2015, 03:22:12 PM »
Well, both have done wrong.  Neither have done partial wrong, or partial right.  The same applies to PP if they are proven to have broken the law which they have been in previous situations, by the way.  Wrong is wrong, but society decides to punish different wrongs differently.  In other words, the difference is in the punishment not in the fact of wrong having been committed.

And because society punishes things differently it judges them to be neither equal or equivalent.

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« Reply #68 on: December 03, 2015, 03:22:41 PM »
See definition 1
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/equivalent

So right
OK, NS, I'll give you that, but notice the first word that occurs in that definition   ;)
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« Reply #69 on: December 03, 2015, 03:22:47 PM »
Well, one only has to read what Jesus taught to know what God thought - after all, they are one and the same.
Does the same apply to the Koran as a record of what God thinks?
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« Reply #70 on: December 03, 2015, 03:23:22 PM »
And because society punishes things differently it judges them to be either equal or equivalent.
NS, what comes first, the conviction or sentence?  Does a court use a different word to refer to a murderer's misdeed to, say, a liar's misdeed.  No, the word used in every such case is either innocent or guilty.
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2015, 03:24:37 PM »
OK, NS, I'll give you that, but notice the first word that occurs in that definition   ;)

What? Equal ?

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« Reply #72 on: December 03, 2015, 03:27:23 PM »
Does the same apply to the Koran as a record of what God thinks?
Which member of the Islamic 'hierarchy' claims to be God?
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« Reply #73 on: December 03, 2015, 03:28:29 PM »
Which member of the Islamic 'hierarchy' claims to be God?
None - but it's in the nature of claims that that's all they are ... just claims.
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« Reply #74 on: December 03, 2015, 03:28:51 PM »
NS, what comes first, the conviction or sentence?

The conviction, so what? They are not treated as equal or equivalent. Further even using that, what actually comes first is the law making at which time they are not treated as equal or equivalent and within that there is a further categorisation of something being a civil or criminal wrong as another way of not treating things as equal or equivalent.