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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2015, 06:39:26 PM »
Nothing wrong with that.
Apart from the fact that it's utter crap; entirely unevidenced and completely self-serving madey-uppy ad hoc twaddle drafted in to shore up a creaking, hole-ridden baseless argument.
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More acceptable than your sterile view of life
What's sterile about it?
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denouncing anything that doesn't fit into your narrow views.
Make sure you understand the difference between 'denouncing' and 'disagreeing with,' as you seem to be eliding them here.
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You are the archetypal egotist.
If you were as wonderful as I am, so would you be ;)
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2015, 06:48:35 PM »

 the reason that you can't see God (unlike me), is 1) because you are blinded by evil; 2) you are stupid; 3) you are saturated in philosophical materialism; 4) you are hidden, etc.

It's really saying that you should be like me.
a Ha a bit of the old Wigginhallian clarity before Bluehillside revealed, asthmatically, that He was your ''father.''

I've never seen a believer on this or any other post declare that others were ''stupid''. That is a Dawkinsian ploy.

For those who saturate themselves in philosophical materialism my question....and yours Wiggs is why? Given it's massive internal contradiction and trouble with establishing what Armstrong refers to as Virtue.
 The hiddenness thing that gets you is obscure to me and something that I've only seen in Christian mysticism. At the moment I view atheist arguments against God because of hiddenness are merely complaints that he cannot be put at the business end of a telescope or microscope.

I look forward to The wigginhall guide to the Hiddenness argument.

As for Turd the Barbarian or whatever he calls himself these days,
Turds objections are, as usual unpolished.

Yes when a catholic disagrees with Dawkins Turd may think it's catholic shite but he should be more concerned with the mountain of atheist objections to Dawkins which, I guess we have to refer to now as ''Atheist shite''.



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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2015, 06:56:30 PM »
a Ha a bit of the old Wigginhallian clarity before Bluehillside revealed, asthmatically, that He was your ''father.''

I've never seen a believer on this or any other post declare that others were ''stupid''. That is a Dawkinsian ploy.

For those who saturate themselves in philosophical materialism my question....and yours Wiggs is why? Given it's massive internal contradiction and trouble with establishing what Armstrong refers to as Virtue.
 The hiddenness thing that gets you is obscure to me and something that I've only seen in Christian mysticism. At the moment I view atheist arguments against God because of hiddenness are merely complaints that he cannot be put at the business end of a telescope or microscope.

I look forward to The wigginhall guide to the Hiddenness argument.

As for Turd the Barbarian or whatever he calls himself these days,
Turds objections are, as usual unpolished.

Yes when a catholic disagrees with Dawkins Turd may think it's catholic shite but he should be more concerned with the mountain of atheist objections to Dawkins which, I guess we have to refer to now as ''Atheist shite''.
I thought you were Turd the Barbarian!!!

Who are you? What was your original name?

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2015, 07:01:14 PM »
I thought you were Turd the Barbarian!!!

Who are you? What was your original name?
I'm afraid my original name is shrouded in inscrutable Hiddenness.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2015, 07:05:40 PM »
I thought you were Turd the Barbarian!!!

Who are you? What was your original name?
Vlad, Chunstinator, any number of them.


Thrud, is Farmer Geddon and many others

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2015, 07:13:59 PM »
Apart from the fact that it's utter crap; entirely unevidenced and completely self-serving madey-uppy ad hoc twaddle drafted in to shore up a creaking, hole-ridden baseless argument.What's sterile about it?Make sure you understand the difference between 'denouncing' and 'disagreeing with,' as you seem to be eliding them here.If you were as wonderful as I am, so would you be ;)

Hi Shaky.  What a lot of unhinged tosh!  When are you giving King Kong his brain back!    :D
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2015, 07:15:57 PM »
a Ha a bit of the old Wigginhallian clarity before Bluehillside revealed, asthmatically, that He was your ''father.''

I've never seen a believer on this or any other post declare that others were ''stupid''. That is a Dawkinsian ploy.


only took 4 posts for Bash after your post on this thread to call someone unhinged and having the brain of King Kong.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2015, 07:16:28 PM »
Hi Shaky.  What a lot of unhinged tosh!  When are you giving King Kong his brain back!    :D
This responding to posts business ... for you it's very much something that other people do, isn't it?
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2015, 07:20:33 PM »
This responding to posts business ... for you it's very much something that other people do, isn't it?

I respond to posts that are in some way relevant; or original.  You never meet these requirements these days.  Even your weather posts are facile, and that about sums it up.
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2015, 07:25:17 PM »
I respond to posts that are in some way relevant; or original.  You never meet these requirements these days.  Even your weather posts are facile, and that about sums it up.
The post was relevant - to wiggy's earlier points in #13, #15 and #21. Perhaps you have something to add to the subject of the thread?
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2015, 07:28:35 PM »
The post was relevant - to wiggy's earlier points in #13, #15 and #21. Perhaps you have something to add to the subject of the thread

The fact is, Shaky, if I were to give two pence for your thoughts, I'd need change back!     
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2015, 07:33:52 PM »
The fact is, Shaky, if I were to give two pence for your thoughts, I'd need change back!   
Clearly nothing, then.
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2015, 07:38:04 PM »
Clearly nothing, then.

No thoughts, I guess!    :D
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2015, 07:39:35 PM »
No thoughts, I guess!    :D
That's the conclusion I had formed at post #30.
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2015, 07:42:06 PM »
That's the conclusion I had formed at post #30.

"Conclusion"?  Great!  Now you can go: at last!    8)
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2015, 08:05:31 PM »
only took 4 posts for Bash after your post on this thread to call someone unhinged and having the brain of King Kong.
Er Wigginhall was referring to reasons for belief and disbelief. Since nobody gets to heaven on intelligence nobody is excluded from God's presence on grounds of stupidity.

For Dawkins intelligence is all, atheism equals intelligence. Therefore...as he is not tired of telling us ,believers are stupid......Let's not forget the number of people on this forum who come whenever his name is mentioned.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2015, 08:09:14 PM »
Er Wigginhall was referring to reasons for belief and disbelief. Since nobody gets to heaven on intelligence nobody is excluded from God's presence on grounds of stupidity.

For Dawkins intelligence is all, atheism equals intelligence. Therefore...as he is not tired of telling us ,believers are stupid......Let's not forget the number of people on this forum who come whenever his name is mentioned.


And you wrote


'I've never seen a believer on this or any other post declare that others were ''stupid''. That is a Dawkinsian ploy.'


Which is an open statement not restricted in the way you seek to change it to.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2015, 08:10:53 PM »

And you wrote


'I've never seen a believer on this or any other post declare that others were ''stupid''. That is a Dawkinsian ploy.'


Which is an open statement not restricted in the way you seek to change it to.
Context dear boy, context.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2015, 08:12:06 PM »
Context dear boy, context.

Exactly ' this and any other post', context and English, as she is wrote.
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2015, 08:43:53 PM »
I wasn't talking about this forum anyway.  There is a website called 'atheists are idiots', and another one which gives 5 reasons 'why atheism is stupid'. 

http://thereforegodexists.com/5-reasons-atheism-stupid-2/

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2015, 09:32:01 PM »
Nothing wrong with that.

You think?

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More acceptable than your sterile view of life:  denouncing anything that doesn't fit into your narrow views.

There's a huge gulf between 'not accepting anything that doesn't fit a narrow view' and 'accepting any baseless tosh that's ejaculated by a fevered bronze age mind'. What I find truly remarkable is how you decide on exactly which of the equally baseless pieces of ancient fantasy literature you're going to accept as true.

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You are the archetypal egotist.

Yes, we're the egotists, we're the ones that think the entirety of reality was created especially for us... Oh, wait, no that's... hang on...

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2015, 09:36:08 PM »
For those who saturate themselves in philosophical materialism my question....and yours Wiggs is why?

You're posting a question because you think people are out there. Why? Because of the evidence of your senses and the consistent reality they appear to reflect. That's why you accept material, that's why we do, that's why everybody does.

What you mean is why is that all you accept - well, because there's no obvious reason to accept anything else.

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Given it's massive internal contradiction and trouble with establishing what Armstrong refers to as Virtue.

If you're going to use it, you're going to have to explain what Armstrong means by 'Virtue'.

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The hiddenness thing that gets you is obscure to me and something that I've only seen in Christian mysticism. At the moment I view atheist arguments against God because of hiddenness are merely complaints that he cannot be put at the business end of a telescope or microscope.

Or, indeed, anything else. It's almost like he's not actually there...

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Yes when a catholic disagrees with Dawkins Turd may think it's catholic shite but he should be more concerned with the mountain of atheist objections to Dawkins which, I guess we have to refer to now as ''Atheist shite''.

Except that in the main those 'atheist objections to Dawkins' are typically about his manner and his politics, not his dismissal of the notion of gods as unevidenced assertion which needn't be accepted.

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #47 on: November 30, 2015, 09:41:58 PM »
You think?

There's a huge gulf between 'not accepting anything that doesn't fit a narrow view' and 'accepting any baseless tosh that's ejaculated by a fevered bronze age mind'. What I find truly remarkable is how you decide on exactly which of the equally baseless pieces of ancient fantasy literature you're going to accept as true.

Yes, we're the egotists, we're the ones that think the entirety of reality was created especially for us... Oh, wait, no that's... hang on...

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Yes, got that bit exactly right. I'm surprised you admit it, but congratulations on your honesty, so rare amongst atheists on here.    :)
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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2015, 09:47:02 PM »
Yes, got that bit exactly right. I'm surprised you admit it, but congratulations on your honesty, so rare amongst atheists on here.    :)

I should have realised that evolution would ensure that eventually nutjobbery would develop an immunity to irony...

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Re: The No argument argument.
« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2015, 09:48:25 PM »
I should have realised that evolution would ensure that eventually nutjobbery would develop an immunity to irony...

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Supercilious, cheap, shot.
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