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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2015, 01:11:29 AM »
Don't be bloody sillier than you can help!

Paganism was virtually unknown until the 1950's when the revival started!

You Christians are really far too quick the try and share the responsibility for the barbarism of some sects of Christrianity which, by association, taint you all!

I see. An angry Jew, who happens to be a pagan but won't admit that there were pagans who also persecuted Jews. Anyway, you've only been going on about it for the last 70 years, using it as an excuse to persecute other people, mainly Palestinians, and being the puppetmaster behind all the other troubles in the Middle-East in the name of a greater Israel. Well, I would not shed a tear if Israel (and it's puppet the USA) was to all of a sudden cease to exist. We can only hope.
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« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2015, 08:44:27 AM »
It needed a revival because Christianity tried to wipe it out!

Indeed. Paganism is the worship of idols and demons. Modern adherents don't even believe in the gods they honour. It's the most stupidest thing ever.
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« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2015, 09:12:00 AM »
Paganism is the worship of idols and demons. Modern adherents don't even believe in the gods they honour.
You do realise that these sentences, wrong and stupid as they are, contradict each other, don't you?
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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2015, 09:23:55 AM »
You seem to think that Jesus' work is finished...but it isn't. It isn't over until Judgment Day and though the signs say that it isn't far off there is still time to be saved as long as we stop bitching and realise that only Jesus can support us through the forthcoming 'great tribulations' and whether Jew, Muslim, or Christian, we will need a proven track record of righteous understanding to be saved...how else can we all start off on the right foot afterwards when war, disease, and despair will be a thing of the past.

This is what God's righteous science is telling me, and let's face it, science is the logic of Almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ.

So the Jews, certainly of that time, were completely wrong in their scriptures ??? According to YOU anyway !!!

As for signs of Judgement Day, the Jews thought the Messiah was to rid them of the Romans, He didn't !!!

Righteous understanding ?!!?!? What's THAT when it's at home ?!?!??

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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2015, 09:26:34 AM »
You do realise that these sentences, wrong and stupid as they are, contradict each other, don't you?

Well, not really, no. Ancient pagans actually believed in the gods they were supposed to honour and modern pagans just play silly buggers, but the gods they claim to worship, whether they actually believe in them or not, are still idols and demons.
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« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2015, 09:29:55 AM »
You might like to read this then......

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/the-logic-of-islamic-intolerance/

A sermon delivered by popular Saudi Sheikh Muhammad Salih al-Munajjid clearly demonstrates why Western secular relativists and multiculturalists — who currently dominate media, academia, and politics — are incapable of understanding, much less responding to, the logic of Islamic intolerance.

During his sermon, al-Munajjid said that “some [Muslim] hypocrites” wonder why it is that “we [Muslims] don’t permit them [Western people] to build churches, even though they allow mosques to be built.” The Saudi sheikh responded by saying that any Muslim who thinks this way is “ignorant” and

wants to equate between right and wrong, between Islam and kufr [non-Islam], monotheism and shirk [polytheism], and gives to each side equal weight, and wants to compare this with that, and he asks: “Why don’t we build them churches like they build us mosques? So we allow them this in return for that?” Do you want another other than Allah to be worshiped? Do you equate between right and wrong? Are Zoroastrian fire temples, Jewish temples, Christian churches, monks’ monasteries, and Buddhist and Hindu temples, equal to you with the houses of Allah and mosques? So you compare this with that? And you equate this with that? Oh! Unbelievable, for he who equates between Islam and kufr [non-Islam], and Allah said: “Whoever desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers” (Koran 3:85). And Prophet Muhamad said: “By Him in whose hand is the life of Muhamad (By Allah) he who amongst the Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that which I have been sent, and dies in his state (of disbelief), he shall be of the residents of Hellfire.”

What’s interesting about the sheikh’s zealous diatribe is that, although “intolerant” from a Western perspective, it is, in fact, quite logically consistent and reveals the wide gap between Islamic rationalism and Western fantasy (despite how oxymoronic this dichotomy might sound).

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2015, 09:32:45 AM »
Well, not really, no.
Yes, really.
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Ancient pagans actually believed in the gods they were supposed to honour and modern pagans just play silly buggers, but the gods they claim to worship, whether they actually believe in them or not, are still idols and demons.
There are no idols and demons. Nor can you worship anything you don't actually believe in.

You seem very confused.
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« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2015, 09:43:28 AM »
Clearly you're the one who's confused. One can worship gods they don't believe in. Mordern pagans are proof of that.
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« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2015, 09:48:44 AM »
One can worship gods they don't believe in.
How does that work, then?
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« Reply #59 on: December 02, 2015, 09:51:24 AM »
How does that work, then?

Ask the pagans. That's why I said they play silly buggers.
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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #60 on: December 02, 2015, 09:51:54 AM »
To trippymonkey:

As a secular relativist I can deal with absolutists, because the alternative is being absolutist. You seem to be espousing the logic of 'if you can't beat them, join them, or join some other bunch of equally mad absolutists'.


That madmen and murderers can rationally work out a way to achieve their mad aims is not a surprise, nor does it make them rationalists.

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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #61 on: December 02, 2015, 09:52:43 AM »
Ask the pagans.
You're the one making the assertion - I'm asking you.
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« Reply #62 on: December 02, 2015, 09:55:30 AM »
Ad-o, your opinion of paganism is so stupid it isn't worth the effort replying to it.


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« Reply #63 on: December 02, 2015, 09:55:53 AM »
You're the one making the assertion - I'm asking you.

You'll have to ask them how they square that in their head but that they worship them is beyond doubt, otherwise they (modern pagans) wouldn't exist.
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« Reply #64 on: December 02, 2015, 09:56:56 AM »
Ad-o, your opinion of paganism is so stupid it isn't worth the effort replying to it.

Paganism is stupid, yes. My opinion, however, is quite accurate.
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« Reply #65 on: December 02, 2015, 09:58:15 AM »
You'll have to ask them how they square that in their head but that they worship them is beyond doubt
But you're the one claiming that people worship things that they don't believe exist. It's up to you to substantiate that claim.
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« Reply #66 on: December 02, 2015, 09:58:30 AM »
Before Christianity raised its ugly head everyone was pagan! For between 24 and 22,000 years.

Then maybe you should be sacrificing babies to Baal.
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Re: The Highest Jew
« Reply #67 on: December 02, 2015, 10:13:58 AM »
OK - just once:


Before Christianity raised its ugly head everyone was pagan! For between 24 and 22,000 years. It needed a revival because Christianity tried to wipe it out!
OK, just to remind you about your history of religion, Matt: prior to the arrival of Christianity, there was Judaism, there was Hinduism, there was Buddhism, there was Confucianism, there was Shintoism; there was animism, there was ancestor worship - and that's just to name a few.  I would be surprised if many religious scholars would regard the first 5 as 'Pagan', and many probably wouldn't include the last 2 either.

In the immediate vicinity of the Old Testamnt Jews, there would have been the various 'state' religions of the nations that lived in the area.  Again, were they 'Pagan'?
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« Reply #68 on: December 02, 2015, 10:15:48 AM »
OK, just to remind you about your history of religion, Matt: prior to the arrival of Christianity, there was Judaism, there was Hinduism, there was Buddhism, there was Confucianism, there was Shintoism; there was animism, there was ancestor worship - and that's just to name a few.  I would be surprised if many religious scholars would regard the first 5 as 'Pagan', and many probably wouldn't include the last 2 either.

In the immediate vicinity of the Old Testamnt Jews, there would have been the various 'state' religions of the nations that lived in the area.  Again, were they 'Pagan'?
Perhaps Owl was referring to Europe - of the religions you mention one was middle eastern and the rest far eastern. Even the oldest (Hinduism) is just a few thousand years old.
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« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2015, 10:34:08 AM »
Perhaps Owl was referring to Europe ...
He might have been thinking that, Shakes, but he didn't say that.  He said that "Before Christianity raised its ugly head everyone was pagan! For between 24 and 22,000 years"  The emphasis isn't mine, but Matt's.

After all, Christianity isn't originally a European/Western religion, so why use Europe as his benchmark?  After all, it had spread to India and N. Africa before it reached much beyond the southern fringes of Europe.

Let's assume that he was referring to Europe alone; which pre-Christian European religions were actually Pagan? Not sure that the Norse gods were 'pagan' in the sense he uses the term. 
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« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2015, 10:38:33 AM »
Eh? Do what? Go around feeling self-righteous because you feel offend on someone else's behalf?

It's called empathy  ;)

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« Reply #71 on: December 02, 2015, 10:39:33 AM »
It's called empathy  ;)
He doesn't do that.
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« Reply #72 on: December 02, 2015, 10:41:45 AM »

What a shame...you are all behaving like a bunch of hooligans who have no God...and you can't see the simple fact that without a God you will simply act like a bunch of hooligans and that wont help your genetic health one iota. I don't need to bring forward any proof you have done that for me.

This puts the Jews on a higher level than you because Almighty God dislikes hooliganism intensely. Even so...with science, the Holy Bible, and Jesus Christ, breathing down our necks, never mind World War 3, I suppose you are all entitled to your last expressions of your impending plight.

Now I tried to help you so don't blame me, Jesus Christ or Almighty God when you realise you missed your last call...will you.

And Nicolas proves my point exactly........ On the salvation thread..... It's all about control.....  >:(

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« Reply #73 on: December 02, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »
He doesn't do that.

Oh I do empathy, I just don't see how it fits in here, namely desiring the conversion of someone else, in this case the Jews.
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« Reply #74 on: December 02, 2015, 10:46:38 AM »
Oh I do empathy, I just don't see how it fits in here, namely desiring the conversion of someone else, in this case the Jews.
Assuming they're religious (being Jewish and being a theist are not synonymous), Jews already have a religion with which they're presumably happy and so don't want or need any attempts at conversion. Jews generally don't proselytise and even initially refuse would-be converts. Take a leaf out of their book.
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