Author Topic: Lesser Agent Can't Conceive of a Greater One?  (Read 3188 times)

Outrider

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Re: Lesser Agent Can't Conceive of a Greater One?
« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2015, 01:04:46 PM »
What the hell are you talking about? I'd need details here to believe such rubbish.

I'm talking about the sort of remains you get at places like Pompeii after a volcanic eruption - entirely natural process that produces human-shaped statues.

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Jack Knave

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Re: Lesser Agent Can't Conceive of a Greater One?
« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2015, 01:22:43 PM »
I'm talking about the sort of remains you get at places like Pompeii after a volcanic eruption - entirely natural process that produces human-shaped statues.

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But 1) humans were used as moulds and 2) they were not perfect representations of a human as a statue is, perfectly formed by an artist; as say like a Roman statue or the David sculptor by Michelangelo.

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Re: Lesser Agent Can't Conceive of a Greater One?
« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2015, 02:02:59 PM »
But 1) humans were used as moulds and 2) they were not perfect representations of a human as a statue is, perfectly formed by an artist; as say like a Roman statue or the David sculptor by Michelangelo.

OK, but Michelangelo's David is a statue produced by entirely natural events - humans, and tool use by humans, are entirely natural events.

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Jack Knave

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Re: Lesser Agent Can't Conceive of a Greater One?
« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2015, 01:34:34 PM »
OK, but Michelangelo's David is a statue produced by entirely natural events - humans, and tool use by humans, are entirely natural events.

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You're moving the goal posts. I wasn't referring to David as an example but to explain what I meant by a pile of sand forming into a perfect statue. This being an analogy of the fact that the mind can create ideas that are not subject to the palette presented to it by nature and its past input but can come up with totally novel creations. In other words it can apparently conjure up the 'greater' from the 'lesser' (this being nature and the external world). If we couldn't do this we would still be swinging from tree to tree like the monkeys.