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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2015, 07:17:05 PM »
He displayed a cross and uttered some words about God which he did will all earnestness and as such I have no reason to think nothing else but that he is a Christian.
Neither of which actions necessarily require him to be a Christian.  Unlike you, I would not have jumped to a conclusion as to his faith stance, if there was one there to be jumped to.  Rather, I'd have accosted him and told him not be obnoxious - if the girl had shown fear of any similar emotion.  Otherwise, i'd have just marked hm down as a nutcase.
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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2015, 07:19:21 PM »
I wonder whether she responded with 'Are you saved by the blood of the Lamb?'   ;)
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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2015, 07:23:35 PM »
Is it common for Christians to thrust a cross into someone's face?  Can't say that I've ever seen anyone doing it, regardless of their philosophical position.

Again, he could have been a Jehovah's Witness or a Mormen, even, if you really want to stick to the cross motif.
So JW's and Mormons aren't Christians? So they don't believe in JC then?

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2015, 07:29:03 PM »
Neither of which actions necessarily require him to be a Christian.  Unlike you, I would not have jumped to a conclusion as to his faith stance, if there was one there to be jumped to.  Rather, I'd have accosted him and told him not be obnoxious - if the girl had shown fear of any similar emotion.  Otherwise, i'd have just marked hm down as a nutcase.
His actions showed him to be a Christian. Why else would he have done what he did if they didn't reflect some inner reality for him. He associated with the cross and that is enough for him to be classified as a Christian.

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2015, 09:14:59 PM »
His actions showed him to be a Christian. Why else would he have done what he did if they didn't reflect some inner reality for him. He associated with the cross and that is enough for him to be classified as a Christian.
1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?

2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.
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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2015, 10:40:09 PM »
We don't know whether or not this man is a Christian but he is obviously unbalanced.  I've never come across anyone doing such a thing.  However it seems that no harm has been done.
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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?

2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.
1) Hope, concentrate please,...he held a cross in her face, plus the words of God nails it.

2) Why aren't they Christians? Don't they believe in Jesus and the cross and all that? Or are you saying they are Christians in the way you are?...and of course you have the definitive position on it.  ::)

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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2015, 01:58:48 PM »
1) Are you suggesting that referring to beauty and God in the same sentence necessitates the speaker to be a Christian?

2) JWs and Mormons associate with the cross, and aren't Christians.

JW don't associate with the cross.

My relatives won't go into a church that uses it, as jehovahs witnesses see the cross as idolatrous.

Seriously,  JW don't associate with the cross at all.

 They wouldn't wear one as a necklace.

They believe he was nailed to a simple stake

http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/cross-belief/


Just looking at the Mormans, not sure they relate to the cross either

http://www.mrm.org/no-crosses
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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2015, 09:10:37 PM »
Sorry, just because someone says they follow a particular philosophy of life doesn't mean that they are really a follower.  One has to know them fairly well, and to be able to compare their behaviour with that associated with that philosophy (whih is why the 'champagne socialists' of the 70s and 80s were such a laughing stock).  I get the impression that you had no idea who this guy was, what his normal behaviour pattern is/was, and that you have made a guess at his philosophical outlook.

We've been skirting around the No True Scotsman fallacy for a while now. Nice to see it finally deployed.
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« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2015, 09:13:15 PM »
Is it common for Christians to thrust a cross into someone's face?
More common than a non Christian.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2016, 02:06:42 PM »
I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?

Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....

As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2016, 02:25:31 PM »
Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....

As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"

I've just got up for a second time Sass I'm still feeling feint, I agree with every word you're saying in this post.

My wife has given me a cup of hot Horlilcs I've put a scarf around my neck and I'm going to tuck myself up in bed for a good lay down for a couple of hours.

I had to write this down or I would probably think it was a dream.

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2016, 02:28:28 PM »
I've just got up for a second time Sass I'm still feeling feint, I agree with every word you're saying in this post.

My wife has given me a cup of hot Horlilcs I've put a scarf around my neck and I'm going to tuck myself up in bed for a good lay down for a couple of hours.

I had to write this down or I would probably think it was a dream.

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2016, 02:39:02 PM »
Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....

As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"
Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.

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« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2016, 03:41:34 PM »
Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.

Knowing when to stop digging is a talent Jack, I have to admit I'm just as guilty of not knowing when to stop digging as anyone else at times, we all do it.

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2016, 07:49:05 PM »
Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.
Interesting to note that it has taken 37 posts to register the woman's reaction.
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2016, 07:55:36 PM »
Interesting to note that it has taken 37 posts to register the woman's reaction.
I thought his actions alone said enough but it seems for some here it wasn't.

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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2016, 07:42:00 PM »
I thought his actions alone said enough but it seems for some here it wasn't.
Well, if the woman had been expecting the incident in some way (perhaps it happens on a regular basis, as could be case if the guy was mentally ill) she would have reacted differently to a one-off event.  That was the problem, you gave a very one-sided picture in your OP, with no indication of whether it was in any way a set-up, or a recurring event, or whatever.  The problem with situations like this (like the recent New year's Day photo that has gone viral) is that one can't be sure that its not 'posed'.  Even with the woman's reaction, it could have been posed.

Now, i'm not saying that the action of the guy was acceptable, assuming that he was doing it wittingly, just pointing out the problems that can occur around such situations especially to a bystander.
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Re: What Do Christians Think Of This?
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2016, 08:07:30 PM »
On the whole I agree with what Sassy said, though it never occurred to me that the young woman knew the man and I think she didn't.  However we don't know much about it and, though it was a bit freaky, he didn't harm her.  It is a fact that there are people around who behave in a freaky way;  I was once at a 'bus stop and a man was wandering around with a box under his arm with microphone attached and he was part preaching, part ranting, and definitely looking quite menacing - however no-one took much notice of him (this was in South London), except a couple of kids who thought it was all funny - we got on our 'bus and left him there to carry on with a new audience.

I don't know what any of this has to do with JWs and Mormons, they do believe in Jesus Christ though in quite a different way to mainstream Christians.   So what?  There's room for all surely.
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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2016, 08:16:14 PM »
Well, if the woman had been expecting the incident in some way (perhaps it happens on a regular basis, as could be case if the guy was mentally ill) she would have reacted differently to a one-off event.  That was the problem, you gave a very one-sided picture in your OP, with no indication of whether it was in any way a set-up, or a recurring event, or whatever.  The problem with situations like this (like the recent New year's Day photo that has gone viral) is that one can't be sure that its not 'posed'.  Even with the woman's reaction, it could have been posed.

Now, i'm not saying that the action of the guy was acceptable, assuming that he was doing it wittingly, just pointing out the problems that can occur around such situations especially to a bystander.
If it was a recurring thing she would have seen him coming and responded before he could start his act as he came to her from her side (about 80 deg. from her front (to back) axis. But she didn't she turned in surprise. I find your grovelling on this strange, Hope. 

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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2016, 01:41:54 AM »
Did you speak to the young woman after this happened, in your presence?  Had it occurred in front of me (or to the side of me or whatever), I'm pretty sure I would have said something to the girl, if only, "You okay?".    I think most of us would have done the same.  Had you done so, she might have told you if she knew him and, if she didn't know him - which is what you believe - she would undoubtedly have been glad that someone cared enough to ask her if she was alright.  Might even have been a bit nervous to go out of the library unescorted.

I don't see why this is something that Christians would "think about" any more than anyone else, despite the fact that the man had a cross.   Anyone would have been alarmed and concerned.  We know your reaction, did anyone else witness the occurrence and what did they do or say?
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2016, 09:38:45 AM »
Your poor attempts at logic and thinking outside of he box just make you look sad. Her (young beautiful girl) response to a bloke (much older) showed the weirdness of the whole affair and he then promptly paced off in that marching satisfied manner that odd-ball often do. The response of all the people who saw it also conveyed the freakiness of it.

I guess the proof is that you knew I was speaking logically and it was not a poor attempt. You are just miffed because you had not the ability to logically discern what I said for yourself before you wrote your post.

No weirdness you actually wrote:
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I saw in my library the other day an eastern/Chinese looking guy of around 50-ish walk up to a pretty young woman, take a cross hanging from his neck by a chain and thrust it into her face. He got his face inches from hers, glared into her eyes and said, "God gave you your beauty!" Then smartly walked off......?


The whole incident is  'ILLOGICAL' as there was NO reason for the incident to occur. If asked if true or false. People would logically answer it was false and never happened because there is no logical reason or indication as to why someone would do that. Hence it is logical to state that the obvious is missing NO REASON for it to have happened. Unless you ignored what went before and did not want to tell us.

We cannot derive anything logical from your post that would put anyone at blame.  The reason being NO REASON for it to have happened in the first instance... Only half a story....
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« Reply #47 on: January 06, 2016, 10:32:12 AM »
Half a story... were they married? Well! mean Jack sh*t without us knowing the whole story. What is more interesting is the responses on the thread to it... Would it have had the same reaction had it been the star of david or a bunch of roses.
I see nothing in what you said that actually showed a right or wrong. No one just walks up to a stranger and does that.
So rest of story or it means absolutely nothing. Except for them who automatically read something wrong into it without any facts....

As a matter of interest... why post it? Why should Christians make anything from it?"


I dunno Sass, once some elderly woman marched up to me and saluted, and shouted " heil Hitler"  (and I look nothing like him)  :o

I just thought she was mad as a box of frogs  ;)

There are weird people out there...........

I've also known people get thumped by strangers in the high street for no see able reason.

Just occasionally you bump into a situation that doesn't make much sense.

Sometimes strangers are mentally ill and acting out a delusion.
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« Reply #48 on: January 06, 2016, 11:55:36 AM »

I dunno Sass, once some elderly woman marched up to me and saluted, and shouted " heil Hitler"  (and I look nothing like him)  :o

I just thought she was mad as a box of frogs  ;)

Arhhh but then you never insulted Christians for it... LOL... I bet you felt (frog)spawned by it. LOL.

Maybe she read the script wrong and it was Hello Hitler.... ;D


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There are weird people out there...........

Ssshh they are everywhere...

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I've also known people get thumped by strangers in the high street for no see able reason.

OF, Course there was a reason... they walked into the strangers fist...  Medical illness of a mental nature or at least a head reason. :( That is sad when people hit out in fear afraid and not knowing what is happening to them.

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Just occasionally you bump into a situation that doesn't make much sense.

Sometimes strangers are mentally ill and acting out a delusion.

As I said, it does not make it about religion though does it... If dressed as a Sikh would that become a religious cause for it?  So I am sure you see that those who blamed religion or made remarks because of the CROSS being used which made people CROSS including their wires...  ;D  Were reading their own beliefs and prejudices into what was said to have happened..
A tad-poles apart from what the real possibilities were... ;D
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« Reply #49 on: January 06, 2016, 01:25:33 PM »
You speak sense here Sass; it is a silly subject for us to get wound up about (not that I am getting wound up  :D), storm in a teacup.  People sometimes do strange things and we may not know why but if no harm done, not to worry.
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