Homeopathy!

[Nearly Sane]

The problem is non-medical pedants

If you are going to try and be superior here, you have to demonstrate it?I've seen too many snake oil saesman trot out your inept to put up with this idiocy. If you know anything about medical tests, you would realise your concept of 'worked' you are touting here is deeply non medical. You seem to show no understanding of science, medicine or testing.

[Aruntraveller]

The problem is non-medical pedants

Indeed it is Owlswing. That is why I would point you to the vast body of work conducted around the field of homeopathy by the medical profession which points to the fact that it has no benefits that are measurable in any meaningful way. There is also the added consideration that people will use these "medicines" in the mistaken belief that they will do them some good - thus not getting the treatment they actually need.

Procedures in the field I work in does not include prescription. I am sorry that there was a misunderstanding over terminology.

[L.A.]

Nope, it involves charging gullible people for sugar pills. Which is why we have doctors and pharmacists to prescribe medicines. And why any old quack can sell homeopathic pills.

Your objection seems to be that the treatment doesn't work in the way that you believe a treatment ought to work?

As far as I am concerned, the only criteria should be - Does it work?

[Nearly Sane]

Your objection seems to be that the treatment doesn't work in the way that you believe a treatment ought to work?

As far as I am concerned, the only criteria should be - Does it work?

When you want prescribed a placebo or homeopathy for Ebola, get back to me.

[Sriram]

When you want prescribed a placebo or homeopathy for Ebola, get back to me.

They don't prescribe Aspirin/paracetamol for Ebola either. That does not mean they don't work for other ailments.

[Nearly Sane]

They don't prescribe Aspirin/paracetamol for Ebola either. That does not mean they don't work for other ailments.

Aspirin isn't a method

[Sriram]

Aspirin isn't a method

You were talking about prescribing drugs that are not relevant to Ebola. I said the same thing.

Homeopathy can't be used for fractures either. So what?  Does not mean they are not useful in other areas. 

We should stop taking political positions in favour of certain medical systems and against others. There are alternative medical systems that are very useful for certain ailments. Homeopathy is one such.

[Nearly Sane]

You were talking about prescribing drugs that are not relevant to Ebola. I said the same thing.

Homeopathy can't be used for fractures either. So what?  Does not mean they are not useful in other areas. 

We should stop taking political positions in favour of certain medical systems and against others. There are alternative medical systems that are very useful for certain ailments. Homeopathy is one such.

  For a start placebo isn't a drug, and homeopathy isn't a drug, it's an attempt at a method. this isn't a political position

[Sriram]

  For a start placebo isn't a drug, and homeopathy isn't a drug, it's an attempt at a method. this isn't a political position

'Placebo' is a word that is beginning to be used as a dustbin... like the word 'woo'. Anything people don't understand they dump it in there and believe they are being very clever!

[ippy]

But the placebo effect works and homeopathy is a harmless way of exploiting this phenomena - so where is the problem?

I wasn't saying the placebo effect doesn't work, so as I was saying?

ippy

[Outrider]

Homeopathy involves the administration of a substance, a medicine.

No, homeopathy involves the administration of water in expensive packaging.

The prescribing of medicines are recognised as being the area of expertise of the medical profession; therefore its adminstration to a patient is a "medical procedure".

Indeed. The administration of water in expensive packaging, however, is the area of expertise of Coca Cola.

O.

[Nearly Sane]

'Placebo' is a word that is beginning to be used as a dustbin... like the word 'woo'. Anything people don't understand they dump it in there and believe they are being very clever!

As opposed to claiming thety do understand things and making claims they can't back up

Sort of like posting 5 year od articles that they don't look at crtically and cite as if they are unchallenged

[Sriram]

As opposed to claiming thety do understand things and making claims they can't back up

Like what? I have  personally used homeopathy for decades and that is proof enough for me. And I am sure there are millions of others (some are on here and... you can ask your Queen and Prince Charles  too).

I have also provided the opinion of some Nobel laureates in the OP. That's what this thread is about you know!

Stop being silly about this NS. You are taking political positions...because you know nothing about homeopathy except what you have read here and there. 

[ippy]

You were talking about prescribing drugs that are not relevant to Ebola. I said the same thing.

Homeopathy can't be used for fractures either. So what?  Does not mean they are not useful in other areas. 

We should stop taking political positions in favour of certain medical systems and against others. There are alternative medical systems that are very useful for certain ailments. Homeopathy is one such.

Homeopathy nothing wrong with it provided you read the labels, can't remember which ones of the homeopathy remedies they are, but some of them conflict with prescribed medicines.

I might be wrong but I think I can remember St Johns Wort conflicts/reacts with lots of other medicines/remidies and I'm sure there are others that need caution, or perhaps a chat with your friendly local pharmacist before use.

Other than the above there is a lot of woo involved with a very high percentage of Homeopathic stuff.

Perhaps the religious with their penchant for anything involving woo, might find homeopathy with its accompanying foray s into woo might be more successful for them than it would be so for those of us that are less inclined toward towards woo, a guess, I don't know.

ippy 

PS In addition I think the St Johns I mentioned above can be a danger to life if it's used without taking the appropriate care or advice.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Hello Trent! I was going to write, BITE ME, but you might find that way too much to handle, ya know, sounding too youthful. Which reminds me of that word I adopted from you. THINGY, ya thingy. (snork)  And Matty's old enough to be my grandfather!
So what's up in your world these days?

But I must tell you that I do agree with your first post. Rock on dude!

[OH MY WORLD!]

And Matty, don't get your panties in a twist over the grandfather comment. My adopted parents was old enough to be my great grandparents.

[Nearly Sane]

Like what? I have  personally used homeopathy for decades and that is proof enough for me. And I am sure there are millions of others (some are on here and... you can ask your Queen and Prince Charles  too).

I have also provided the opinion of some Nobel laureates in the OP. That's what this thread is about you know!

Stop being silly about this NS. You are taking political positions...because you know nothing about homeopathy except what you have read here and there.

As already covered as regards Nobel Laureates - Linus Pauling, Linus Pauling, Linus Pauling.

As for use of anecdote and proof (or indeed citing the Queen who really has nothing to do with me) - get back when you want to show any understanding of the scientific method.

 

[Aruntraveller]

Hello Trent! I was going to write, BITE ME, but you might find that way too much to handle, ya know, sounding too youthful. Which reminds me of that word I adopted from you. THINGY, ya thingy. (snork)  And Matty's old enough to be my grandfather!
So what's up in your world these days?

But I must tell you that I do agree with your first post. Rock on dude!

Lol - good to hear from you - I'm busy with Mum and thingies - but I'm ok. Cheers

[Maeght]

Homeopathy nothing wrong with it provided you read the labels, can't remember which ones of the homeopathy remedies they are, but some of them conflict with prescribed medicines.

I might be wrong but I think I can remember St Johns Wort conflicts/reacts with lots of other medicines/remidies and I'm sure there are others that need caution, or perhaps a chat with your friendly local pharmacist before use.

Other than the above there is a lot of woo involved with a very high percentage of Homeopathic stuff.

Perhaps the religious with their penchant for anything involving woo, might find homeopathy with its accompanying foray s into woo might be more successful for them than it would be so for those of us that are less inclined toward towards woo, a guess, I don't know.

ippy 

PS In addition I think the St Johns I mentioned above can be a danger to life if it's used without taking the appropriate care or advice.

A true homeopathic product wouldn't actually contain any St John's Wort and so wouldn't cause any issues like that surely. A herbal product would but that's because it does actually have some St John's Wort in what you take.

[Owlswing]

Nope, it involves charging gullible people for sugar pills. Which is why we have doctors and pharmacists to prescribe medicines. And why any old quack can sell homeopathic pills.

Read the OP!

Quote:

. . . physicians and scientists have expressed skepticism about its efficacy due to the extremely small doses of medicines used.

Montagnier, who is also founder and president of the World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention, asserted, "I can't say that homeopathy is right in everything. What I can say now is that the high dilutions (used in homeopathy) are right. High dilutions of something are not nothing. . . ."

Not sugar pills!

And more than a few homeopathicists are fully quallifed DM's

[Owlswing]

So all witch doctors conduct 'medical procedures' - note prescription isn't usually seen as a medical procedure.

No, but it is done by a person who is medically qualified

[Owlswing]

I give up on this thread.

People are demonising a form of medicine just because they have decided it doesn't work - fine, as long as those of you who are Christian etc give up prayer for the same reason because I say it doesn't work.

Nowhere have I seen any claim the homeopathic medicines will cure AIDS, Ebola, typhus, or syphilis but sure as the Goddess made little apples someone here will soon claim there has been.

As has been stated there have been cases where sugar pills have 'cured' illnesses, if it works don't knock it!

[Nearly Sane]

No, but it is done by a person who is medically qualified

And to give water to someone required no qualification. And the vast majority of water pushers have none. So what is your point, caller?

[Nearly Sane]

I give up on this thread.

People are demonising a form of medicine just because they have decided it doesn't work - fine, as long as those of you who are Christian etc give up prayer for the same reason because I say it doesn't work.

Nowhere have I seen any claim the homeopathic medicines will cure AIDS, Ebola, typhus, or syphilis but sure as the Goddess made little apples someone here will soon claim there has been.

As has been stated there have been cases where sugar pills have 'cured' illnesses, if it works don't knock it!

It isn't a form of medicine! That's the point. Can I suggest you stop misrepresenting what people say as it is tedious in the extreme.

[Nearly Sane]

Read the OP!

Quote:

. . . physicians and scientists have expressed skepticism about its efficacy due to the extremely small doses of medicines used.

Montagnier, who is also founder and president of the World Foundation for AIDS Research and Prevention, asserted, "I can't say that homeopathy is right in everything. What I can say now is that the high dilutions (used in homeopathy) are right. High dilutions of something are not nothing. . . ."

Not sugar pills!

And more than a few homeopathicists are fully quallifed DM's

And you couldn't read the second post  on this? Really?