Sex education

[Shaker]

Such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups, teaching people immorality.

Both homosexuality and abortion are legal, as is right and proper (this is the case across the civilised world), and neither are immoral. You're typically forgetting that whatever the proportion of gay people is in the population (which nobody knows for sure) it will include school pupils - we have a couple of gay posters here who were, of course, at school once upon a time, even if unimaginably long ago ( ). Young people can do without the warped erotophobia of theistic asshattery - in fact we can all do without that.

We would need the same sort of laws as in Russia.

Why, since that would turn us into the same sort of ignorant, backward, arse-end of Europe?

[floo]

Such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups, teaching people immorality. We would need the same sort of laws as in Russia.

BIGOT what is immoral about being a homosexual? For all you know Jesus could have been gay as the Bible specifically mentions he had a disciple whom he loved, and it didn't mention they were related!

[Rhiannon]

Such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups, teaching people immorality. We would need the same sort of laws as in Russia.

No we don't.

Nothing is 'promoted' in sex ed. It is explained. There's a difference.

Your morals aren't those of the majority. You need to get used to that.

[Aruntraveller]

Such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups, teaching people immorality. We would need the same sort of laws as in Russia.

AD-o. Homosexuals exist.

You really need to come to terms with this.

I didn't suddenly wake up and think "Hey I'll be gay today" Its part of who I am. Ignoring it, calling it immoral, is a useless approach to the issue.

SO you propose laws that would limit my rights within society? What good purpose does that serve?

The laws in Russia have led to an increase in violence against gay people - is that what you want for me or for Leonard and for every other gay person?

[Shaker]

No we don't.

Nothing is 'promoted' in sex ed. It is explained. There's a difference.

Funny, isn't it, that these types always wibble on about the "promotion" of homosexuality typically when they come from actively proselytising, evangelical (in the broad sense), missionary religions who think they have a divine imprimatur for sharing their beliefs with everyone. Nowadays people can (often; not always) ignore such preachment; in past times it was very much otherwise.

Your morals aren't those of the majority. You need to get used to that.

Indeed.

[Shaker]

AD-o. Homosexuals exist.

You really need to come to terms with this.

I didn't suddenly wake up and think "Hey I'll be gay today" Its part of who I am. Ignoring it, calling it immoral, is a useless approach to the issue.

SO you propose laws that would limit my rights within society? What good purpose does that serve?

Probably gives him the warm and fuzzies thinking that the work of Holy Mother Church is done and being seen to be done, no doubt.

The laws in Russia have led to an increase in violence against gay people - is that what you want for me or for Leonard and for every other gay person?

I await a reply with interest.

[Aruntraveller]

And also although the violence in Russia affects gays it also affects others mistaken for gay people:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/russia-st-patricks-day-attack-_n_5022961.html

Hope you are never out and about in Russia with  even a hint of lavender on your person AD-o. You might find yourself on the receiving end of more than glass of vodka.

[Shaker]

Hope you are never out and about in Russia with  even a hint of lavender on your person AD-o. You might find yourself on the receiving end of more than glass of vodka.

The glass, certainly.

[ad_orientem]

The laws have not caused people to attack gays. That's just nonsense and neither can it be proven. Laws that have fines a punishments don't cause people to attack other people.

[Aruntraveller]

The laws have not caused people to attack gays. That's just nonsense and neither can it be proven.

Head. Sand.

Let me introduce you to each other.

Yea and the upsurge in violence in the Uk against gay people after Clause 28 was purely coincidental too.

[ad_orientem]

Head. Sand.

Let me introduce you to each other.

Coming from a person who doesn't believe Europe is becoming Islamicised. Being gay you ought to be very scared.

[Shaker]

The laws have not caused people to attack gays.

So, assuming that what you say is true, people are attacking gays in the numbers that they are because they were a bunch of knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing homophobic arseholes anyway, before the laws came along.

And this is the nation you want us to emulate, is it?

That's just nonsense and neither can it be proven.

Any point furnishing you with the evidence, giving that you don't come across as the swayed-by-evidence-and-reason type to say the least? I'm grieved to say that there's a lot of it.

[Aruntraveller]

Coming from a person who doesn't believe Europe is becoming Islamicised. Being gay you should be very scared.

Racism, homophobia.

We just need a spot of misogyny and we have the three that become one.

[Shaker]

Racism, homophobia.

We just need a spot of misogyny and we have the three that become one.

... neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance ...

[Gonnagle]

Dear Floo,

Thank you.

https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/key-stage-3-and-4

But it all seems a bit woolly to me, religious education and sex education look like add ons to me.

Core subjects are Maths, English and science, what about Music, Einstein was a genius because he played the violin ( okay that's just a theory ) but music is universal, Music should be a core subject.

But where are the core subjects on right and wrong, Morals, Ethics, should they be left to parents.

So we leave kids to be at best fed misinformation, half-information and some downright dingbattery, and at worst left ignorant? Stunning answer there to giving kids an education.

The above author of that quote is absolutely right, we should not leave important subjects to amateurs, he also quoted someone on the quote thread that we should teach our kids to be sceptical, I think that is vitally important, question everything, no subject is taboo.

But where are the core subjects on right and wrong, it seems to me that we flit around these subjects, sex education should not be left to amateurs, neither should how we treat our fellow man/woman, far more important than Maths, English, science and sex education.


Gonnagle.

[Rhiannon]

Racism, homophobia.

We just need a spot of misogyny and we have the three that become one.

He can do that too.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Floo,

Thank you.

https://www.gov.uk/national-curriculum/key-stage-3-and-4

But it all seems a bit woolly to me, religious education and sex education look like add ons to me.

Core subjects are Maths, English and science, what about Music, Einstein was a genius because he played the violin ( okay that's just a theory ) but music is universal, Music should be a core subject.

But where are the core subjects on right and wrong, Morals, Ethics, should they be left to parents.

The above author of that quote is absolutely right, we should not leave important subjects to amateurs, he also quoted someone on the quote thread that we should teach our kids to be sceptical, I think that is vitally important, question everything, no subject is taboo.

But where are the core subjects on right and wrong, it seems to me that we flit around these subjects, sex education should not be left to amateurs, neither should how we treat our fellow man/woman, far more important than Maths, English, science and sex education.


Gonnagle.

If taught properly the humanities are about how we treat our fellow human beings up a greater or lesser extent. Good Eng Lit and drama too. Any subject that deals with the interactions of people teaches - or at least illustrates - morality.

[ad_orientem]

Racism, homophobia.

We just need a spot of misogyny and we have the three that become one.

Keep on burying your heads in the sand. The first step in Islamicisation is numerical advantage. This is being done via mass immigration. Gays ought to be very scared indeed.

[Shaker]

And Wagon Wheels are smaller than they used to be when I were a lad, and then the sky falls in. Oh noez!!111!!!11111!

[floo]

Keep on burying your heads in the sand. The first step in Islamicisation is numerical advantage. This is being done via mass immigration. Gays ought to be very scared indeed.

You are a highly unpleasant BIGOT. Maybe you should consider the terrible sins of the Catholic church over the centuries before turning your ire on Islam! 

[Aruntraveller]

Keep on burying your heads in the sand. The first step in Islamicisation is numerical advantage. This is being done via mass immigration. Gays ought to be very scared indeed.

You are just deflecting. We are not discussing Islamification. Anyway from your attitude to gay people I would have thought you would have welcomed it.

[Shaker]

You are a highly unpleasant BIGOT. Maybe you should consider the terrible sins of the Catholic church over the centuries before turning your ire on Islam! 

He's not a member of that crew any more - he found another church a couple of years ago which offers the final, absolute and immutable truth like that one used to, apparently

[floo]

He's not a member of that crew any more - he's found another church which offers the final, absolute and immutable truth like that one used to a couple of years ago, apparently

I thought the Orthodox bunch were a branch of the Catholic church?

[Shaker]

I thought the Orthodox bunch were a branch of the Catholic church?

He will be most amused by that, as far as it's possible for him to be so

[Rhiannon]

I thought the Orthodox bunch were a branch of the Catholic church?

Oh, thank you, Floo.