Sex education

[Gonnagle]

Dear Floo,

I thought the Orthodox bunch were a branch of the Catholic church?

How to win friends and gain influence, I think Ad Orientem will be your friend for life now

Gonnagle.

[floo]

He will be most amused by that, as far as it's possible for him to be so

Oh well if I have got it wrong no doubt he will correct me. However, maybe he should consider a different belief system, because the one he has isn't exactly doing much for him, if his unpleasant posts are a reflection of his personality!

[Enki]

Ad_O,

First you say:

And state sex ed is open to propaganda from all sorts of pressure groups.

And then you suggest examples:

Such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexual groups, teaching people immorality. We would need the same sort of laws as in Russia.

which are surely not pressure groups as they are the norm in western society.

Surely then anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality can be much more accurately described as pressure groups.

Hence, to follow your own logic, you seem to be saying that state sex ed is open to propaganda(which you don't think is a good thing), and therefore you obviously should be against any influences by the anti-abortion and the anti-homosexuality lobby.

Either that, or you need to rethink your arguments.

[Shaker]

Oh well if I have got it wrong no doubt he will correct me. However, maybe he should consider a different belief system

Give it a couple more years and I'm sure he will.

Unfortunately, while the minor, superficial differences chop and change, the ugly and unpleasant beliefs do not.

[ProfessorDavey]

And state sex ed is open to propaganda from all sorts of pressure groups.

Actually the most prevalent sex ed propaganda in state schools is the restrictive and narrow curriculum based on religious dogma that is allowed to pass as sex education in many faith schools, most notably catholic schools where what is taught is clearly biased and incomplete.

[Brownie]

From what I have heard, there is no agenda other than giving correct information, in state sex ed.  Nothing is promoted, the idea is to be truthful and to help youngsters stay safe - which includes not having a sexual relationship before they are ready and being respectful towards the feelings and the bodies of others (& their own).  Sorry that sounds clumsy.

When I was younger, heterosexual relationships - leading to marriage - were actually promoted.  The vast majority of people were and always will be heterosexual but homosexuality must be discussed otherwise people will have odd ideas about gays, not to mention being overly, almost morbidly, curious.

It all seems quite healthy nowadays, people accept others for who they are and don't dwell on it.

[Shaker]

From what I have heard, there is no agenda other than giving correct information, in state sex ed.  Nothing is promoted, the idea is to be truthful and to help youngsters stay safe - which includes not having a sexual relationship before they are ready and being respectful towards the feelings and the bodies of others (& their own).  Sorry that sounds clumsy.

When I was younger, heterosexual relationships - leading to marriage - were actually promoted.  The vast majority of people were and always will be heterosexual but homosexuality must be discussed otherwise people will have odd ideas about gays, not to mention being overly, almost morbidly, curious.

It all seems quite healthy nowadays, people accept others for who they are and don't dwell on it.

Oy gevalt. If only we could have more believers like this.

[ProfessorDavey]

From what I have heard, there is no agenda other than giving correct information, in state sex ed.  Nothing is promoted, the idea is to be truthful and to help youngsters stay safe - which includes not having a sexual relationship before they are ready and being respectful towards the feelings and the bodies of others (& their own).  Sorry that sounds clumsy.

When I was younger, heterosexual relationships - leading to marriage - were actually promoted.  The vast majority of people were and always will be heterosexual but homosexuality must be discussed otherwise people will have odd ideas about gays, not to mention being overly, almost morbidly, curious.

It all seems quite healthy nowadays, people accept others for who they are and don't dwell on it.

I think that is correct - and indeed a curriculum which deliberately choses not to provide information either relating to differing sexuality or methods of contraception or abortion etc is clearly guilty of promulgating a biased agenda via omission.

So to use an alternative example, were there to be discussion of political views within a school curriculum that discussed all right wing ideologies by (by design) omitted to discuss left wing ideologies that would be clearly biased and rightly be seen to be 'promoting' right wing view points. The same is true for sex education - it needs to be factual and comprehensive and not driven by ideological whims.

[Aruntraveller]

Oy gevalt. If only we could have more believers like this.

To be fair - I think a lot of believers do think like that.

[Shaker]

To be fair - I think a lot of believers do think like that.

True - it's only the noxious ones who make the noise and get the attention, I guess.

[Aruntraveller]

Hey Zippy

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Hello everybody 

For Floo's benefit, the RC is a splinter group from the Orthodox. They have not been in communion since 1054. To consider one to be a form of the other is usually the mark of Protestant non conformists.

By all means teach kids about abortion-but not careful words about "choices", teach them graphically what the process involves.

[Shaker]

Hello everybody 

For Floo's benefit, the RC is a splinter group from the Orthodox. They have not been in communion since 1054.

And as we all know, that's nearly eleven o'clock.

By all means teach kids about abortion-but not careful words about "choices"

Give that it is a choice, why not?

teach them graphically what the process involves.

Exactly what a termination involves depends on the stage of pregnancy. Obviously.

[Owlswing]

Hello everybody 

For Floo's benefit, the RC is a splinter group from the Orthodox. They have not been in communion since 1054. To consider one to be a form of the other is usually the mark of Protestant non conformists.

By all means teach kids about abortion-but not careful words about "choices", teach them graphically what the process involves.

That's right - scare the living shit out of the (other people's - you will do it to your own before they get to school) children and thus make bloody sure that they follow the "Christinan" way. As if having to decide to have an abortion was not traumatic enough!

This is an attitude that Ad_O would be proud of! An Orthodox attitude and, Humph, your religious prejudices are showing.

[ad_orientem]

Give it a couple more years and I'm sure he will.

Unfortunately, while the minor, superficial differences chop and change, the ugly and unpleasant beliefs do not.

There you are with the snide comments again.

[Owlswing]

There you are with the snide comments again.

You cleary haver no idea of what the word "snide" means - his comments were not "snide", they were open and blatant - oh, and true!

[Shaker]

There you are with the snide comments again.

It's a speciality.

Massive irony and witheringly sarcastic put-downs are reserved for special occasions.

[ad_orientem]

It's a speciality.

Massive irony and witheringly sarcastic put-downs are reserved for special occasions.

Neither irony nor sarcasm are your forté.

[Shaker]

Neither irony nor sarcasm are your forté.

Yeah, right.

[Owlswing]

Neither irony nor sarcasm are your forté.

As intelligence and humanity are not yours!

[floo]

Hello everybody 

For Floo's benefit, the RC is a splinter group from the Orthodox. They have not been in communion since 1054. To consider one to be a form of the other is usually the mark of Protestant non conformists.

By all means teach kids about abortion-but not careful words about "choices", teach them graphically what the process involves.

Every woman should have the absolute choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy in the early stages. However, it is good to teach kids that unwanted pregnancies should be avoided by taking proper precautions when having sex. It is also good to teach kids that they shouldn't jump into bed with someone until they are mature enough to have sex in a responsible manner!

[ad_orientem]

As intelligence and humanity are not yours!

Even if I had just a spec it would be more than yours.

[ad_orientem]

I thought the Orthodox bunch were a branch of the Catholic church?

That's because you're an idiot.

[Shaker]

Even if I had just a spec it would be more than yours.

Just a spec? I don't think you're seeing this properly.

[floo]

That's because you're an idiot.

And you aren't? Btw your avatar appears to feature two guys snogging!