The very old President gets the worm

[Nearly Sane]

I find Jimmy Carter to be a genuinely good man.

http://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/index.html

[floo]

I think Carter is a good man, although he wasn't a particularly good President, imo.

[jeremyp]

I think Carter is a good man, although he wasn't a particularly good President, imo.

I think he was a good president.

[wigginhall]

In retrospect, after some of the others, Carter was OK.

[L.A.]

I'd agree that he has done many good things since leaving office, but whether he was a good president is a more difficult question - he was certainly an unlucky one.

[Nearly Sane]

I think Carter is a good man, although he wasn't a particularly good President, imo.

What do you think wasn't particularly good?

[Brownie]

I agree Jimmy Carter was a good man.   In my lifetime I've not known of a president who was considered to be ''good''.  One good thing that I remember about Carter is that he pardoned all the Vietnam draft dodgers.

[L.A.]

What do you think wasn't particularly good?

Obviosly there were the Iran hostages. It is quite possible that no one could have resolved that situation any better than he did, but the event dominated many years of his Presidency and his opponents exploited his perceived inaction.

[Nearly Sane]

Obviosly there were the Iran hostages. It is quite possible that no one could have resolved that situation any better than he did, but the event dominated many years of his Presidency and his opponents exploited his perceived inaction.

The action that he did take, didn't work. Floo thinks he wasn't good, I want to know why. I get and agree with your point about unlucky but it isn't the same thing.

[Brownie]

I've just read up on Jimmy Carter and I think he was a pretty good president.  He certainly had integrity.  As a famous president once said, "You can't please all the people all the time" (or words to that effect).

[L.A.]

The action that he did take, didn't work. Floo thinks he wasn't good, I want to know why. I get and agree with your point about unlucky but it isn't the same thing.

It's interesting to compare Carter with his predecessor Reagan, a fairly unpromising individual without any obvious skills or experience, yet he presided over the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War. He is still regarded as something of a hero by many (particularly in the former Eastern Block) while poor old Carter is just remembered for his failures in Iran.

Probably quite unfair, but that's life 

[Nearly Sane]

It's interesting to compare Carter with his predecessor Reagan, a fairly unpromising individual without any obvious skills or experience, yet he presided over the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War. He is still regarded as something of a hero by many (particularly in the former Eastern Block) while poor old Carter is just remembered for his failures in Iran.

Probably quite unfair, but that's life 

Successor surely? And if you look at it another way Reagan because of his policies presided over the Savings and Loan collapse (reminiscent of the last crash) as opposed to be lucky. Bush Snr eventually pais the proce in getting kicked out in 92 for Ronnie's 'voodoo economics' = how is that for irony?

[L.A.]

Successor surely? And if you look at it another way Reagan because of his policies presided over the Savings and Loan collapse (reminiscent of the last crash) as opposed to be lucky. Bush Snr eventually pais the proce in getting kicked out in 92 for Ronnie's 'voodoo economics' = how is that for irony?

Sorry <typo>

I agree, but Reagan got away with the dodgy economics and posterity remembers him for his 'Victory over Communism'

[jeremyp]

The action that he did take, didn't work.

Incorrect. The military action failed but Carter successfully negotiated the release of the hostages.

[jeremyp]

he presided over the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War. He is still regarded as something of a hero by many (particularly in the former Eastern Block) while poor old Carter is just remembered for his failures in Iran.

Probably quite unfair, but that's life 

Yes, quite unfair. Don't forget Reagan was in charge during the Iran-Contra affair.

[Nearly Sane]

Incorrect. The military action failed but Carter successfully negotiated the release of the hostages.

Good point, I had in my head that it was in the middle of 1981 they were released but that wasn't true. Interestingly given the discussion when I checked because of your post I found this -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory

[OH MY WORLD!]

Seriously? That's all one remembers about Carter is the Iran thingy? I guess one might being that you all live so far away and most of you are quite socialist.

Let me say my first memory of the Carter World was spending a half day at a time trapped in line ups at gas stations with one of my sisters. Middle of the hot prairie summer, treeless N Dakota, on our way to visit Mom's sister and families in Minot and Minneapolis.  Oh yes, what fond memories of Carter's socialist control of gas prices. There was no gas shortage you know, only for Carter's fixed price. The Panama Canal thingy, Olympic boycott (snork). I despise his meddling in politic today. But here is a better written list of his disaster of a presidency and his continues disasters when sticking his old beak into politics. Out of the political world, I like him. At Gerald Ford's funeral he stressed to the congregation, to America and elsewhere that was listening and watching on the TV, the importance, the need, for a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.  I liked that a lot, too bad the rest of his speech was an exercise of patting himself on the back and rewriting history in front of the corpse of his political opponent.

Here's a better written list of his bad joke of a presidency,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618205/posts

[Nearly Sane]

A link that immediately celebrates a torturing dictator as a good thing and then goes all conspiracy theory about Khomeini, yeah that will be useful.

[Brownie]

I couldn't open the link but, seriously, Jimmy Carter a socialist?  You (OMW) must be joking.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Mr. Nearly,
Your support for those Islamic butchers (Khomeini's) who execute all political opponents, homosexuals and want's Jew's wiped out and so on, is no surprise. I think there would be a lot less blood shed in that area in the past and today, if Carter had supported his friend, the Shah. Considering all the support your Khomeini's provide to terrorism outside their own borders.
I note you didn't argue with one of his of Carter's failures. That's helpful (snork).

[Nearly Sane]

Mr. Nearly,
Your support for those Islamic butchers (Khomeini's) who execute all political opponents, homosexuals and want's Jew's wiped out and so on, is no surprise. I think there would be a lot less blood shed in that area in the past and today, if Carter had supported his friend, the Shah. Considering all the support your Khomeini's provide to terrorism outside their own borders.
I note you didn't argue with one of his of Carter's failures. That's helpful (snork).

He isn't my Khomeini, nor have I supported him. Stop lying.

[floo]

I couldn't open the link but, seriously, Jimmy Carter a socialist?  You (OMW) must be joking.

There are no mainstream socialist politicians in the US, imo. The Democrats would be regarded as Conservatives in the UK, and as for the Republicans many of them are to the right of the BNP, like that nasty Trump!

[OH MY WORLD!]

Here is an article written halfway through the dark years of the peanut farmer presidency.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2000/01/21politics-hess

Well Brownie, please understand, American and Canadian socialism are not the same and they are not the same as European brands either. You don't want me to believe that the socialism of the UK is the socialism of Venezuela do you?

To Mr. Nearly,
"Iran under the great leadership of the Shah is an island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world."   peanut farmer Jimmy Carter

[Nearly Sane]

Here is an article written halfway through the dark years of the peanut farmer presidency.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2000/01/21politics-hess

Well Brownie, please understand, American and Canadian socialism are not the same and they are not the same as European brands either. You don't want me to believe that the socialism of the UK is the socialism of Venezuela do you?

To Mr. Nearly,
"Iran under the great leadership of the Shah is an island of stability in one of the more troubled areas of the world."   peanut farmer Jimmy Carter

Now you are arguing against yourself as well as lying.

[OH MY WORLD!]

How am I lying Mr. Nearly?

Now if Jimmy's brother Billy was president, things would have been a lot better. We would look back today and say, wasn't that a party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrQLruQqZ8

Wish I was old enough to have tried Billy's beer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxJE01FYAek

The Billy Carter Presidency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-KDSxqJ_0o