Leadsom/UKIP.

[Brownie]

Digging a ditch would be the most cost effective option.  A hedge would need more maintenance and there are no funds for that.

[Spud]

The Sunday Times was for Remain, but the Times was for Leave.

No, the Times backed Remain
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-which-newspapers-are-backing-remain-leave-debate-1566488

[Gordon]

You want to dig a ditch? Between England and Scotland? I think a hedge would look better

It seems to me we in Scotland need protection from the political idiocy emanating from south of our border with England.

Not content with having a referendum purely for party political reasons and then it not turning out as Cameron et al expected it would, we are now supposed to feel comfortable that one of the two candidates for PM is a relatively inexperienced lightweight: not only is it inexplicable that people in Toryland take her seriously (along with her fellow Tories who are responsible for the current situation), it now seems that the current games of musical chairs are the main issue and not the impending madness of Brexit.

I'm normally a mild-mannered old soul (most of the time anyway) but this whole fiasco makes my blood boil: so no ditch or hedge, Spud, but perhaps we do need the political equivalent of a very high wall so as to leave you guys to shoot yourselves in whatever feet you still have left without you dragging us down with you - you guys voted for the fucking Tories: not us!   

[Spud]

except reading the transcript, she does make an issue of it.

The final comment Andrea makes suggests she's thinking: that because Mrs May doesnt have children, she might not worry so much about the possibility of a down-turn over the next ten years after which things will pick up again and "be fine". Someone with their own children would be more concerned to avoid a short-term downturn. She is saying she would be more suitable for the job given the circumstances. "Being a mother gives me edge on May" is a contortion to make her appear to be saying, "I'm better than she is".

[Spud]

I'm not convinced the referendum was for party political reasons (unless you mean because 3.8 million people voted ukip). If it will help you sleep better though, Gordon, I didn't vote Tory.

[Harrowby Hall]

I'm not convinced the referendum was for party political reasons (unless you mean because 3.8 million people voted ukip). If it will help you sleep better though, Gordon, I didn't vote Tory.

The primary intention of the referendum was to control the behaviour of the right wing of the Conservative Party: Cash, Redwood et al. Their anti-EU baying predates the arrival of Farage by decades. John Major referred to them as "bastards". The referendum was an expensive, tax-payer funded, attempt at party management.

By showing them that the majority of people in the UK supported membership of the UK they would have been politically emasculated. Unfortunately, the referendum campaign turned out to be a text book case of how to cock things up and Cameron has been despatched to the history books as an idiot destroyed by his own incompetence.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The final comment Andrea makes suggests she's thinking: that because Mrs May doesnt have children, she might not worry so much about the possibility of a down-turn over the next ten years after which things will pick up again and "be fine". Someone with their own children would be more concerned to avoid a short-term downturn. She is saying she would be more suitable for the job given the circumstances. "Being a mother gives me edge on May" is a contortion to make her appear to be saying, "I'm better than she is".

Yes but the short term downturn during which people will lose jobs, houses, experience relationship breakdown, mental illness, lifelong loss of self confidence
was instigated partly by Leadsom as spokesperson for leave. Broken people are part of her manifesto.

[Nearly Sane]

The final comment Andrea makes suggests she's thinking: that because Mrs May doesnt have children, she might not worry so much about the possibility of a down-turn over the next ten years after which things will pick up again and "be fine". Someone with their own children would be more concerned to avoid a short-term downturn. She is saying she would be more suitable for the job given the circumstances. "Being a mother gives me edge on May" is a contortion to make her appear to be saying, "I'm better than she is".

Which is making an issue of it. So will you retract your previous statement? It also makes it an issue not just for this election but effectively states it would be better for a parent to be elected as PM every time.


Also would have been nice for Leadsom to have considered the children before acting to increase the likelihood of a recession.

[Hope]

The primary intention of the referendum was to control the behaviour of the right wing of the Conservative Party: Cash, Redwood et al. Their anti-EU baying predates the arrival of Farage by decades. John Major referred to them as "bastards". The referendum was an expensive, tax-payer funded, attempt at party management.

Other than media speculation, do you have any evidence for this claim, HH?

[Harrowby Hall]

Do you have any evidence that it is not?

The Conservative Party is possibly the oldest political party in the world. In the case of conflict between the interests of the nation or the interests of the party, a true conservative will always put party first.

[Spud]

Which is making an issue of it. So will you retract your previous statement? It also makes it an issue not just for this election but effectively states it would be better for a parent to be elected as PM every time.


Also would have been nice for Leadsom to have considered the children before acting to increase the likelihood of a recession.

In other elections there might not be the imminent prospect of a recession, so it doesn't make it an issue for all elections. But I'll agree with you that she does raise it as an issue in order to sell herself which is natural if one is competing for a job (if she did "make an issue of it" she afterwards said this wasn't er intention).
I have spoken to older people, pro- Brexit, and found that in their eyes, the problem for children is not that they might grow up with a recession, but that they grow up believing that money doesnt have to be worked for.

[Udayana]

No, the Times backed Remain
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-which-newspapers-are-backing-remain-leave-debate-1566488

Yes, sorry, I remembered it the other way round but should have checked. I did think the piece was fair and reasonable interview report though.

[ProfessorDavey]

I have spoken to older people, pro- Brexit, and found that in their eyes, the problem for children is not that they might grow up with a recession, but that they grow up believing that money doesnt have to be worked for.

Really?!?

I have never heard that as an argument. And it makes no sense, if you take the fact that many Brexiters were against freedom of movement. What freedom of movement does is make the job market more competitive, as a brit is going up against an italian and a french person on the basis that the job will go to the best person, not the best person from britain. So the notion of free movement incentives people to have to work harder to earn their way. Restricting free movement means often the person getting the job isn't the best, may no really even be up to it but the 'talent pool' has been artificially restricted by nationality. So no freedom of movement brexit is much more consistent with 'believing that money doesnt have to be worked for' than the EU model.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In other elections there might not be the imminent prospect of a recession, so it doesn't make it an issue for all elections. But I'll agree with you that she does raise it as an issue in order to sell herself which is natural if one is competing for a job (if she did "make an issue of it" she afterwards said this wasn't er intention).
I have spoken to older people, pro- Brexit, and found that in their eyes, the problem for children is not that they might grow up with a recession, but that they grow up believing that money doesnt have to be worked for.

At a pinch these people might have started work in the war years but more probably in the welfare state of Atlee up to the Macmillan years when we ''had never had it so good''. They would have avoided Thatcherite unemployment and have experienced the unbroken quarterly growth of Blair's 10 year administration.

So it sounds like a lot of pious second hand bollocks.

[Nearly Sane]

In other elections there might not be the imminent prospect of a recession, so it doesn't make it an issue for all elections. But I'll agree with you that she does raise it as an issue in order to sell herself which is natural if one is competing for a job (if she did "make an issue of it" she afterwards said this wasn't er intention).
I have spoken to older people, pro- Brexit, and found that in their eyes, the problem for children is not that they might grow up with a recession, but that they grow up believing that money doesnt have to be worked for.

So she made an issue of it and then denied it, which shows she is either incompetent, a liar or an incompetent liar. Given the Cv lies, money should be on the last.

[wigginhall]

I suppose it might be a double bluff - Leadsom thinks that talking about children in relation to May like this will appeal to the Tory rank and file, but she can also deny that she meant it in a nasty way, meanwhile hoping that the nasty side still works.   I don't know, it sounds a bit too clever. 

[Nearly Sane]

Apparently quitting race


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208?SThisFB

[Udayana]

Good. May as PM later today?

[Nearly Sane]

Maybe a bit longer, as Cameron wants to attend G7 but could be quick. Tories will be able to contrast this with Labour Party

[floo]

Wow, I have just seen that Leadsom has withdrawn, GOOD!

[Harrowby Hall]

What id Gove decides he should be back in the running?

[Nearly Sane]

What id Gove decides he should be back in the running?

Isn't up to him, up to the 1922 committee.

[floo]

What id Gove decides he should be back in the running?

He can't. May will be confirmed as PM this afternoon and could move into No 10 in the next few days, as soon as Cameron has booked his removal van, according to the lunchtime news.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Cloud Cuckoo Land,

Old Loathsome has done the decent thing, now all we need is Droopy Eagle to crawl back to where ever she came from and Corbyn can get on with what he does best, stuffing the Tories at every turn and laughing as they make gaff after gaff after gaff

Not to forget our Nicola who is watching from the side lines thinking, just a matter of time before all the cards fall

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Cloud Cuckoo Land,

Old Loathsome has done the decent thing, now all we need is Droopy Eagle to crawl back to where ever she came from and Corbyn can get on with what he does best, stuffing the Tories at every turn and laughing as they make gaff after gaff after gaff

Not to forget our Nicola who is watching from the side lines thinking, just a matter of time before all the cards fall

Gonnagle.

Ah yes the Tories 'being stuffed' by still being in govt, and having had a farce of leadership still managing to be able to claim to be more united than Labour. Next the boundary changes, and PM May will look forward to 9 years of govt.