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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #225 on: July 08, 2019, 02:51:53 PM »
 OK, Pharaohs weren't only Egyptian - and I'm not talking about the Ptolemies.
As Egyptian power declined, the client land of Kush - Nubia - long under Egyptian sway broke away around 850 BC.
From then until around the fourth century AD,a culture of Egyptian and African civilisation existed, with kings reviving the custom of pyramids long abandoned in Egypt - indeed there are hundreds more pyramids in Sudan than in Egypt itself.
These kings had little influence beyond their borders - except for five rulers who conquered Egypt in the seventh century BC - the twenty fifth dynasty; 'Black Pharaohs'.
Here's a report of a dig involving divers in one of the pyramid fields; it appeared on the BBC site last week.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48867830?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1rtiudZ54HHDPIRZo6Ly9F4dzJw33CdP44WtEHWimjMtMO8QiaOS0MR2k
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« Reply #226 on: July 08, 2019, 04:28:23 PM »
Surly a fascinating subject whichever part of Egyptology visited, I particularly enjoy the artistry of the buildings and the hieroglyphs they're so absolutely splendid, they're a delight to the eye as well as all of the other aspects involved.

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« Reply #227 on: July 08, 2019, 05:44:39 PM »
Surly a fascinating subject whichever part of Egyptology visited, I particularly enjoy the artistry of the buildings and the hieroglyphs they're so absolutely splendid, they're a delight to the eye as well as all of the other aspects involved.

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Yep- and not as hard to learn as you might think!
The symbols vary a bit over three millennia, but they remain in unchanged in essence.
I can still trace them reasonably well if they are  carved in smooth stone, and I have a desktop magnifier that can play around with colours as well, making it  possible to enhance them on printed  MSS, or facsimile scrolls.
The ieratic script - that's a kind of cursive hieroglyphs  - is another kettle of fish, though.
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« Reply #228 on: July 08, 2019, 05:45:41 PM »
On the subject of the sphinx, when I first visited Giza, in 1963 I think, the gide took us around the sphinx, walking right up close and being able to touch the layers of rock, but of course I've no idea what the situation there is at present.
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« Reply #229 on: July 08, 2019, 06:11:45 PM »
On the subject of the sphinx, when I first visited Giza, in 1963 I think, the gide took us around the sphinx, walking right up close and being able to touch the layers of rock, but of course I've no idea what the situation there is at present.
   


Hi, Susan;
You can still getup close and personal with the Sphinx. They've even put a reproduction of the famous 'Dream Stela' of Thutmose IV which he had placed between the paws when HE restored it around 1400 BC!
Giza will be the main focus for the tourists in Cairo once the new state-of-the-art Grand Egyptian  Museum -  the GEM - is up and running there, replacing the Cairo Museum...the latter will be able to show more of its' vast stores of artefacts, and give the superb Tanis treasures the prominence they deserve in the former Tutankhamun gallery.
Incidentally, the GEM will have full audio guides, large print and braille guidebooks available.

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #231 on: July 10, 2019, 11:46:19 PM »
First of all the whole idea of that is questionable, but secondly there was not a Greek govt at the time
Well, I did say "as I understand it": I read that somewhere, but it may be inaccurste or misleading.
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« Reply #232 on: July 15, 2019, 05:36:21 PM »
 Lots of stuff from Dahshur, site of several Middle Kingdom pyramids, notably that of Amenemhet II, who ruled nearly seven centuries before Tutankhamun.
The finds date from his era to Roman Egypt, showing the common practice of recycling funerary material.
http://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/72744/A-number-of-stone-pottery-and-wooden-coffins-were-uncovered?fbclid=IwAR2E2uhRO4xStP3Ht09_J4JEkIRXBirXjNZJt_jY1Pwe_IAppdsWDhzJfrY 
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« Reply #233 on: July 16, 2019, 08:30:59 AM »
Now, THAT's what I call a perm.
Definately not hair today, gone tomorrow.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ancient-egyptian-mummy-hair-unearthed-17490913?fbclid=IwAR2Lu6tTC9b1sHBOVHj3sw1xqTiIWLVJQaU2I2ETOH494OnOysYia40liTM
"The Ancient Egyptians applied the serum to their hair, leaving them with perfectly preserved curls lasting over three centuries." I assume that's a mistake for "thirty centuries", since they apparently date from the first millenium BC.
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #234 on: July 16, 2019, 09:09:20 AM »
"The Ancient Egyptians applied the serum to their hair, leaving them with perfectly preserved curls lasting over three centuries." I assume that's a mistake for "thirty centuries", since they apparently date from the first millenium BC.
   
Yep; it's an error.
The Egyptians took hair seriously, both before and after they snuffed it.
Wigs were common for men and women, as most who could afford it shaved their heads in the interests of hygiene and trying to cool down.
Dyes and hair extensions were pretty common, but some recipes for dyes are pretty revolting.
One, dating from around 1500 BC involved henna, honey sap from the date palm and donkey urine.
Anyway, if you're interested, here's a blog which might make
https://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/ancient-egyptian-hair-and-wigs/

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #235 on: July 16, 2019, 10:43:29 AM »
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind.

Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind?

I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2019, 10:56:16 AM »
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind.

Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind?

I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
I believe its use was as a spermicide

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« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2019, 11:25:09 AM »
Hi Anchs - I was told something at school many years ago (and have seen it again since) that I wondered about, and you seem the very man to answer if you don’t mind. Apparently/allegedly the Egyptians used crocodile poop as a contraceptive. I was too shy to ask though how. Was it the chemical content that they ingested and thereby stopped fertility, or is the poop sufficiently elastic to form a barrier of some kind? I await your expert reply with considerable eagerness!
Probably a lot more prosaic than that, bhs. Egyptian 'medicine' was weird and wonderful, and their religion was roped in... Sobek was a deity of both war and fertility in Middle Egypt (Howzat for a contradiction). He's usually portrayed as having a crocodile head. Crocs were seen to regulate their breeding to the Nile inundation, and, Egyptian logic  made them think they could 'abstain' from sex for ten months of the year. So; a quick prayer to Sobek, some crocodile dung applied to the lady's vagina, and hopefully, she wouldn't be pregnant. OK, she might die of infection, but, hey, that's life. Mind you, the Egyptians DID have condoms....some with tiny stones or shells sewn onto the surface....er....I'm supposed not to know why.....
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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #238 on: July 16, 2019, 11:32:21 AM »
Thank you both - highly enlightening!
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« Reply #239 on: July 16, 2019, 11:38:49 AM »
 OK, you asked for it.
My translation of Papyrus Ebers (1(c) )


   ".....that the fruiting her be not strong, say to the lord of battles, in the morning of the river "Take my ka from me when I am with her!
Take the milk from the palm and the offering from  .......(Sobek?)
and use it in the gates....(....) and take the clothes to the river and wash them, perfume them with incense....."

The river was the Nile - the Egyptians had no word for Nile'
Presumably, this ritual took place at dawn.
"Lord of battles" was an epithet of Sobek.
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« Reply #240 on: July 16, 2019, 12:52:29 PM »
There is a possibility that it may have at least been partially effective.

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #241 on: July 16, 2019, 01:21:41 PM »
Anchs - indeed I did. Thank you (I think!).

NS - perhaps, but would that have been because of a chemical effect or because the local studs got within six feet and said, “dear god but you reek of crocodile poo” and rapidly withdrew) as it were)?
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« Reply #242 on: August 24, 2019, 09:29:58 PM »
 This is a good article with video link showing forensic Egyptology at its' best.
The mummy of Ramesses  III,along with more than thirty other kings and nobles of the New Kingdom, was found in one of the two 'cache tombs' nearly 120 years ago.
We've long known, through a papyrus, that a plot to put a usurper on the throe at the end of his life was uncovered, and the culprits 'dealt with'.
Now CT scans of the mummy of the king clearly indicates that he was assassinated.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1169343/egypt-pharaoh-ramses-ct-scan-queen-tiye-bettany-hughes-spt?fbclid=IwAR10SDIcpt1ES6Far8PYpEN7GYxqnqHUXjVWRSDYkkzdEK4YOpSj4LJJxv4


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« Reply #243 on: September 02, 2019, 06:30:13 PM »
  Getting down and dirty with the Nubiologists.
Some great pics from the pyramids.
Not the Egyptian ones, though: the Kushite ones.
From around 1000 BC, Kush - modern day Sudan - started to develop a culture based on African and Pharonic Egyptian themes, gods, writings - the lot.
In the seventh century BC, they ruled a weakened Egypt itself, the twenty-fifth dynasty.
After being expelled, the culture continued to evolve, and exist as a separate quasi-Pharonic state till the fourth century AD, building temples, tombs and royal pyramids - a custom which the Egyptians themselves had ditched around 1800 BC.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/dive-ancient-pyramid-nuri-sudan/?fbclid=IwAR2HehLomxBwCJenCdMbku3Wc7J7wZVNwX-bCXoMk_QfiiGVMgWmxiBWOB0
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« Reply #245 on: September 16, 2019, 10:01:02 AM »
 Another day, another Temple. This time from the Ptolemaic era. In any other country, this would be a major find....but this is Egypt - there are umpteen such examples, and more found each year. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/4/74815/Ptolemaic-temple-was-uncovered-in-Sohag?fbclid=IwAR1CiBAHcMhHLkS9WYeJp1RH12MexHpYflh-2sloUEO7dsR-F1y77q5aUE8
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« Reply #246 on: September 23, 2019, 08:37:43 AM »
 This looks interesting. We've known about Egyptian tracks and 'roads' for as long as there have been Egyptologists. These normally consisted of flattened earth or impacted sand stretching from one town to another, or marked desert trade routes. Now, what looks like a very sophisticated road construcred around 1250 BC has been unearthed. By the description in the article, it equals Roman roads in its' sophistication. https://spectator.sme.sk/c/22210885/slovak-eg yptologists-discovered-ancient-transport-road.html
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« Reply #247 on: September 23, 2019, 12:26:55 PM »
Just doing a bit of catching up - that is all very interesting

It never fails to surprise me that people think the Egyptians couldn't possibly have built what they did - it must have been an unknown superior people, or aliens!!
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« Reply #248 on: September 23, 2019, 12:36:47 PM »
Just doing a bit of catching up - that is all very interesting

It never fails to surprise me that people think the Egyptians couldn't possibly have built what they did - it must have been an unknown superior people, or aliens!!

Most definitely aliens! ;D

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Re: More finds from Egypt (Where else?)
« Reply #249 on: September 23, 2019, 02:51:57 PM »
Hi Anchorman , I have a question ,
Are there any examples of tube drill cores with a continuos helical cut marks showing drillilling techniques of rotation in one direction ?

I'm more interested in how they did it , not why or who for

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