'Protesting'?

[Rhiannon]

It was in some kind of bag, wasn't it

Apparently. The logical explanation is that he didn't know what was in the package because if he had he'd have known he couldn't be arrested for having it. But who knows?

[Nearly Sane]

So why try to swallow it if it isn't poisonous

Are you saying that the findings are lies?

[Nearly Sane]

Apparently. The logical explanation is that he didn't know what was in the package because if he had he'd have known he couldn't be arrested for having it. But who knows?

I think saying the logical explanation is x based on our current knowledge is unjustified

[Rhiannon]

I think saying the logical explanation is x based on our current knowledge is unjustified

You might be right.

[Nearly Sane]

Did he really try and swallow it at that time as we've been told, or did he take it earlier as a pain killer?
Will we ever know?

the statement is as pointed out by others that it was in a bag, and this is what was in his throat. So on that basis, no, not a pain killer.

[trippymonkey]

Shoulda put it down the back of his pants !!!!

[Nearly Sane]

Shoulda put it down the back of his pants !!!!

You seem very excited by the thought of Anadin Extra down someone's pants.

[Robbie]

Police must have been very close indeed to see the packaging before the paracetamol was swallowed.

[Nearly Sane]

Police must have been very close indeed to see the packaging before the paracetamol was swallowed.

It was what was taken out of his throat after death. It isn't what the police said.

[Robbie]

My understanding is that Rashan Charles was wrestled to the floor of the shop by a police officer in an attempt to stop him swallowing 'a package'. A member of the public helped the policeman. I'm not gonna think about it any more until we find out why he was chased, of what he was suspected & why he died. If we do find out.

This article from yesterday's Guardian:-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/police-swift-answers-rashan-charles

[Nearly Sane]

My understanding is that Rashan Charles was wrestled to the floor of the shop by a police officer in an attempt to stop him swallowing 'a package'. A member of the public helped the policeman. I'm not gonna think about it any more until we find out why he was chased, of what he was suspected & why he died. If we do find out.

This article from yesterday's Guardian:-
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/26/police-swift-answers-rashan-charles

which has nothing in itself to do with the findings of what was taken out his throat and what is being announced. The finding that it was paracetamol and caffeine isn't from the description of the police and member of the public

[trippymonkey]

Thing is - if it WAS only para whatevers, then why try to swallow it when the cops arrive ?!!?!?

[Nearly Sane]

Thing is - if it WAS only para whatevers, then why try to swallow it when the cops arrive ?!!?!?

Do you have any reason currently to doubt that it was paracetamol and caffeine tablets?

[trippymonkey]

I thought my post just before yours says it all, no
Remember it was in a BAG & not separate pills !!!

[Nearly Sane]

I thought my post just before yours says it all, no
Remember it was in a BAG & not separate pills !!!

So? Why is that a reason to doubt what has been announced?

[Robbie]

Trippy it definitely was paracetamol, no-one would lie about that. Why Rashan Charles would swallow it (still wrapped if that really was the case), we don't know and may never know but the main point is the policeman got him on the ground, tried to get it out of his throat and the bloke died. Which is terrible. There seems to have been no reason for him to die unless medical tests showed that he had an unknown underlying illness.

All anyone can hope is that there is no cover up.  The latest I could find:-
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/04/rashan-charles-family-air-concerns-openness-fairness-ipcc

[trippymonkey]

R
Thanks for that. It begs the question - what kind of mental state was he in? Did he feel it DID have illicit stuff in it?

[Nearly Sane]

R
Thanks for that. It begs the question - what kind of mental state was he in? Did he feel it DID have illicit stuff in it?

That's not what begging the question means.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

[trippymonkey]

Oh very useful - now answer the bloody question, LOL

[Robbie]

R
Thanks for that. It begs the question - what kind of mental state was he in? Did he feel it DID have illicit stuff in it?

It might raise that question in some minds but nobody knows what was in his mind & pointless to speculate. If he was in a poor mental state at that time being chased was hardly helpful.

Who seriously thinks paracetamol contains illicit stuff? Unless it's ground up to look like coke - but we're speculating & no point in that.

Blood tests would have shown up any medication,no need to try and force it out of his throat.

Regardless of what was in anyone's mind at the time, Rashan Charles is dead & his loved ones need to know how & why he died.

[Rhiannon]

But again it was in a package. Nobody was trying to force medication from his throat. For me the thing that I didn't think of is whether the police have training in doing so safely. If they see someone swallow a package I think that they would have to act or be accused of negligence/callousness but it has to be done safely.

Tabs don't need to be ground up to resemble drugs.

[Robbie]

Yes the fact that it was in a package and swallowed is odd.It's all bizarre actually, wonder if the truth will come out.

I agree with this:-
"If they see someone swallow a package I think that they would have to act or be accused of negligence/callousness but it has to be done safely."

[jeremyp]

Why did he swallow a package of paracetamol when the police came?

Two potential explanations that I thought of off the top of my head:

• He thought they were something illegal. He wouldn't be the first person to be ripped off by a drug supplier.
• He stole them.

[Robbie]

Yup. Neither of which, though wrong, are capital offences. You'd think the law would have bigger fish to fry.
He must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Nearly Sane]

Yup. Neither of which, though wrong, are capital offences. You'd think the law would have bigger fish to fry.
He must have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Don't think we have enough information to conclude that.