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Nearly Sane

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Spirit photography
« on: October 16, 2017, 04:58:05 PM »
Interesting little article on the phenomenon of spirit photographs


http://www.openculture.com/2017/10/eerie-19th-century-photographs-of-ghosts.html

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2017, 05:08:57 PM »
That's the best collection of double exposures I've seen in a long time  ;)

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They were ordinary people bereaved by the mass death of the Civil War and deeply motivated to accept physical confirmation of an afterlife.
reminded me that Britain's own spiritualist boom came during and after the Great War,  spearheaded by Sir Oliver Lodge (who lost his son Raymond) and championed by big names such as Conan Doyle*.

* Who lost whatever credibility he may ever have had when the Cottingley fairy photographs, in which he was a staunch believer, turned out to be pictures of fairies cut out of books and stuck in the ground with hatpins.
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2017, 08:03:01 PM »
The most hilarious ones are of 'ectoplasm'; some are at the Arthur Findlay College, the study centre for the British Spiritualists Association or whatever they are called, as 'proof' of spiritualist mediumship.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2017, 11:46:20 PM »
The most hilarious ones are of 'ectoplasm'; some are at the Arthur Findlay College, the study centre for the British Spiritualists Association or whatever they are called, as 'proof' of spiritualist mediumship.


 Not a joke, there really is a newspaper called 'The Psychic News', why?

Shouldn't they all know anyway?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 08:00:34 AM »
Weren't a few of those involved in the study and development of electromagnetic waves spiritualists? Oliver Lodge was an EM pioneer. While the relatively hard imagination-free agnostic mind being more attracted to Biology?
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 12:00:27 PM »
The most hilarious ones are of 'ectoplasm'; some are at the Arthur Findlay College, the study centre for the British Spiritualists Association or whatever they are called, as 'proof' of spiritualist mediumship.
https://youtu.be/W0HncGNBCqY

unbelievable ???

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2017, 12:08:10 PM »
So "spirit photography" is not pictures of Johnny Walker and Captain Morgan?
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2017, 05:36:31 PM »
Weren't a few of those involved in the study and development of electromagnetic waves spiritualists? Oliver Lodge was an EM pioneer. While the relatively hard imagination-free agnostic mind being more attracted to Biology?

Nicolas Marks?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2017, 05:53:18 PM »
Weren't a few of those involved in the study and development of electromagnetic waves spiritualists? Oliver Lodge was an EM pioneer. While the relatively hard imagination-free agnostic mind being more attracted to Biology?
If you mean that Lodge was heavy on the imagination, no disagreement from me, Vlad ;)
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2017, 06:02:31 PM »
If you mean that Lodge was heavy on the imagination, no disagreement from me, Vlad ;)
I was just saying that physicists seem to have a greater imagination than biologists.

And the legacy is seen NDG Tyson vs PZ Myers
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2017, 06:07:41 PM »
I was just saying that physicists seem to have a greater imagination than biologists.

And the legacy is seen NDG Tyson vs PZ Myers
Useful thing, imagination.

But in science the finishing line is the same whatever the branch may be ;)
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 08:43:44 PM »
I was just saying that physicists seem to have a greater imagination than biologists.

And the legacy is seen NDG Tyson vs PZ Myers

Possibly, but I immediately thought of Alfred Russell Wallace who was a keen advocate of spiritualism as well a being one of the leading evolutionary thinkers of his time.
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2017, 08:57:53 PM »
Possibly, but I immediately thought of Alfred Russell Wallace who was a keen advocate of spiritualism as well a being one of the leading evolutionary thinkers of his time.
I was thinking of him too.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2017, 10:42:14 PM »
Yours is the superior knowledge Gentlemen.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 04:15:01 PM »
 ::)
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 08:38:50 PM »

Talking of spirit photography here is a CCTV footage ....

https://rachfeed.com/cctv-footage-shows-spirit-woman-died-fatal-crash/

Another....

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/10/04/people-claim-to-see-spirit-leaving-womans-body-after-fatal-acci/21491538/
It's sad that people are using this poor woman's death to fake up this, probably trying to make money.
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 05:25:17 AM »
It's sad that people are using this poor woman's death to fake up this, probably trying to make money.


But that's just your belief isn't it?!  No proof that it is fake. 

After all, most people in the world do believe in spirits and life after death!  The videos could just be evidence of that aspect of reality. 
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2017, 06:51:46 AM »
Anybody who likes this kind of thing should try the 1972 film The Asphyx.

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2017, 07:25:51 AM »

But that's just your belief isn't it?!  No proof that it is fake. 

After all, most people in the world do believe in spirits and life after death!  The videos could just be evidence of that aspect of reality.
I was alone with my dad watching him die . I didn't see anything leave his body when he did . Or does that only happen in certain circumstances?

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2017, 07:42:24 AM »
I was alone with my dad watching him die . I didn't see anything leave his body when he did . Or does that only happen in certain circumstances?


Yes....even I was sitting next to my father and FIL as they passed away....and I did not see anything leaving the body. If we could actually see the soul/spirit we wouldn't be discussing it in this manner would we?!

We cannot see or hear or feel the spirit/soul and that's the whole point. It is said that, under some special circumstances, especially if the person who died is fairly young, the soul can be felt or even seen.  These are unknown phenomena...so going into intricate details is not meaningful.

In the first video the guys on the scene obviously did not 'see' anything. But one of them seems to have felt something as he extended his hand through the soul ....or so it seemed to me. 

Also FYI, black souls mean not very evolved souls (more selfish) while white soul means more developed and loving.  :)

Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so.  Souls are normal!

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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2017, 09:23:48 AM »

But that's just your belief isn't it?!  No proof that it is fake. 

After all, most people in the world do believe in spirits and life after death!  The videos could just be evidence of that aspect of reality.
Why would the video be "sensitive" to souls? It just records light, the same light that we see?
Unless it was fake!
No proof that it is not fake!
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2017, 09:28:25 AM »
But that's just your belief isn't it?!  No proof that it is fake. 

After all, most people in the world do believe in spirits and life after death!  The videos could just be evidence of that aspect of reality.
A negative proof fallacy and an ad populum in two sentences.

That level of concentrated wrongness must take some work.
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2017, 11:06:20 AM »
  No proof that it is fake. 


Jusr ask yourself, why is the "soul" in the film vaguely human shaped?
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Re: Spirit photography
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2017, 11:06:27 AM »
A negative proof fallacy and an ad populum in two sentences.

That level of concentrated wrongness must take some work.
here we go again , no amount of explaining the 'wrongness' will ever get through unfortunately.
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you carry on my friend if you wish , good luck  ::) ::) ::)