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Life after death
« on: November 15, 2017, 11:51:05 AM »
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 12:08:57 PM »
Absolutely true. Sriram has shown us a video of a dead woman's soul leaving her body.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 12:14:35 PM »
Absolutely true. Sriram has shown us a video of a dead woman's soul leaving her body.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 01:40:51 PM »
You don't have to believe in God to believe in life after death - the two beliefs are logically independent. There might be a life after death which is simply part of the way the universe happens to be. One can also believe in God without believing in life after death: it appears that that was what the ancient Hebrews believed. They thought your reward or punishment came in this life.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 01:43:30 PM »
You don't have to believe in God to believe in life after death - the two beliefs are logically independent. There might be a life after death which is simply part of the way the universe happens to be. One can also believe in God without believing in life after death: it appears that that was what the ancient Hebrews believed. They thought your reward or punishment came in this life.

That is why I put this thread for general, not religious discussion.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 01:47:02 PM »
That is why I put this tread for general, not religious discussion.
Quite. I was simply posting a thought on the topic, which is what you asked for.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 02:24:53 PM »
Is there life after death?

Going by the evidence we have for any form of life after death it's unlikely, but there if it keeps you happy to think we do?

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 07:47:18 PM »
Is there life after death?

When the plane runs out of fuel and comes crashing down, will it take off and start flying again ?  Doubt it. 

Maybe in the future we will be able to upload our minds to the Cloud, but that's a long way off, and that 'life' would be unrecognisable.

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 07:49:19 PM »
Maybe in the future we will be able to upload our minds to the Cloud
Spot the one who watched Transcendence the other night ;)
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 07:53:31 PM »
Nah, not guilty mate  :D

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 07:54:56 PM »
'Twas but a thought, since basically that's the plot of the film.

Worth seeing ... albeit once.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 08:55:30 PM »
Is there life after death?
Going by the evidence we have for any form of life after death it's unlikely, but there if it keeps you happy to think we do?
ippy

Can you prove you're alive now & then say what has 'gone' when we 'die'???

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2017, 04:10:36 AM »
Is there life after death?

When the plane runs out of fuel and comes crashing down, will it take off and start flying again ?  Doubt it. 

Maybe in the future we will be able to upload our minds to the Cloud, but that's a long way off, and that 'life' would be unrecognisable.


The plane that comes crashing down cannot fly again by itself....but the pilot who ejects can fly again in another plane!  The spirit is the pilot, not the plane.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2017, 04:12:25 AM »
Absolutely true. Sriram has shown us a video of a dead woman's soul leaving her body.

HH

Not to put too fine a point on it....but Floo can show you more pictures of ghosts that I possibly can!!

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2017, 04:26:46 AM »
Some people hope life goes on after death so they can meet up with their loved ones. Whilst in theory that might be something worth hoping for, it is possible in any future existence we are nothing like the people we are in this life, we might not even be human. Just a thought.

What are the thoughts of others on this topic?



Of course, Life goes on after death....even for those who think otherwise!!

We get reincarnated into other bodies and develop further...and when we are sufficiently developed, we become Free and stop reincarnating. That is real Freedom.....freedom from the sense of individuality that makes us self obsessed.   

The entire Hindu, Jain and Buddhist philosophies are centered around this concept.

What evidence do we have?  There are thousands of NDE's that indicate a life after death. Ian Stevenson has done significant research on reincarnation and found some evidence.   

It also makes more sense than the 'food for bacteria' theory.....and ties in with our general tendency to become more and more loving, selfless and universal.   

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 07:01:58 AM »

The plane that comes crashing down cannot fly again by itself....but the pilot who ejects can fly again in another plane!  The spirit is the pilot, not the plane.

Cars and planes are not nearly so complex as persons, but they are becoming more sophisticated. Self driving cars and self flying planes are on the route to becoming more like us; in concept, a person is like a virtual driver or pilot created by an autonomous vehicle as a sophisticated form of control.  This is what the evidence is telling us.  The idea that living things are driven by something separate has no basis in evidence or reason.  Does a carrot grow because at some point it is invaded by a carrot spirit which causes it to grow and when the carrot dies are we to imagine that the carrot spirit runs off to find another baby carrot to invade ?

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2017, 07:15:09 AM »
Cars and planes are not nearly so complex as persons, but they are becoming more sophisticated. Self driving cars and self flying planes are on the route to becoming more like us; in concept, a person is like a virtual driver or pilot created by an autonomous vehicle as a sophisticated form of control.  This is what the evidence is telling us.  The idea that living things are driven by something separate has no basis in evidence or reason.  Does a carrot grow because at some point it is invaded by a carrot spirit which causes it to grow and when the carrot dies are we to imagine that the carrot spirit runs off to find another baby carrot to invade ?



As discussed earlier...self driving cars only tell us that we can drive cars remotely, not that they don't need any driver.  Self driven cars are driven by the software and hardware that we humans have developed, just like other robots. So...nothing new there.

As I have said earlier, if a self driven car crashes up we will not arrest the car. We will only pull up the software and GPS guys. In other words, the Consciousness is working from somewhere else and needs to take responsibility for the car.

On the second point...Life energy is different from Consciousness. Consciousness (spirit) is said to be independent of the body/brain. But Life is an energy called Prana (or Chi for those who prefer Chinese) which enters something and gives it life.  If the prana leaves the object is dead.

The difference between Consciousness and Life is the difference between the User of a computer and the electricity that powers the computer.   There are however different levels of consciousness.

So a carrot plant has prana (or electricity) that gives it life. ..but its level of consciousness is very low. It does not have an individual spirit. Prana exists everywhere all around us and can enter any thing that it finds appropriate.  It is a naturally existing 'life energy'.   Consciousness is more complex.







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Re: Life after death
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2017, 07:46:21 AM »
As discussed earlier...self driving cars only tell us that we can drive cars remotely, not that they don't need any driver.  Self driven cars are driven by the software and hardware that we humans have developed, just like other robots. So...nothing new there.

As I have said earlier, if a self driven car crashes up we will not arrest the car. We will only pull up the software and GPS guys. In other words, the Consciousness is working from somewhere else and needs to take responsibility for the car.

On the second point...Life energy is different from Consciousness. Consciousness (spirit) is said to be independent of the body/brain. But Life is an energy called Prana (or Chi for those who prefer Chinese) which enters something and gives it life.  If the prana leaves the object is dead.

The difference between Consciousness and Life is the difference between the User of a computer and the electricity that powers the computer.   There are however different levels of consciousness.

So a carrot plant has prana (or electricity) that gives it life. ..but its level of consciousness is very low. It does not have an individual spirit. Prana exists everywhere all around us and can enter any thing that it finds appropriate.  It is a naturally existing 'life energy'.   Consciousness is more complex.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2017, 08:12:32 AM »
Of course, Life goes on after death....even for those who think otherwise!!
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2017, 08:16:11 AM »
Can you prove you're alive now & then say what has 'gone' when we 'die'???

I think it's useful to consider the difference between being asleep and being under general anaesthetic (or in a coma).  When we are asleep, there is a person still there, only just.  We can say this because we have dreams, requiring a subject of experience; also when we wake we have a slight sense of time having passed.  Not so under general, we wake with no feeling of time having elapsed.  Those nasty anaesthetists kill 'people' for a living, and then bring them back to life.  So in this limited sense, there is life after death.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2017, 08:25:27 AM »
HH

Not to put too fine a point on it....but Floo can show you more pictures of ghosts that I possibly can!!

For which I have claimed there is no doubt a natural explanation.

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2017, 08:46:57 AM »
On the second point...Life energy is different from Consciousness. Consciousness (spirit) is said to be independent of the body/brain. But Life is an energy called Prana (or Chi for those who prefer Chinese) which enters something and gives it life.  If the prana leaves the object is dead.

The difference between Consciousness and Life is the difference between the User of a computer and the electricity that powers the computer.   There are however different levels of consciousness.

So a carrot plant has prana (or electricity) that gives it life. ..but its level of consciousness is very low. It does not have an individual spirit. Prana exists everywhere all around us and can enter any thing that it finds appropriate.  It is a naturally existing 'life energy'.   Consciousness is more complex.

And your evidence for all this is....    missing.
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2017, 08:53:35 AM »
HH

Not to put too fine a point on it....but Floo can show you more pictures of ghosts that I possibly can!!
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Re: Life after death
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2017, 09:01:42 AM »


Of course, Life goes on after death....even for those who think otherwise!!

We get reincarnated into other bodies and develop further...and when we are sufficiently developed, we become Free and stop reincarnating. That is real Freedom.....freedom from the sense of individuality that makes us self obsessed.   

The entire Hindu, Jain and Buddhist philosophies are centered around this concept.

What evidence do we have?  There are thousands of NDE's that indicate a life after death. Ian Stevenson has done significant research on reincarnation and found some evidence.   

It also makes more sense than the 'food for bacteria' theory.....and ties in with our general tendency to become more and more loving, selfless and universal.
no wonder the general population are backward toothless morons if this is what they believe , there's no reason for them to be self motivated .
Your understanding of NDEs is indicative of wishful thinking ,nothing else 

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Re: Life after death
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2017, 09:06:54 AM »
Sriram Ji
Are you saying ALL spirits are born imperfect & have to be 'educated' & 'purified' before they can move on?

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