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Dart Charge
« on: February 09, 2018, 04:58:09 PM »
I'm Livid
The Dartford Bridge toll used to be £1.00. Now it's £2.50 plus £35.00 every time your dosy sister borrows the car to pick up her fiancé from Stanstead!
They must be making a stack of money. If people had to stop and pay they wouldn't forget and be robbed. Off with whosever head thought of the crazy idea this instant.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 05:01:01 PM »
I'm Livid
The Dartford Bridge toll used to be £1.00. Now it's £2.50 plus £35.00 every time your dosy sister borrows the car to pick up her fiancé from Stanstead!
They must be making a stack of money. If people had to stop and pay they wouldn't forget and be robbed. Off with whosever head thought of the crazy idea this instant.

Hi Livid

Simple solution: move to Scotland and let your sister fend for herself.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 05:29:10 PM »
Further Greater London is coming, Spud.

We in other parts of North West Kent  tried to stop the expansion of the vile monstrosity, but we were ignored. You will be ignored too.

Greater London is shit. We do, in the Bromley Borough, still have our Kentish identity, which has not been completely destroyed by Greater London shit, but the "London" Labour Party will do their best to brick us over.

Stand in the middle of the village of Downe. Think of Charles Darwin, and his family, whom from what I can gather lived a happy and peaceful life.

Then think of the same place, bricked over for "Affordable Housing" for garbage from Sham.


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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 05:43:42 PM »
Spud,

Just fyi you can set up an automated debit arrangement with them whereby whenever you (or your sister) use the tunnel it tops up your account, thereby avoiding the risk of a penalty even when you forget about it. That's what we do anyway.   

PS There are worse places than Stansted by the way! 
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 06:43:59 PM »
Greater London is fine. Not as good as being in Islington or Notting Hill but not bad at all. Nice to be included and exclusive.

Stanstead is good and handy. Spud tell your sister to always have £2.50 in her purse, it's small change.
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 08:11:32 PM »
Hi Livid

Simple solution: move to Scotland and let your sister fend for herself.
Thanks Gordon, will try that next week.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 08:16:04 PM »
Thanks Gordon, will try that next week.

Good stuff: you know it makes sense.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2018, 08:19:42 PM »
Further Greater London is coming, Spud.

We in other parts of North West Kent  tried to stop the expansion of the vile monstrosity, but we were ignored. You will be ignored too.

Greater London is shit. We do, in the Bromley Borough, still have our Kentish identity, which has not been completely destroyed by Greater London shit, but the "London" Labour Party will do their best to brick us over.

Stand in the middle of the village of Downe. Think of Charles Darwin, and his family, whom from what I can gather lived a happy and peaceful life.

Then think of the same place, bricked over for "Affordable Housing" for garbage from Sham.
I know. Downe is beautiful. Is it part of the green belt? I have the same fear for all the Downland around London, especially a place we call "the Bumps" which is a huge group of bomb craters and a nearby field that in summers s full of orchids.
I got a £120 parking fine in Bromley once (half if paid in 14 days but twice as much as outside London)

After I posted the op I realised the dart charge is like a restricted parking that you don't realise exists. I got caught out in bishop stortford which presumably they don't want people to use as a car park for Stansted.

Bluehillside, that's a really good suggestion. Thanks!

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2018, 08:50:52 PM »
I'm Livid
The Dartford Bridge toll used to be £1.00. Now it's £2.50 plus £35.00 every time your dosy sister borrows the car to pick up her fiancé from Stanstead!
They must be making a stack of money. If people had to stop and pay they wouldn't forget and be robbed. Off with whosever head thought of the crazy idea this instant.

Where?

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2018, 09:59:29 PM »

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2018, 10:02:33 PM »
Down is in the London Borough of Bromley, Spud.
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2018, 10:15:18 PM »
I know but it's still in the countryside, Robbie. Tbh the M25 has killed the green belt, if only because of noise pollution.

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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2018, 11:18:19 PM »
Yees.....but not very far in the countryside, Spud. I can get there is no time by car and I live fairly close to the town centre.

Thing is, in London and Greater London, there are dense places and round the corner is a common or a wild park or garden. Think Hampstead, Primrose Hill, Anyone near Hyde Park, Richmond, Wimbledon and Bromley. Never mind parts of Essex - Epping Forest.

To me, real countryside starts much further away than Greater London and is usually part of a rural setting where people and ways of life are a bit different.

(After all that, I want to go away on holiday. I fancy North Yorkshire.)
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2018, 08:50:04 AM »
Down is in the London Borough of Bromley, Spud. Not green belt.

Downe is part of the Metropolitan Green Belt, same difference.

And not even Bromley Council use the disgusting L word. Look on your Council Tax letters, it says simply "Bromley".

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2018, 11:36:32 AM »
Yees.....but not very far in the countryside, Spud. I can get there is no time by car and I live fairly close to the town centre.

Thing is, in London and Greater London, there are dense places and round the corner is a common or a wild park or garden. Think Hampstead, Primrose Hill, Anyone near Hyde Park, Richmond, Wimbledon and Bromley. Never mind parts of Essex - Epping Forest.

To me, real countryside starts much further away than Greater London and is usually part of a rural setting where people and ways of life are a bit different.

(After all that, I want to go away on holiday. I fancy North Yorkshire.)

I live in the proper countryside and you are right, life is different. The Just Eat app is as pointless as Andy Carroll’s man bun and anyone local on Tinder has just broken up with his sister.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2018, 03:29:22 PM »
Downe is part of the Metropolitan Green Belt, same difference.

And not even Bromley Council use the disgusting L word. Look on your Council Tax letters, it says simply "Bromley".

I can't be bothered to search for a council tax statement but you're probably right about that, I wouldn't have noticed.  However London Borough of Bromley is correct
http://www.bromley.gov.uk/

Some of Bromley is in the green belt, not where I live.

What on earth is wrong with being part of London and why such a chip about it? I've assumed, from things you've said, you're about same age as me and I've never known anyone my age or younger who doesn't think Bromley is part of London and who isn't glad of it!

Whatever you call Bromley, it's not rural countryside.  Downe is only just over 14 miles to Charing Cross in central London.  It takes from 17mins (fast train) to 25minutes stopping at different stations,  to travel from Bromley South to Victoria Station.  The reason many people like living here is because of close proximity to town and ease of travel.

I live in the proper countryside and you are right, life is different. The Just Eat app is as pointless as Andy Carroll’s man bun and anyone local on Tinder has just broken up with his sister.

You're absolutely right Rhiannon. I often go down to a part of Sussex where my sister in law and family live and it is a different world, even in the town.  Parts of Essex are amazing too.

However this thread was about the Dartford toll tunnel and Dartford is in Borough of Dartford, an
English non-metropolitan district. Dartford people are far from rural.
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2018, 04:24:51 PM »
I can't be bothered to search for a council tax statement but you're probably right about that, I wouldn't have noticed.  However London Borough of Bromley is correct
http://www.bromley.gov.uk/

Nobody, apart from you, wants to call it a "London" Borough. Each and every town, and village, and some hamlets, have their own sign, all of which include the Horse of Kent. The "official" coat of arms of your "London" Borough are featured only on the wall of the Civic Centre, and I doubt if anybody who does not work there could even tell you what the wretched thing actually looks like.

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Some of Bromley is in the green belt, not where I live.

There is still an open field farm within the town boundaries, let alone the borough, 54 % of which is open space. As far as I am concerned, the likes of Beckenham town centre, & Penge High Street are not in Bromley they are separate towns.

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What on earth is wrong with being part of London and why such a chip about it? I've assumed, from things you've said, you're about same age as me and I've never known anyone my age or younger who doesn't think Bromley is part of London and who isn't glad of it!

Few have ever claimed that Bromley, Kent is "London", anybody with half a brain knows that Bromley, London, is Bromley by Bow.

I have never met anybody my age or younger who does not consider Bromley, Kent, to be suburban Kent, and not "London", and who does not find the description "Londoner" when applied to them to be anything other than insulting. If you go to Woolwich & call yourself a "Londoner" they will fall over with laughter at your expense.

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Whatever you call Bromley, it's not rural countryside.  Downe is only just over 14 miles to Charing Cross in central London.  It takes from 17mins (fast train) to 25minutes stopping at different stations,  to travel from Bromley South to Victoria Station.  The reason many people like living here is because of close proximity to town and ease of travel.

I don't think anybody would claim the Medway Towns to be rural countryside, but nobody claims them to anything other than Kent. Train times mean nothing, it can take just as long to get into London (real London that is) from Bromley North as it does from Sevenoaks.

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However this thread was about the Dartford toll tunnel and Dartford is in Borough of Dartford, an
English non-metropolitan district. Dartford people are far from rural.

So you think that they are "Londoners" too?  FTR If you want to put on your pearly queen outfit & walk down Jail Lane, Biggin Hill, singing "Maybe its because I'm a Londoner" go ahead, but beware of the bulls in the neighbouring fields.

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2018, 04:43:48 PM »
We will be boring everyone stiff with our talk about Bromley (Dartford is a different place), and I'm not a cockney, Humph so would hardly be donning a pearly queen outfit any more than would someone from Kew. Let's drop the subject please, we disagree on this matter but I am not an eccentric fanatic & feel less strongly about it than you.
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2018, 05:25:16 PM »
We will be boring everyone stiff with our talk about Bromley (Dartford is a different place), and I'm not a cockney, Humph so would hardly be donning a pearly queen outfit any more than would someone from Kew. Let's drop the subject please, we disagree on this matter but I am not an eccentric fanatic & feel less strongly about it than you.

I do not consider myself to be an "eccentric fanatic" but somebody who wants his own heritage rather than the plastic fake heritage which "Londoners" try to impose on me.

Anyway, so as to get back to the OP

http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/15984918.dartford-crossing-closed-due-to-controlled-detonation-of-wwii-device/?ref=mr&lp=9

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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2018, 05:08:54 PM »
Spud,

Just fyi you can set up an automated debit arrangement with them whereby whenever you (or your sister) use the tunnel it tops up your account, thereby avoiding the risk of a penalty even when you forget about it. That's what we do anyway.   

PS There are worse places than Stansted by the way!
Thanks bhs, have set up an automated account. I wouldn't have known about this so thank you!

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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 05:24:11 PM »
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Thanks bhs, have set up an automated account. I wouldn't have known about this so thank you!

No problem Spud - you're very welcome.
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2018, 05:04:52 AM »
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The Dartford Bridge toll used to be £1.00. Now it's £2.50 plus £35.00 every time your dosy sister borrows the car to pick up her fiancé from Stanstead!
They must be making a stack of money. If people had to stop and pay they wouldn't forget and be robbed. Off with whosever head thought of the crazy idea this instant.

Can't you just go the other way round the M25?
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Re: Dart Charge
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 08:37:06 AM »
Can't you just go the other way round the M25?

Cutting off nose to spite face comes to mind.

For some people (say, coming from Norfolk to take a ferry from Dover) the cost of additional fuel would be be several times the cost of the Dart crossing. Even coming from the Midlands, for someone using the M1 or cutting across to the M11, the additional fuel cost is significant.

I think the current arrangement has come from the mind of some London-based bureaucrat who treats the rest of the country with contempt.
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2018, 09:28:25 AM »
He was joking Harrowby.
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2018, 10:34:02 AM »
He was joking Harrowby.

Someone noticed at least. Yes, it was a joke, even if it wasn't a very good one.
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