Labour and anti semitism

[Nearly Sane]

Much has been made of whether Corbyn is or is not anti semitic, I dibpn't think he is, but the problem for labour is this is a more general indication of a split party. The article below is from a Labour supporting journalist in a traditionally Labour paper. Reading it, I struggle to see it as a call to arms more a sigh of surender



https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-deep-anti-semitic-problems-12274210

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Much has been made of whether Corbyn is or is not anti semitic, I dibpn't think he is, but the problem for labour is this is a more general indication of a split party. The article below is from a Labour supporting journalist in a traditionally Labour paper. Reading it, I struggle to see it as a call to arms more a sigh of surender



https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/labour-deep-anti-semitic-problems-12274210

Labour falling into line with another tory generated narrative IMHO.

[Nearly Sane]

Labour falling into line with another tory generated narrative IMHO.

Which is surely just another reason not to vote for them?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Which is surely just another reason not to vote for them?

There are only two parties down here to vote for.

[Nearly Sane]

There are only two parties down here to vote for.

Last time I looked there were at least 3 in most places.

[Steve H]

Of course neither he nor the Labour Party are anti-semitic. He supports the moderate Palestinian cause, and quite right too, and some Zionists love to confuse that and anti-semitism, and naturally the Hate-Mail, the Excess and the Scum will jump on that bad-wagon: any stick to hit Labour with, regardless of the truth.
[Edit] "Band-wagon" I meant above, although then again...

[Nearly Sane]

Of course neither he nor the Labour Party are anti-semitic. He supports the moderate Palestinian cause, and quite right too, and some Zionists love to confuse that and anti-semitism, and naturally the Hate-Mail, the Excess and the Scum will jump on that bad-wagon: any stick to hit Labour with, regardless of the truth.
[Edit] "Band-wagon" I meant above, although then again...

So those Labour MPs on the protest were Zionists? Or Zionist dupes? Neither Corbyn nor the Labour party itself would need to be anti semitic for the Labour Party to have a problem with anti semitism.

I like bad-wagon

[Rhiannon]

Something us badly wrong when people are calling for the deselection of someone like David Lammy for attending a rally in support of his constituents.

[Steve H]

"Labour has a problem with anti-semitism" is not only a lie, it's weasel words, used by the afore-mentioned arse-wipes to avoid a libel case, which they'd face if they said that Labour or Corbyn were anti-semitic.

[Rhiannon]

"Labour has a problem with anti-semitism" is not only a lie, it's weasel words, used by the afore-mentioned arse-wipes to avoid a libel case, which they'd face if they said that Labour or Corbyn were anti-semitic.

So what do you make of people within Labour who think there is a problem? Why did Labour MPs attend the recent rally?

[Nearly Sane]

"Labour has a problem with anti-semitism" is not only a lie, it's weasel words, used by the afore-mentioned arse-wipes to avoid a libel case, which they'd face if they said that Labour or Corbyn were anti-semitic.

So Labour MPs are avoiding calling the party they represent anti semitic because the party they represent would then sue them? Can a party sue an individual?

[wigginhall]

There's often a conflation between criticism of Israel and anti-Semitism, which is false.  However, the Palestinian groups have some dodgy characters in them, and Corbyn is insensitive, I think.  No doubt the right wing are using this to attack Labour and Corbyn, the communist traitor.

[Nearly Sane]

It's more the issue of Labour on Labour attack that I am raising here. The admirable Torcuil Crichton who wrote the article in the OP is a long term Labour supporter. No doubt he might be being lead by a cunning Tory plot but as alraady pointed out if Labour MPs and supporters are doing this because of that, then why should I vote for a party at war with itself because lots of its members are stupid?

[wigginhall]

I thought that right wing Labour had always hated Corbyn?   I suppose many Labour members live with the tension of a divided party, but it always has been, hasn't it?  I was a member in the 60s, and my local branch was full of right wing trade unionists.  Well, I left, but I keep thinking of rejoining.

[Nearly Sane]

As I said in the OP, I think this is the symbol of a the divided party, and yes, parties are always to some extent divided but this seems worse than I have previously seen the LP. I'm not sure that it is easy just to portray this as a right left battle in the party.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So what do you make of people within Labour who think there is a problem? Why did Labour MPs attend the recent rally?

Anti Corbyn.

Labour wanting labour as a perpetual opposition is not unknown you know. For me even Corbyn has yet to prove himself beyond that.

 

[wigginhall]

As I said in the OP, I think this is the symbol of a the divided party, and yes, parties are always to some extent divided but this seems worse than I have previously seen the LP. I'm not sure that it is easy just to portray this as a right left battle in the party.

I don't know really.   I met some local members, and they impressed me with their energy and thoughtfulness.  I don't think they were all Momentum or left-wing. 

[Rhiannon]

Anti Corbyn.

Labour wanting labour as a perpetual opposition is not unknown you know. For me even Corbyn has yet to prove himself beyond that.

Evidence for them - all of them - being anti Corbyn?

[Nearly Sane]

Evidence for them - all of them - being anti Corbyn?

and even if they were, evidence that that is the dominant motivation

[Walt Zingmatilder]

One organisation at the vanguard of this is membered by former and current Party Conservatives.

This is an easy way to topple Corbyn one which lazy new labourites might also find attractive.

[Steve H]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43597132

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Sugar, and a mocked up picture of Corbyn with Hitler. What madness has descended on the world?

[Steve H]

Last time I looked there were at least 3 in most places.

I assume PF means that there are only two parties which have any chance of winning in his constituency.

[Rhiannon]

One organisation at the vanguard of this is membered by former and current Party Conservatives.

This is an easy way to topple Corbyn one which lazy new labourites might also find attractive.

That the right are manipulating this doesn’t mean there isn’t an issue.

[Rhiannon]

Sugar, and a mocked up picture of Corbyn with Hitler. What madness has descended on the world?

Is this the worst internet trolling you’ve encountered? Bless.