Is there anything to like about Corbyn???

[jakswan]

I wouldn't describe it as a pack of lies, merely hopelessly naive.

I don't think anyone really knows how extra revenue an increase in Corp tax would bring. The IFS:-

Increasing rates will raise less revenue in the medium to long run because firms would respond by investing less in the UK. This in turn would depress economic activity and lead to fewer jobs and lower wages. There is a very high degree of uncertainty about how large these effects are but estimates suggest that they may be substantial. The potential size of these effects is an indication of why the OECD and others judge corporation tax to have a particularly damaging effect on economic growth.

https://core-politics.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/general-election-2017-libdems-white-flag.html

I find it quite scary a potential chancellor would spending money he doesn't know he will get.

[jeremyp]

I don't think anyone really knows how extra revenue an increase in Corp tax would bring. The IFS:-

Increasing rates will raise less revenue in the medium to long run because firms would respond by investing less in the UK. This in turn would depress economic activity and lead to fewer jobs and lower wages. There is a very high degree of uncertainty about how large these effects are but estimates suggest that they may be substantial. The potential size of these effects is an indication of why the OECD and others judge corporation tax to have a particularly damaging effect on economic growth.

https://core-politics.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/general-election-2017-libdems-white-flag.html

I find it quite scary a potential chancellor would spending money he doesn't know he will get.

It seemed to me that a lot of Labour's calculations on tax rises are very naive. Raising taxes by x% doesn't increase the government's income by x% because raising taxes has a dampening effect on the economy and increases the incentive to find ways to avoid tax (like relocating elsewhere, as you say). Labour doesn't seem to have grasped that.

Furthermore, in some sense, Labour's proposed tax rises were pretty cynical because they were targeted at people that the British public perceive as bogeymen.

[jakswan]

It seemed to me that a lot of Labour's calculations on tax rises are very naive. Raising taxes by x% doesn't increase the government's income by x% because raising taxes has a dampening effect on the economy and increases the incentive to find ways to avoid tax (like relocating elsewhere, as you say). Labour doesn't seem to have grasped that.

Furthermore, in some sense, Labour's proposed tax rises were pretty cynical because they were targeted at people that the British public perceive as bogeymen.

Surely they can't be that naive they have economic advisers that would inform them. If they were straight they would have a policy for example of getting rid of student loans and putting it national debt the next generation can pay for it.

Clearly a more left wing can work it does in Scandinavia but pretending we can do it on current tax levels is downright dishonest. The only defence I've ever had from Corbyn supporters is 'yeah but the Tories' which is worrying to think our next Govt could be elected on such stupid thinking.

There again, Trump.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Surely they can't be that naive they have economic advisers that would inform them. If they were straight they would have a policy for example of getting rid of student loans and putting it national debt the next generation can pay for it.

Clearly a more left wing can work it does in Scandinavia but pretending we can do it on current tax levels is downright dishonest. The only defence I've ever had from Corbyn supporters is 'yeah but the Tories' which is worrying to think our next Govt could be elected on such stupid thinking.

There again, Trump.

The conservatives when facing criticism say look at Corbyn. And Britain does as they are told.
But what happened to comparison of the two.
We must be honest.
The Conservatives want poverty in many cases in order to facilitate the Darwinian struggle implicit in Thatcherism. Conservatives have been successful in getting the British people to think that this existence is for them.

Anything that can offset that and preserve civilised values no matter how small has got to be preferable.

Also can you imagine what the conservatives would have been able to enact by being more than a fag paper ahead than Corbyn?
Example instead of Taxes paying for an NHS part of your money paid to American health insurers would go to that Condo in Miami for the CEO.
That said I have also said that Jeremy should perhaps not lead into a 2022 election.

[Harrowby Hall]

That said I have also said that Jeremy should perhaps not lead into a 2022 election.

What about an election before then, Vlad?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What about an election before then, Vlad?

There wont be one. Any Brexit issue which will sink May is at least three years down the road will merely bring about a change of Tory face.

[jakswan]

The conservatives when facing criticism say look at Corbyn. And Britain does as they are told.
But what happened to comparison of the two.
We must be honest.
The Conservatives want poverty in many cases in order to facilitate the Darwinian struggle implicit in Thatcherism. Conservatives have been successful in getting the British people to think that this existence is for them.

Anything that can offset that and preserve civilised values no matter how small has got to be preferable.

Also can you imagine what the conservatives would have been able to enact by being more than a fag paper ahead than Corbyn?
Example instead of Taxes paying for an NHS part of your money paid to American health insurers would go to that Condo in Miami for the CEO.
That said I have also said that Jeremy should perhaps not lead into a 2022 election.

There you go, a left leaning forums best defence of Corbyn's economic policy is 'yeah but the tories' and a Vlad one at that riddled with the usual hit parade of strawmen and nonsense.

I once watched a vox pop at a Corbyn rally someone was asked 'do you agree with many of Jeremy's policies', 'I don't know nothing about that but I think he is a really nice man' came the reply.

[ippy]

I'm certain that Jeremy means well.

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[The Accountant, OBE, KC]

Yes, tons: he's an honest politician who believes in, and has worked for for decades, social justice, he opposes apartheid Israel, and he's an allotment holder. It's just a pity he's not pro-Europe.

Agreed.

But I wouldn't vote for him because I don't think some of his fiscal or educational policies add up - I would want to protect my children from the risks of a state school system where they could be bullied or isolated by their peers for being academic.

[jeremyp]

I once watched a vox pop at a Corbyn rally someone was asked 'do you agree with many of Jeremy's policies', 'I don't know nothing about that but I think he is a really nice man' came the reply.

Yeah, don't get me wrong (I don't think Corbyn has the abilitiy or the ideas needed to run the country), but vox pops like that are bullshit. We have no idea how many people the TV crew had to interview before they got that little nugget.