Alfie Evans - More tragedy exploited?

[Nearly Sane]

I always feel that these cases, no matter the outcome the parents are used.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43750597

[Nearly Sane]

I am not quite sure what you mean?

I think the life support should be removed in the case of this poor little chap, and nature take its course.

People exploit the love the parents have to politicize the case.

[Robbie]

NS, I agree with you & it never achieves anything. Poor little lad, I've been following this case quite closely. At least Trump hasn't waded in this time.

[Nearly Sane]

It appears to be the parents who are in the driving seat in this case, imo.

They aren't. They are just being exploited.

[Nearly Sane]

I agree with you & it never achieves anything. Poor little lad, I've been following this case quite closely. At least Trump hasn't waded in this time.

Nor the Pope.

[Nearly Sane]

If you say so, but I can't see that myself.

So you think that two people of 21 and 20 are running a media show for a case where they have lost to try and save their dying chikd?

[Robbie]

Nor the Pope.

He has said something - maybe not him personally - but what the Vatican children's hospital is offering is no different to  Alder Hey: palliative care. I doubt little Alfie's parents can speak Italian & it would be something of an ordeal to travel there with a sick child.

If you say so, but I can't see that myself.

LR it's the way so many people jump on cases like this with their own agendas & put suggestions to the very young parents who in the end don't really know what is best for their child. So much publicity too which is difficult to handle.

[Nearly Sane]

Sorry I don't understand what you mean? The parents are holding out against the life support being turned off, when the medics think it is the best and kindest option.

So how are they in the driving seat? There are people supporting them who are using this as an example of what happens under socialised medicine who are exploring them. This is two young people who want to save their baby being used.

[Rhiannon]

I agree largely with NS. And the links to the Vatican seem clear, plus The Christian Legal Centre or whatever it is called.
 
But it isn’t just the parents - hardly adults themselves - that are being used. It is Alfie himself. I am so sick of seeing Christians, pro-lifers and the political right wanting to prolong the suffering of children for their own satisfaction. Because that is all that they are doing here. They’ve lost sight of what is in Alfie’s interests completely.

The location of the hospital treating Alfie should have been kept out of the public domain.

[Robbie]

Yes.

[Nearly Sane]

I agree largely with NS. And the links to the Vatican seem clear, plus The Christian Legal Centre or whatever it is called.
 
But it isn’t just the parents - hardly adults themselves - that are being used. It is Alfie himself. I am so sick of seeing Christians, pro-lifers and the political right wanting to prolong the suffering of children for their own satisfaction. Because that is all that they are doing here. They’ve lost sight of what is in Alfie’s interests completely.

The location of the hospital treating Alfie should have been kept out of the public domain.

I take it as read that the poor child is exploited but it's not doing anything other than suffering. it doesn't, as the parents are,  get taken advantage of while speaking out.

[Rhiannon]

I take it as read that the poor child is exploited but it's not doing anything other than suffering. it doesn't, as the parents are,  get taken advantage of while speaking out.

Any court proceedings involving children should have the child at the centre. Hard as it is, the parents should have no more say than the medical team and/or the State.

[Nearly Sane]

Any court proceedings involving children should have the child at the centre. Hard as it is, the parents should have no more say than the medical team and/or the State.

No disagreement on that.

[Steve H]

Sentimentality is a disastrous basis for ethical judgements.. I agree that his parents are being exploited.

[jeremyp]

People exploit the love the parents have to politicize the case.

Who, in this case is exploiting the love the parents to politicise it?

[jeremyp]

So how are they in the driving seat?

Nobody else who understands the case wants this legal action to continue. Who is in the driving seat except the parents? Only they can instruct their lawyers to stop, nobody else.

There are people supporting them who are using this as an example of what happens under socialised medicine who are exploring them.

Who? Are you referring to the people in the US who don't want universal healthcare?

[Rhiannon]

It’s Alder Hey, but yes. My grandmother died against a background of endless car horns from a ‘beep if you support us’ protest outside the hospital where she was being treated for a brain tumour. The difference this time was that the protest was organised by NHS staff.

[Robbie]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-43781041

The protestors outside Great Ormond Street Hospital are behaving in a disgusting way.

What are they protesting about now?

Alfie Evans is not at GOSH.

[Nearly Sane]

What are they protesting about now?

Alfie Evans is not at GOSH.

They aren't, they are at Alder Hey. Simple mistake by LR.

[Nearly Sane]

Sorry I apologise for that error on my part.

We all make them. And that was an easy one to make.

[Nearly Sane]

Nobody else who understands the case wants this legal action to continue. Who is in the driving seat except the parents? Only they can instruct their lawyers to stop, nobody else.
Who? Are you referring to the people in the US who don't want universal healthcare?

I would suggest the Christian Legal Centre who are representing them want the action to continue, and given the costs I presume doing this pro bono. Having a jet ready to fly the child to Rome seems unlikely to be within what they can afford.

[Rhiannon]

I would suggest the Christian Legal Centre who are representing them want the action to continue, and given the costs I presume doing this pro bono. Having a jet ready to fly the child to Rome seems unlikely to be within what they can afford.

I agree with this. They’ll be giving the parents false hope, and it’s not hard to imagine the pressure the parents would be put under should they even consider letting it go given the nature of the campaign waged on their behalf so far.

[Robbie]

It angers me when people - uninvolved - put their oar in. Treatment in Rome would be no different to what he already has here.

[Anchorman]

I would suggest the Christian Legal Centre who are representing them want the action to continue, and given the costs I presume doing this pro bono. Having a jet ready to fly the child to Rome seems unlikely to be within what they can afford.

Dunno about the pro bono bit.
From the very little I know about the CLC, I very much doubt whether they could afford the many big cases they undertake.
There must be some element of private financing involved. If the law in England's the same as that in Scotland, though, the CLC must declare where its' income comes from unless the case involves a sexual offence.

[Nearly Sane]

Dunno about the pro bono bit.
From the very little I know about the CLC, I very much doubt whether they could afford the many big cases they undertake.
There must be some element of private financing involved. If the law in England's the same as that in Scotland, though, the CLC must declare where its' income comes from unless the case involves a sexual offence.

Any significant  money isn't coming from the parents/