'The Assassination of Katie Hopkins'

[Nearly Sane]

Yes, agreed.

There is a weird sort of virtue signalling that seems to me to go on by some on the left that this type of callousness is a good thing because the people they are attacking are so bad.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You think you can think of it as a caricature to joke about her murder because it is in your opinion her fault for making you do that. That's victim blaming, Any luck on you finding out how Christian you felt writing a post about how funny it might be for another  person to be murdered?

You have a conception of this which I don't think I share.

[Nearly Sane]

You have a conception of this which I don't think I share.

A conception of what? That it's  funny to make jokes about murder of someone? Yes I don't share that. That it would seem to be a Christian thing to do? Yes, I don't share that. That indulging in what seems like misogyny is fine? Yes, I don't share that.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

A conception of what? That it's  funny to make jokes about murder of someone? Yes I don't share that. That it would seem to be a Christian thing to do? Yes, I don't share that. That indulging in what seems like misogyny is fine? Yes, I don't share that.

That you failed to criticised other humorous comments here renders you merely Anti-Private Frazer i'm afraid.

[Nearly Sane]

That you failed to criticised other humorous comments here renders you merely Anti-Private Frazer i'm afraid.

As has already been pointed out by Rhiannon you should have read the posts after the first time you said this. Have a look and you will see SteveH was mentioned by both Rhiannon and I. In this case I will assume that it wasn't a deliberate lie from you, so am happy to accept your apology for your error.

And of course even were you not wrong, your point would be a use of the tu quoque fallacy as again already covered.

How's your evaluation of how Christian it felt to joke about someone being murdered going?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

As has already been pointed out by Rhiannon you should have read the posts after the first time you said this. Have a look...........

No thanks.

[Nearly Sane]

No thanks.

So you make a demonstrably wrong statement which you then refuse to retract because you won't actually look at the posts? Now that is then lying. So in addition to joking about the murder of someone, and now lying, how Christian does that make you feel?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you make a demonstrably wrong statement which you then refuse to retract because you won't actually look at the posts? Now that is then lying. So in addition to joking about the murder of someone, and now lying, how Christian does that make you feel?

Oh dear, did you  set up this thread in order to entrap people into making you superior and advertise your own righteousness? What were your purposes?
I am not aware of anything other than taking part in banter concerning a comedic theme the cod comedy assassination of a celebrity who is virtually a cod comedy creation something you obviously thought wasn't worth commenting on till your's truly shows up. No early criticism from you of the originators of a ''musical concerning an fictitious assassination of a celeb'' just an expression of ''interest'' from you.........and yes I find jokes about Bernard Manning losing weight or dying funny too. Doesn't mean I found his real demise funny. I think the boundaries of reality and humour are lost to you.

[Steve H]

Mea culpa - my "allegedly" was sexist. Apologies.

[Rhiannon]

Mea culpa - my "allegedly" was sexist. Apologies.

Nice. 

[Nearly Sane]

Mea culpa - my "allegedly" was sexist. Apologies.

Kudos

[Nearly Sane]

Oh dear, did you  set up this thread in order to entrap people into making you superior and advertise your own righteousness? What were your purposes?
I am not aware of anything other than taking part in banter concerning a comedic theme the cod comedy assassination of a celebrity who is virtually a cod comedy creation something you obviously thought wasn't worth commenting on till your's truly shows up. No early criticism from you of the originators of a ''musical concerning an fictitious assassination of a celeb'' just an expression of ''interest'' from you.........and yes I find jokes about Bernard Manning losing weight or dying funny too. Doesn't mean I found his real demise funny. I think the boundaries of reality and humour are lost to you.

No. It is up because it was interesting. Why attempt the distraction that you were in error with your comment? Given that you were wrong and are trying to hide that now by evasion, is just very sad.  As is making jokes about someone being murdered. 

[Steve H]

I am not aware of anything other than taking part in banter concerning a comedic theme the cod comedy assassination of a celebrity who is virtually a cod comedy creation something you obviously thought wasn't worth commenting on till your's truly shows up. No early criticism from you of the originators of a ''musical concerning an fictitious assassination of a celeb'' just an expression of ''interest'' from you.........and yes I find jokes about Bernard Manning losing weight or dying funny too. Doesn't mean I found his real demise funny. I think the boundaries of reality and humour are lost to you.

Quite. All the best comedy pushes boundaries, of taste as well as of other things. I've made and laughed at jokes about the death of la Hopkins before now*. It doesn't mean iwant her dead. (A stroke depriving her of the power of speech, maybe...).

*e.g.:
Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan are both drowning in a river. You only have time to save one of them. Do you finish the novel you're reading, or go to the pub?

[Steve H]

There is a weird sort of virtue signalling that seems to me to go on by some on the left that this type of callousness is a good thing because the people they are attacking are so bad.

I must grudgingly agree. Lefties are particularly prone to self-righeousness, and callousness to opponents, but they are not as serious sins as those besetting the right, such as being heartless bar stewards.

[Nearly Sane]

Quite. All the best comedy pushes boundaries, of taste as well as of other things. I've made and laughed at jokes about the death of la Hopkins before now*. It doesn't mean iwant her dead. (A stroke depriving her of the power of speech, maybe...).

*e.g.:
Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan are both drowning in a river. You only have time to save one of them. Do you finish the novel you're reading, or go to the pub?

The problem though is that the corollary - all the stuff that pushes against the boundary of taste and other things, I is the best comedy is definitely now true. I might find it funny to should about killing Jews outside a synagogue but that doesn't make it acceptable in general. I agree that it's a complex issue but I think there is a difference between your joke, even if I don't think it's that funny, and the tone of Vlad's post which seemed specifically malicious even if it was funny to him. Given what happened to Jo Cox, it seems more malicious.

[Steve H]

"All the best comedy pushes boundaries" does not imply that "all that pushes boundaries is the best comedy". I've read vile, holocaust-denying, anti-semitic crap by the late, unlamented Colin Jordan online. That undoubtedy pushes boundaries, but isn't remotely funny, and wasn't meant to be.

[Nearly Sane]

"All the best comedy pushes boundaries" does not imply that "all that pushes boundaries is the best comedy". I've read vile, holocaust-denying, anti-semitic crap by the late, unlamented Colin Jordan online. That undoubtedy pushes boundaries, but isn't remotely funny, and wasn't meant to be.

I didn't say that it did imply it, just that the corollary wasn't true. So you can't just say this is pushing boundaries ergo it is comedy. And just because someone says it's only a joke doesn't get you there either dependent on motivation

[Steve H]

I was confused by your typo - "now true" for "not true".

[Nearly Sane]

I was confused by your typo - "now true" for "not true".

Ah yes, I can see that would work that way.

[Robbie]

Have posts by 'Vlad' been deleted? I cant find the original one in which he is alleged to have the idea of Katie Hopkins being killed, amusing. He's been asked if his 'Christianity' allows him to joke about someone being murdered.

I've read Steven's posts & it was obvious to me he was joking, whether it is OK to joke about people dying or not is the point being made but fact is, people do, frequently. There must have been some point in posting a link to the original article and calling it "interesting".

Katie Hopkins is someone who has risen to fame and made a good living out of being extremely unpleasant to people. She encourages the publlc to dislike her, it brings in the money & she is sufficiently thick skinned not to care. Like a pantomime villain.

I'm not even sure that she has strong, right wing convictions but she'll certainly spout them for publicity. Just doesn't seem genuine to me but that is merely my opinion. Maybe we'll find out, she could do an in-depth televised session with a psychotherapist or Oprah.

An interview with Piers Morgan might be interesting too.

From what I've read her health is poor, she has children and no doubt wants to build sound financial security for them. She won't be the first to court publicity in order to achieve this.

Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan are both drowning in a river. You only have time to save one of them. Do you finish the novel you're reading, or go to the pub?

Very good but we already had that one the other day on another thread  . It did bring it home to me how unpopular Katie Hopkins is; I first watched her in 'The Apprentice' many years ago and found her very unlikeable - though interesting - in that series. Ruthless and lacking in empathy. Sometimes an article or a quotation from her pops up on MSN, with a controversial title, which I will read. A couple of times she's been mentioned on here I think - but I didn't realise the extent of her notoriety or unpopularity. So I seek to scratch the surface in order to understand her better.

[Nearly Sane]

It would appear that Vlad deleted his post (good for him that he chose to do so).  SteveH was picked up for the use of allegedly in regards to Hopkins being female for which he apologised.

[Rhiannon]

There’s a reason why I mention calling a woman a cunt, Robbie. Only Vlad used asterisks.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

In Oklahoma the villain lands on his own knife. Any suggested assassination could be dropped from this musical and therefore it could rendered more wholesome.

Imagine the new finale. Katie Hopkins has just had her contract terminated at LBC.
Nigel Farage has been lifted shoulder height by the attendant Hacks. Iain Dale gives a final chorus of ''Everything's up to date in Canned arse city''.

[jeremyp]

Katie Hopkins is a woman (allegedly)

That is misogynistic. She does give voice to some pretty obnoxious opinions, but that has nothing to do with her gender.

Edit: although I see you apologised, having read more of the thread, so I withdraw my implied criticism.