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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2018, 11:33:45 AM »
What made you post that?
The fact that it's funny.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2018, 12:31:24 PM »
The fact that it's funny.

That's not a fact, its opinion.

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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2018, 04:35:08 PM »
What made you post that?
Forum-Tourette's?
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« Reply #53 on: June 07, 2018, 04:50:09 PM »
I read Steven's post early this morning and laughed out loud. Then I read Maeght's response - 'Why you post?' and came down a bit. I thought was funny and I don't like too much crudity or bad language but that seemed spontaneous to me and at least it wasn't sexist (which I never tolerate but we don't have that here). Chill out folks and take things how they are meant!

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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #54 on: June 07, 2018, 05:12:56 PM »
I read Steven's post early this morning and laughed out loud. Then I read Maeght's response - 'Why you post?' and came down a bit. I thought was funny and I don't like too much crudity or bad language but that seemed spontaneous to me and at least it wasn't sexist (which I never tolerate but we don't have that here). Chill out folks and take things how they are meant!

I said 'What made you post that?'  not 'Why you post?'.

Sorry if it brought you down a bit, and glad you found it funny. I didn't and couldn't see it added anything to the thread. Oh well.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2018, 09:48:42 PM »
I do know what you said Maeght, I was abbreviating which I thought was obvious but maybe if I'd said, "Why you post that?", you'd have got it.

Sorry you didn't find it amusing at the time - so much so that you commented.

Can't please 'em all! I thought Steven's comment was apt and literal but each to their own. Not big deal. We move on.
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« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2018, 01:36:18 AM »
I do know what you said Maeght, I was abbreviating which I thought was obvious but maybe if I'd said, "Why you post that?", you'd have got it.

I got it but the abbreviation wasn't necessary.

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Sorry you didn't find it amusing at the time - so much so that you commented.

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Can't please 'em all! I thought Steven's comment was apt and literal but each to their own. Not big deal. We move on.

Indeed.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2018, 08:42:41 AM »
Sorry I was a bit unpleasant yesterday Maeght, didn't mean to be.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2018, 06:05:01 PM »
Sorry I was a bit unpleasant yesterday Maeght, didn't mean to be.

No probs. I was a bit grumpy too - not been sleeping as you might tell from the time of my last post.

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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2018, 05:56:02 PM »
Just watched the first part of it on Iplayer. Very impressive. It made me rather nostalgic for the late 60s, and I loved the portrayal of the Earl of Arran, whom I once met - in fact, i saw him with his trousers round his ankles. Jolly decent chap for a Tory. Norman Scott was a self-pitying, snivelling little shit, but I suppose you can't help feeling sorry for him, seduced and then cast aside by Thorpe, an utter bar steward. Hugh Grant looked remarkably like him.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2018, 06:32:53 PM »
What is your judgement of Norman Scott based on?

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« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2018, 08:51:16 PM »
Norman Scott was a self-pitying, snivelling little shit, but I suppose you can't help feeling sorry for him, seduced and then cast aside by Thorpe, an utter bar steward.

Did you ever meet him too? If not, how do you know this?

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« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2018, 09:30:37 PM »
What is your judgement of Norman Scott based on?
News reports at the time, and his protrayal in this dramatisation.
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« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2018, 09:36:15 PM »
News reports at the time, and his protrayal in this dramatisation.

Don't think he was portrayed as you describe.

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« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2018, 10:57:58 PM »
News reports at the time, and his protrayal in this dramatisation.
So second and third hand information, at best.

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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2018, 07:31:10 AM »
So second and third hand information, at best.
Well, obviously. was there any point to this post?
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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2018, 09:40:55 AM »
You sound somewhat judgemental of Norman Scott. I felt extremely sorry for him & found him a sympathetic character.
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« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2018, 11:39:15 PM »
No-one's curious about how I came to see the Earl of Arran with his trousers round his ankles? OK, fair enough.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2018, 06:56:45 AM »
No-one's curious about how I came to see the Earl of Arran with his trousers round his ankles? OK, fair enough.

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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2018, 08:17:14 AM »
No-one's curious about how I came to see the Earl of Arran with his trousers round his ankles? OK, fair enough.

Only if it involves inflatable bananas and Rudolph Nureyev.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2018, 11:28:23 AM »
No-one's curious about how I came to see the Earl of Arran with his trousers round his ankles? OK, fair enough.
I just assumed that you once worked as a Groom of the stool!
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« Reply #71 on: June 19, 2018, 01:59:47 PM »
Well, I'll tell you anyway.
In the mid-70s, i trained as a nurse (though I never worked as one afterwards, as I was spectacularly unsuited). I spent a day with a District Nurse, to see what she got up to. In the afternoon, we went to the Earl's big house outside Hemel Hempstead, because she gave him a multi-vitamin injection once a fortnight. We were shown into his study by a flunky, and he stood by the fireplace and dropped his kecks so that she could jab him in the arse. Nice old codger - chatted about his days at Eton. He smoked Embassy, I noticed.
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2018, 05:52:28 AM »
Thank u 4 that Steven, I didn't respond before because I didn't know who the Earl was! Thought you may have gone to a function somewhere & he was in the Men's Room without door shut which s'pose could happen to anyone. Glad you have expounded. All quite innocent.
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2018, 06:35:57 AM »
I watched part 2 last night - quite funny in places, with the incompetent hitman looking for Scott in Dunstable instead of Barnstaple, and other farcical elements.. The chap playing John Le Mesurier looked and sounded nothing like him, unless it was another John Le Mesurier, which seems unlikely - most of the other actors have been made to look quite like the character they're playing. When did J Le M have a beard?
I must admit that Scott (or at any rate Scott as played by Wishaw) does become more likeable, so I retract my earlier comment.
[Edit] - apparently this John Le Mesurier was indeed a different person entirely - from the Torygraph's obituary of Thorpe: "In 1974, tasked with silencing Scott, Holmes approached a business acquaintance, John Le Mesurier (no relation of the actor) who in turn introduced him to George Deakin, a fruit machine salesman he thought would know people prepared to do the job."
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Re: A Very English Scandal
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2018, 10:09:08 AM »
It was another John Le Mesurier, not the actor. Yes it was funny - farcical - in many ways, with 118 and co, but apparently quite true to the actual case.

A very good drama/doc or whatever one would call it. It's not often I bother to see anything through to the end but enjoyed that one. Hope you did!
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