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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #200 on: October 18, 2019, 05:49:21 AM »
I think yesterday's protests were deeply stupid. XR isn't really an organisation more a label. There ware a lot of XR supporters who disagreed with it. Somehow a protest on the street which may delay people in buses is seen as ok since they feel collateral rather than specific damage. Too much of the protests though seem as you have been expressing to have a strong miasma of middle class privilege. Yesterday was so obtuse that part of wondered about whether it might be done as a way to make XR look bad.

Possible, of course. As for middle class privilige, glad you noticed that point. Of course they have as much right to protest as anyone else, but it's easy to see why some lose patience with it, and the message is then lost with it.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #201 on: October 18, 2019, 06:41:35 AM »
Possible, of course. As for middle class privilige, glad you noticed that point. Of course they have as much right to protest as anyone else, but it's easy to see why some lose patience with it, and the message is then lost with it.

Since XR is non centralised, then any infiltration would be very easy. I've seen a lot of condemnation of the protests from XR supporters but in many ways that's going to be ignored by anyone seeing the actions. What in some ways are strengths for XR, its flexibility and lack of central control are its weaknesses as well.


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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #202 on: October 18, 2019, 06:44:03 AM »
For me, I believe the science and believe we not only have to have a serious rethink, but also actually do something so that we can preserve what is left for future generations. What I don't buy into is the mantra and the blame game (that is, blaming previous generations).

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #203 on: October 30, 2019, 02:07:39 PM »



Worse than expected.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50236882

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Hundreds of millions of people worldwide are at risk of losing their homes as entire cities sink under rising seas over the next three decades, according to researchers.

The findings, published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications, put nearly three times as many people in coastal areas at risk from flooding than previously thought, and are the result of new advances in elevation modeling technology.

Global sea levels are expected to rise between two to seven feet (0.6 meters to 2.1 meters) -- and possibly more -- over the course of the 21st century.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #204 on: October 30, 2019, 02:19:50 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50215011

Apparently asthma inhalers are increasing the carbon footprint. Our middle daughter suffers from asthma and will be very shocked by this as she is very environmentally friendly.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #205 on: October 30, 2019, 02:22:50 PM »
This though doesn't seem to show that climate change itself is worse just that they have more accurate date of the elevation and have changed the estimate of those likely to live in the area - note that isn't to say that it is not a huge issue, just that the reporting here seems very muddied, as is so often.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #206 on: October 30, 2019, 02:57:50 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50215011

Apparently asthma inhalers are increasing the carbon footprint. Our middle daughter suffers from asthma and will be very shocked by this as she is very environmentally friendly.
oh FFS !!!

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #207 on: October 30, 2019, 03:04:09 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50215011

Apparently asthma inhalers are increasing the carbon footprint. Our middle daughter suffers from asthma and will be very shocked by this as she is very environmentally friendly.
Given that existing increases the carbon footprint more than anything else, anything on top of that is obviously going to increase it.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #208 on: October 30, 2019, 04:05:14 PM »


Worse than expected.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50236882

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Hundreds of millions of people worldwide are at risk of losing their homes as entire cities sink under rising seas over the next three decades, according to researchers.

The findings, published Tuesday in the journal Nature Communications, put nearly three times as many people in coastal areas at risk from flooding than previously thought, and are the result of new advances in elevation modeling technology.

Global sea levels are expected to rise between two to seven feet (0.6 meters to 2.1 meters) -- and possibly more -- over the course of the 21st century.
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hi Sriram
Well I gave it some thought and decided I don't really care .

I know , but I can't change who I am !

Don't worry , be happy 😎

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #209 on: October 30, 2019, 04:44:59 PM »


Actually even I don't....much. But that's because we are fairly aged  and we are on the way out. 

Think of youngsters just getting married and having children...!  Doesn't look very good for them!  :(   

Life is good only with the illusion of perpetuity.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #210 on: October 30, 2019, 05:17:35 PM »

Actually even I don't....much. But that's because we are fairly aged  and we are on the way out. 

Think of youngsters just getting married and having children...!  Doesn't look very good for them!  :(   

Life is good only with the illusion of perpetuity.
It's not going to happen overnight so there's plenty of time to catch a bus and get the hell out of Dodge 😯

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #211 on: October 31, 2019, 05:33:31 AM »

You seriously expect hundreds of millions of people to just catch a bus and go somewhere else to live their normal lives??!!    Do you realize how much peoples lives are going to be affected even without the possibility of millions of deaths?!

Even others who live inland would be significantly affected due to relocation of people from coastal areas. Infrastructure, businesses, agriculture and many other areas will be affected significantly. Life will not be the same for anyone.

Even today many youngsters are deciding not to have children because of the uncertainties of the future... Peoples mind and outlook changes significantly due to predictions of such major events.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #212 on: October 31, 2019, 07:29:38 AM »
hi Sriram
Well I gave it some thought and decided I don't really care .

I know , but I can't change who I am !

Don't worry , be happy 😎

It's indifference like this that enrages the young. They see the older generation as guilty of allowing the climate crisis to fester, given they basically don't give a shit about anybody other than themselves.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #213 on: October 31, 2019, 10:53:30 PM »
It's indifference like this that enrages the young. They see the older generation as guilty of allowing the climate crisis to fester, given they basically don't give a shit about anybody other than themselves.
too fuckin right mate

Have a nice day 😇

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2019, 04:38:46 AM »


https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50578516

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Critical elements in the Earth’s climate may be more likely to break down than previously thought, according to a group of scientists.

Their commentary in the journal Nature says there’s growing evidence that irreversible climatic changes could be triggered within a few decades.

The authors claim this could lead to a “climatic emergency” in which one shift amplifies another.

we must admit that we have underestimated the risks of unleashing irreversible changes, where the planet self-amplifies global warming," he says.

"This is what we now start seeing, already at 1C global warming.

“This provides strong evidence for declaring a state of planetary emergency to unleash world action that accelerates the path towards a world that can continue evolving on a stable planet.”

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #216 on: December 03, 2019, 09:14:18 AM »
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Could I point out that, following previous issues, we do not allow discussions on the events, postings or conduct of members of other sites.

As such several recent posts will be removed for review.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #217 on: January 12, 2020, 08:25:36 AM »
Shell and Exxon both did their own research into fossil fuel driven global warming back in the 80s.  The projections they came up with are strikingly similar to those produced by mainstream climate science now.  But they kept these findings under their hat and instead poured resources into disinformation campaigns aimed at undermining public confidence in climate science.  Their findings were eventually leaked in 2015.  It seems the calculation they made was that widespread ecological devastation with potentially existential risk to humanity was a risk worth taking in order to maintain short term profitability and market share.  Makes me kind of sick given I was working as a contractor for Shell throughout the 1980s.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/sep/19/shell-and-exxons-secret-1980s-climate-change-warnings

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #218 on: February 15, 2020, 10:00:24 AM »
So it goes on, an article about abnormal temperatures in the Antarctic:

https://tinyurl.com/R-ECLCH

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #219 on: February 16, 2020, 04:41:28 AM »


Within a few decades, increase in avg temp of about 3 degrees is a given. Maybe even up to 5 degrees in the worst case. It is already 1 degree up. 

Not a very rosy picture for our grandchildren, I am afraid.

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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #220 on: February 29, 2020, 11:31:50 AM »
Came across this today, worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Reducing livestock is the worst thing we can do, as they trample and fertilize grass (the trampling flattens the grass, aiding the biological decay of each year's crop once it's 'flowered', necessary for it to grow again the following year - which is why we used to burn the stubble)

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« Reply #221 on: February 29, 2020, 11:41:07 AM »
He is not advocating clearing forest in order to make room for cattle. He's talking about getting grass to grow again on areas which are turning to desert. He reckons his method could reverse global warming too.
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Re: Climate change is upon us....
« Reply #222 on: February 29, 2020, 11:55:45 AM »
Watch the video when you get time, he is definitely not advocating clearing forest in order to make room for cattle. He's talking about getting grass to grow again on areas which are turning to desert. He reckons his method could reverse global warming too.

Yep, my mistake. I realised once I'd watched all the way through - that's why I deleted my post. Cheers.
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