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John McCain dies
« on: August 26, 2018, 09:23:27 AM »
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2018, 09:45:50 AM »
He's had his chips.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2018, 10:21:13 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2018, 11:40:48 AM »
McCain seemed like a good chap, especially as he marked Trump's card for him.
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2018, 01:12:07 PM »
Seemed like a decent bloke for a Republican, but don't forget that he made the appalling Sarah Palin his running-mate in his Presidential bid.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2018, 01:40:35 PM »
Quote from: Officer Crabtree on August 26, 2018, 01:12:07 PM
Seemed like a decent bloke for a Republican, but don't forget that he made the appalling Sarah Palin his running-mate in his Presidential bid.

That was a terrible mistake on his part. :o
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2018, 02:00:26 PM »
Quote from: Littleroses on August 26, 2018, 01:40:35 PM
That was a terrible mistake on his part. :o
He must have had some idea of what she was like.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2018, 04:23:06 PM »
Yes,  I was just pondering on that, he criticized Trump, but picked Palin. Lack of judgment, there, but I guess he underestimated the right wing juggernaut,  or thought he could tame it.  But who knew its ferocity?
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2018, 04:59:05 PM »
Quote from: wigginhall on August 26, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
Yes,  I was just pondering on that, he criticized Trump, but picked Palin. Lack of judgment, there, but I guess he underestimated the right wing juggernaut,  or thought he could tame it.  But who knew its ferocity?

That ghastly woman seems to have disappeared into obscurity, thank goodness.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2018, 05:32:57 PM »
Bit too keen on war for my approbation.
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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2018, 05:35:11 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 26, 2018, 05:32:57 PM
Bit too keen on war for my approbation.

As is most of the American right and left.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2018, 05:40:12 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on August 26, 2018, 05:35:11 PM
As is most of the American right and left.
'Left'?
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2018, 05:59:41 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 26, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
'Left'?

Yeah. Obama and Clinton were both warmongers.
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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2018, 06:03:45 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on August 26, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Yeah. Obama and Clinton were both warmongers.
And again I will ask the question 'Left?'
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2018, 06:04:36 PM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on August 26, 2018, 06:03:45 PM
And again I will ask the question 'Left?'

Ok, I get your point.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2018, 06:05:02 PM »
Quote from: ad_orientem on August 26, 2018, 05:59:41 PM
Yeah. Obama and Clinton were both warmongers.
But neither were really left, by global standards. The USA doesn't have a left-of-centre-by-global-standards party of any consequence: the Dems are the equivalent of our centre-right, and the Reps are the Thatcherites, or even worse. Individual Dems may be left wing by any standard, such as Bernie Sanders, but the Dem party as a whole isn't.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2018, 06:06:33 PM »
Quote from: Officer Crabtree on August 26, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
But neither were really left, by global standards. The USA doesn't have a left-of-centre-by-global-standards party of any consequence: the Dems are the equivalent of our centre-right, and the Reps are the Thatcherites, or even worse. Individual Dems may be left wing by any standard, such as Bernie Sanders, but the Dem party as a whole isn't.

Yeah, I understand that point.
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 09:00:06 AM »
Quote from: Officer Crabtree on August 26, 2018, 01:12:07 PM
Seemed like a decent bloke for a Republican, but don't forget that he made the appalling Sarah Palin his running-mate in his Presidential bid.

I think we need to remember that at the time the Tea Party was on the ascent in the Republican Party, think Mrs May trying to keep the Tory Right under control.

Let us not be too hard on the American Republicans, there are moderate Republicans too. In TX the Republicans are essentially the Anglo Party, whilst the Democrats are the Hispanic Party, and there are huge variations within both.

Also whilst hindsight is very easy, would McCain have been a better President than was Obama?
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 09:07:54 AM »
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Also whilst hindsight is very easy, would McCain have been a better President than was Obama?

Not with Sarah Palin as VP. This alone suggests that his judgement was either way off, or influenced by forces unseen by the public. Either way, it shows a lack of thought for the consequences of his actions.

Don't get me wrong, there was a lot to admire about Senator McCain but his mercurial temperament was perhaps not best suited to the top job.

And then there's MR Trump...........
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Re: John McCain dies
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2018, 02:22:22 PM »
Quote from: Trentvoyager on August 29, 2018, 09:07:54 AM
there was a lot to admire about Senator McCain
Well there were one or two things to admire about McCain but I think he only really looks good because his colleagues are a pretty spineless lot.
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