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Rhiannon

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Proposed changes to divorce law
« on: September 15, 2018, 07:56:05 AM »
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2018, 08:35:11 AM »
Sounds like a good idea.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2018, 11:23:55 AM »
I agree.. and long overdue. let's hope that the proposals eventually become law. I was pleased to see that this would also include civil partnerships.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2018, 11:27:38 AM »
I'll go with all of the above.

Regards to all, ippy.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2018, 11:48:35 AM »
Hear hear.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2018, 10:02:43 AM »
Not sure about this. Divorce is already too easy.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2018, 10:07:38 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 10:02:43 AM
Not sure about this. Divorce is already too easy.

No it really isn't.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 10:23:50 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 10:02:43 AM
Not sure about this. Divorce is already too easy.
in what way?
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 10:27:41 AM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 10:02:43 AM
Not sure about this. Divorce is already too easy.
Why should it be difficult?
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2018, 10:35:06 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on September 16, 2018, 10:27:41 AM
Why should it be difficult?

God says so.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2018, 10:38:05 AM »
If that's anybody's answer to anything, there's no discussion to be had.

I doubt if Tini Owens agrees that divorce is 'too easy'.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2018, 10:52:51 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on September 16, 2018, 10:35:06 AM
God says so.
I would doubt though that that is SteveH's position,and I am interested in his perspective here.

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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2018, 10:55:21 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on September 16, 2018, 10:52:51 AM
I would doubt though that that is SteveH's position,and I am interested in his perspective here.

I think that ultimately that is where a lot of the belief that divorce is wrong comes from. The reasons are stuck on to fit that belief. I'm not even sure it's a conscious thing.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2018, 11:05:00 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on September 16, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
I think that ultimately that is where a lot of the belief that divorce is wrong comes from. The reasons are stuck on to fit that belief. I'm not even sure it's a conscious thing.
There's no getting away from the fact that the Christian manual prohibits divorce, regarding it as tantamount to adultery.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2018, 11:10:26 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on September 16, 2018, 11:05:00 AM
There's no getting away from the fact that the Christian manual prohibits divorce, regarding it as tantamount to adultery.

What you tend to get is the reasoning that the Bible has laws in it that are for the benefit of humankind. And some of that is unarguable - jealousy, thieving, murder etc. But then are are these weird moral laws that keep people stuck in places that are unhealthy. So over the years there's been a need to seek confirmation that divorce is bad because 'it damages children' or 'it leaves women in poverty'. So no real action is taken to seriously mitigate the damage done to children, and women are still left in poverty - or, because divorce is still adversarial, stuck in abusive marriages that they are too afraid to end - and that's somehow ok because of this attitude the Divorce Is Bad.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2018, 11:12:09 AM »
I'm intrigued by the attitude that it's a good thing to make it hard for two miserable people (and potentially miserable children as well) to go their separate ways. What kind of mentality that shows ... I'm at a loss.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2018, 11:25:47 AM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on September 16, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
I think that ultimately that is where a lot of the belief that divorce is wrong comes from. The reasons are stuck on to fit that belief. I'm not even sure it's a conscious thing.
Perhaps. I just would rather hear what Steve thinks rather than judge is motivation.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2018, 11:26:42 AM »
Quote from: Nearly Sane on September 16, 2018, 11:25:47 AM
Perhaps. I just would rather hear what Steve thinks rather than judge is motivation.

I wasn't judging his personally.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2018, 08:54:05 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on September 16, 2018, 10:35:06 AM
God says so.
Your words. I didn't say or imply that. Marriage is a serious commitment, and easy divorce devalues it.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2018, 08:56:38 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 08:54:05 PM
Your words. I didn't say or imply that. Marriage is a serious commitment, and easy divorce devalues it.

No, what devalues marriage is the way people treat each other within it, and then being forced to stay together even though they are unhappy. It makes a mockery of love and partnership.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2018, 09:06:56 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 08:54:05 PM
Your words. I didn't say or imply that. Marriage is a serious commitment, and easy divorce devalues it.
So why is it important that it's made hard for people in an unhappy marriage to get out of it? All the more so when children are involved.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2018, 09:13:35 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on September 16, 2018, 09:06:56 PM
So why is it important that it's made hard for people in an unhappy marriage to get out of it? All the more so when children are involved.

Yes, if marriage matters so much why try to preserve the shit ones?
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2018, 09:22:04 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on September 16, 2018, 09:06:56 PM
So why is it important that it's made hard for people in an unhappy marriage to get out of it? All the more so when children are involved.
Who said "hard"? It's already pretty easy.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2018, 09:25:07 PM »
Quote from: Steve H on September 16, 2018, 09:22:04 PM
Who said "hard"? It's already pretty easy.
In #5 you said that divorce is "too easy" and in #18 you stated that easy divorce "devalues marriage", which implies that you think it should be more difficult.
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Re: Proposed changes to divorce law
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2018, 09:38:40 PM »
If people don't like the commitment of marriage, they can always just live together, as many do. If they marry, it should be a real commitment.
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