Why hate feminism?

[Rhiannon]

Any takers?

[Nearly Sane]

And if there are any takers. please state what you think feminism to be.

[jeremyp]

Any takers?

If you have certain advantages in life bestowed on you by the fact that you were born a man, and you like to exploit them, of course you are going to hate the people who are trying to level the playing field.

[Robbie]

(Imported from Lady Macbeth thread)

Feminism is the belief that women should have the same rights and opportunities as men. It’s the belief that being a woman shouldn’t make you a second class citizen.

What is there to hate about that?

Nothing. That's what I believe & always have.
However I wonder if Humph has a different definition & it would be useful if he would say why he hates it.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Any takers?

Of course 

[Humph Warden Bennett]

And if there are any takers. please state what you think feminism to be.

A movement which wishes to divide the working class upon gender lines.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

If you have certain advantages in life bestowed on you by the fact that you were born a man, and you like to exploit them, of course you are going to hate the people who are trying to level the playing field.

And what are the advantages of being born male, into poverty?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

(Imported from Lady Macbeth thread)
Nothing. That's what I believe & always have.
However I wonder if Humph has a different definition & it would be useful if he would say why he hates it.

And who wrote that definition? Wiki? I edit Wiki sometimes.

[Robbie]

The Oxford Dictionary.
However the Urban Dictionary is quite an eye opener.

You haven't said why you hate feminism or stated your definition of the word, Humph which is the purpose of this thread.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

The Oxford Dictionary.
However the Urban Dictionary is quite an eye opener.

You haven't said why you hate feminism or stated your definition of the word, Humph which is the purpose of this thread.

Yes I have, please see reply number 5.

[Aruntraveller]

A movement which wishes to divide the working class upon gender lines.

You are going to have to unpack that for me a bit because I can't even begin to understand what you mean by it.

[Robbie]

Neither do I. I've been searching. I am aware that there are different schools of thought/groups under the umbrella of 'Feminism', disagreeing with eachother.

To me it means:- "The theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" (Merriam-Webster), which is self explanatory.  Humphrey what you have said is far more complicated.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

You are going to have to unpack that for me a bit because I can't even begin to understand what you mean by it.

A movement which splits the working class (proletariat) on gender basis (i.e do you belong to the offspring bearing gender, or to the non offspring bearing gender?)

I would have thought that distinction was obvious, but then not all of us went to Orpington College in 1976.

[Roses]

A movement which wishes to divide the working class upon gender lines.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh? 

[Aruntraveller]

A movement which splits the working class (proletariat) on gender basis (i.e do you belong to the offspring bearing gender, or to the non offspring bearing gender?)

I would have thought that distinction was obvious, but then not all of us went to Orpington College in 1976.

Why is it just the proletariat that this supposed split is being forced upon?

Why do you think it splits the proletariat to have equal rights for men and women?

Orpington college doesn't seem relevant to me, but if it holds sway in your life good for you.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Why is it just the proletariat that this supposed split is being forced upon?

Why do you think it splits the proletariat to have equal rights for men and women?

Orpington college doesn't seem relevant to me, but if it holds sway in your life good for you.

It is not just the proletariat, I draw attention to the attempts to allow rich women to leapfrog their way onto FTSE top 100 boardrooms.

FTR Orpington College was the first place where I heard about Marx (Karl that is).

As far as I am concerned feminism is the strange and peculiar notion that working class women have more in common with wealthy women, than they do with working class men.

[jeremyp]

And who wrote that definition? Wiki? I edit Wiki sometimes.

I wrote it.

I think it's perfectly reasonable and I don't see anybody disputing it in any substantial way, except you and your definition does not make any sense.

[Nearly Sane]

It is not just the proletariat, I draw attention to the attempts to allow rich women to leapfrog their way onto FTSE top 100 boardrooms.

FTR Orpington College was the first place where I heard about Marx (Karl that is).

As far as I am concerned feminism is the strange and peculiar notion that working class women have more in common with wealthy women, than they do with working class men.

In many ways they do.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/more-5000-glasgow-city-council-15171402

[jeremyp]

And what are the advantages of being born male, into poverty?

As compared to being a female born into poverty? They are many and varied. You have all the advantages that any male has in that you are less likely to have to give a blow job to get a job, you will be paid more if you get a job, you are less likely to be raped, you are less likely to be treated as an object, you are less likely to have to do a full time job and all the housework and look after the kids.

Those are just the ones I could think up off the top of my head in a few seconds. Do you want people to carry on? I'm sure Rhiannon and LR and Robbie, who, unlike me, have to deal with sex discrimination on a daily basis, can come up with a whole heap of extra advantages.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I wrote it.

I think it's perfectly reasonable and I don't see anybody disputing it in any substantial way, except you and your definition does not make any sense.

You want to split the working class political movement based upon gender, and you think that is reasonable?

[Roses]

You want to split the working class political movement based upon gender, and you think that is reasonable?

What on earth has that got to do with feminism? Feminists are from all strata's of society.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

In many ways they do.

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/more-5000-glasgow-city-council-15171402

My apologies, what is the relevance of the link to working class women identifying with wealthy women?

I do not think for one moment that the female security guards at work identify with their HR boss more than they identify with their male colleagues standing next to them.

[Nearly Sane]

My apologies, what is the relevance of the link to working class women identifying with wealthy women?

I do not think for one moment that the female security guards at work identify with their HR boss more than they identify with their male colleagues standing next to them.

Because they are paid less because they are women.

[Roses]

HWB, what do you think is women's role in society, and how should they conduct themselves?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

As compared to being a female born into poverty? They are many and varied. You have all the advantages that any male has in that you are less likely to have to give a blow job to get a job, you will be paid more if you get a job, you are less likely to be raped, you are less likely to be treated as an object, you are less likely to have to do a full time job and all the housework and look after the kids.

Those are just the ones I could think up off the top of my head in a few seconds. Do you want people to carry on? I'm sure Rhiannon and LR and Robbie, who, unlike me, have to deal with sex discrimination on a daily basis, can come up with a whole heap of extra advantages.

Oh dear. What has giving oral sex got to do with the discussion? The only female colleagues of mine who were paid less then me in my forty year working career were my workplace subordinates, and I have had many female bosses who were paid more than me. As for being treated like an object, I have mentioned my violent and spiteful ex in other discussions, it ain't just a female thing.

I do not accept that every female has to put up with sex discrimination every day of her life, any more than I accept that every ethnic minority person faces racial discrimination every day of their life. Quite frankly for you to claim the former, puts you on the same level as the ludicrous Bahar Mustafa and her "kill all white men!" request.