If men had a nine o’clock curfew.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Rhiannon I took you to mean you hadn't seen the video when you answered SP with
"No I didn't". However now presume you were saying you didn't miss Humph's point.

(Quote from: SweetPea on Today at 02:27:15 PM
You missed Humph's point entirely Rhiannon.

Did you listen to the video I posted? Any thoughts?

Rhiannon -No I didn’t. It’s yet more of his ‘men as victims’ bullshit.)

OK Robbie

Would you not agree that Kings Meadow, Plaistow, is frequented by joggers, of all genders, and ages? Few jog at night in Sundridge Park, because it is not lit at night, and any joggers risk tripping over bushes, branches, etc?

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Have to admit to some baffeleitis at the reactions to the idea in the OP. It isn't a serious proposal, it is just a thought experiment that allows women to talk about how they feel their freedoms are being reduced by the their perception of threat. That not all women are saints is just a piece of whatabouttery in the face of the facts that for whatever reasons, males are the more violent and threatening of the sexes.

Crap. Ask any male victim of domestic violence. Why you, as a victim of the same, post such nonsense is beyond me. Did you ask for it? Did I ask for it?

I did not. If you seek some solace in the thought that your experiences of domestic violence matter less because you are male, so be it.

[Nearly Sane]

Crap. Ask any male victim of domestic violence. Why you, as a victim of the same, post such nonsense is beyond me. Did you ask for it? Did I ask for it?

I did not. If you seek some solace in the thought that your experiences of domestic violence matter less because you are male, so be it.

I didn't say anyone asked for it - so your entire post is based on a complete misreading of the post. And that applies to your ludicrous idea of me seeking solace in violence mattering less because I am male.

[Roses]

Crap. Ask any male victim of domestic violence. Why you, as a victim of the same, post such nonsense is beyond me. Did you ask for it? Did I ask for it?

I did not. If you seek some solace in the thought that your experiences of domestic violence matter less because you are male, so be it.

I think you need to visit Spec Savers, that is not how I read NS's post.

[Rhiannon]

When a man gets mugged or beaten up because he did not "stay safe", do feminists care?

Go to the centre of Woolwich at night, or Lewisham, there are gangs of young women roaming. And it aint males whom they pick on.

Sorry, anecdotes aren't evidence, especially when the source is biased.

The point is that nobody expects men to have to 'stay safe' whereas women are blamed in the perception is that they behaviours 'leads to' rape or assault - getting drunk and wearing short skirts, as well as walking home late at night.

Your attitude to women is disgusting.

[Rhiannon]

Crap. Ask any male victim of domestic violence. Why you, as a victim of the same, post such nonsense is beyond me. Did you ask for it? Did I ask for it?

I did not. If you seek some solace in the thought that your experiences of domestic violence matter less because you are male, so be it.

This bears no resemblance at all to anything that NS said. And is offensive, frankly.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

I think you need to visit Spec Savers, that is not how I read NS's post.

NS, and myself, are survivors of DV. Smug comments from those who are not, add nothing to the discussion.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Your attitude to women is disgusting.

How?

[Nearly Sane]

NS, and myself, are survivors of DV. Smug comments from those who are not, add nothing to the discussion.

And misrepresenting what I said is fucking annoying.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

This bears no resemblance at all to anything that NS said. And is offensive, frankly.

I would have thought the semblance is obvious.

Just because your "narrative" is being challenged, does not make the said challenge "offensive" Time that you left your ivory tower.

[Nearly Sane]

I would have thought the semblance is obvious.

Just because your "narrative" is being challenged, does not make the said challenge "offensive" Time that you left your ivory tower.

No, the 'semblance' to what I said is not obvious, as I have pointed out.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

And misrepresenting what I said is fucking annoying.

How have I misrepresented you?

[Nearly Sane]

How have I misrepresented you?

See post 27.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

See post 27.

No I have not misrepresented you.

Your snide "whaterboutery" typically feminist remark needed to be challenged.

[Rhiannon]

I would have thought the semblance is obvious.

Just because your "narrative" is being challenged, does not make the said challenge "offensive" Time that you left your ivory tower.

You really are unpleasant.

What 'narrative'? because the only person I can see arguing for unequal treatment of the genders here is you.

[Rhiannon]

No I have not misrepresented you.

Your snide "whaterboutery" typically feminist remark needed to be challenged.

It wasn't snide. You attempt to deflect from what happens to women in a discussion about their perception of threat by saying 'what about what happens to men'. That's 'whataboutery' and leads nowhere.  There's no discourse to be had with you. Just your endless  attempts to heap shame on feminists of either gender.

I'm a DV victim too, which counts for nothing with you because I'm a dirty feminist.

[Nearly Sane]

No I have not misrepresented you.

Your snide "whaterboutery" typically feminist remark needed to be challenged.

Again I didn't say that anyone asked for it, nor that any domestic violence on men was less significant. I suggested that you might have misread post, now it seems you are just going to lie about it.

The point of the whataboutery comment is that it's other name is the tu quoque. It's a fallacy and means the logic of the post was flawed. That some women are violent does not affect the impact of male violence on both sexes and the fact that it is vastly more prevalent.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

You really are unpleasant.

What 'narrative'? because the only person I can see arguing for unequal treatment of the genders here is you.

How?

[Rhiannon]

How?

Because of your attacking anything you see as 'feminist'. Feminism is about equality. You argue against it.

[Humph Warden Bennett]

Again I didn't say that anyone asked for it, nor that any domestic violence on men was less significant. I suggested that you might have misread post, now it seems you are just going to lie about it.

The point of the whataboutery comment is that it's other name is the tu quoque. It's a fallacy and means the logic of the post was flawed. That some women are violent does not affect the impact of male violence on both sexes and the fact that it is vastly more prevalent.

So my scars inflicted because I wished to  protect my daughter against the violence of her mother, mean little, compared to statistics complied by others?

And the scars inflicted upon myself, whether protecting my daughter, or protecting myself against hair pulling, plate throwing, fork thrusting, mean little because feminists complain that DV is something that women experience more than do men?



My ex

[Roses]

So my scars inflicted because I wished to  protect my daughter against the violence of her mother, mean little, compared to statistics complied by others?

And the scars inflicted upon myself, whether protecting my daughter, or protecting myself against hair pulling, plate throwing, fork thrusting, mean little because feminists complain that DV is something that women experience more than do men?



My ex

So how did you handle this abuse, did you call the police and kick the violent woman out of your home and life?

[Nearly Sane]

So my scars inflicted because I wished to  protect my daughter against the violence of her mother, mean little, compared to statistics complied by others?

And the scars inflicted upon myself, whether protecting my daughter, or protecting myself against hair pulling, plate throwing, fork thrusting, mean little because feminists complain that DV is something that women experience more than do men?



My ex

Again no. they are as much a tragedy as any violence like this. But it doesn't stop the fact that men carry out more violence on both sexes.

[Rhiannon]

So my scars inflicted because I wished to  protect my daughter against the violence of her mother, mean little, compared to statistics complied by others?

And the scars inflicted upon myself, whether protecting my daughter, or protecting myself against hair pulling, plate throwing, fork thrusting, mean little because feminists complain that DV is something that women experience more than do men?



My ex

Your rage against your ex is understandable. Nobody should endure anything like that. But the statistics that say that women are more likely to experience DV does not diminish, discount or brush aside what happened to you. If anything a discourse around this should open up the way for men to say ‘me too’, as has happened on this forum.

[Nearly Sane]

Your rage against your ex is understandable. Nobody should endure anything like that. But the statistics that say that women are more likely to experience DV does not diminish, discount or brush aside what happened to you. If anything a discourse around this should open up the way for men to say ‘me too’, as has happened on this forum.

Also the thread is not primarily about domestic violence. That doesn't play down the effects of it but it is more about freedom from non domestic violence and assault.

[Rhiannon]

Also the thread is not primarily about domestic violence. That doesn't play down the effects of it but it is more about freedom from non domestic violence and assault.

Yes, that’s true.