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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #350 on: November 04, 2020, 04:47:24 PM »
Biden has a clear route to 270 electoral votes, via Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan.  His lead in the latter two is tiny, so Trump is ranting about fraud, and threatenng the Supreme Court.  It could get nasty.  There are other routes.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #351 on: November 04, 2020, 04:51:50 PM »
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It could get nasty

Why so coy?

It will get nasty.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #352 on: November 04, 2020, 07:59:36 PM »
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #353 on: November 04, 2020, 11:21:25 PM »
Biden is only six electoral college votes away from victory! Bye-bye, Donald!  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #354 on: November 04, 2020, 11:26:45 PM »
Biden is only six electoral college votes away from victory! Bye-bye, Donald!  ;D ;D ;D
watch out for the billion lawyer dollars. And the this is a fraud stuff.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #355 on: November 04, 2020, 11:33:21 PM »
watch out for the billion lawyer dollars. And the this is a fraud stuff.
I don't doubt that the orange twat will contest it all the way. Anyway, Nevada seems to be heading Joe's way, and it has the six votes he needs.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #356 on: November 04, 2020, 11:41:10 PM »
I don't doubt that the orange twat will contest it all the way. Anyway, Nevada seems to be heading Joe's way, and it has the six votes he needs.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #357 on: November 05, 2020, 06:28:32 AM »
Is he gone yet?

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #358 on: November 05, 2020, 08:03:30 AM »

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« Reply #359 on: November 05, 2020, 08:12:55 AM »
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #360 on: November 05, 2020, 08:23:20 AM »
I don't doubt that the orange twat will contest it all the way. Anyway, Nevada seems to be heading Joe's way, and it has the six votes he needs.

Where are you getting this information from. As of now, 538 is reporting that Biden has 253 EC votes.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #361 on: November 05, 2020, 08:39:18 AM »
Where are you getting this information from. As of now, 538 is reporting that Biden has 253 EC votes.

There are different tallies on different news sites because there are no official results at all yet.

From the Grauniad:

One of the things with a US election is that it is a highly decentralised system, and until the Electoral College actually meets to vote until mid-December, we don’t have an ‘official’ result. In truth, those votes aren’t actually even properly counted until the Senate meets on 6 January. It probably made more sense as a system in the 1800s when news took a lot longer to travel.

It has become tradition that ‘decision desks’ make a call that states have been won by one candidate or the other when enough votes have been counted. States that are too close to call – like Nevada and Georgia are at the moment – are, well, literally too close to call.

The Guardian uses the data collected and analysed by the Associated Press (AP) as the source for when we will call election results. There are a number of other highly reputable election “decision desks” in US media, including NBC, Fox News and others. They may call races earlier or later than AP. That may be why you are seeing slightly different totals on different news outlets for the race.


From the BBC:

If you are seeing different tallies at the top of the live coverage from various news sites, you might well be confused.

This is because some news sites have projected wins in Arizona (meaning an extra 11 electoral college votes) and Wisconsin (10 electoral college votes) for Biden.

The BBC still considers these too early to project.

This year, the BBC gets its data via Reuters, from polling firm Edison Research, who do the field work for the exit polls and work with US networks in the National Election Pool.

In Wisconsin, 99% of the votes have been counted, with the candidates neck and neck.

In Arizona, 85% of votes have been counted, and Biden is leading with 51% of the votes, with Trump on 48%.

The watch word this year is "patience". Stay tuned and we will bring you updates as soon as we have them.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #362 on: November 05, 2020, 08:44:18 AM »
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #363 on: November 05, 2020, 09:19:42 AM »
This is Trump's spiritual advisor. I could watch this all day.

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/angels-have-been-dispatched-from-africa-trumps-spiritual-advisor-leads-a-bizarre-prayer-service-for-his-win-3044372.html

It is made perfect by the bloke wandering about paying no attention.


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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #364 on: November 05, 2020, 09:42:59 AM »
It is made perfect by the bloke wandering about paying no attention.


ETA I managed to get the 2 videos on the link running together. Makes the rap even better
The woman's deranged.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #365 on: November 05, 2020, 09:56:08 AM »
The woman's deranged.
I would have thought for Trumps 'spiritual' adviser that would be part of the job description

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #366 on: November 05, 2020, 10:29:12 AM »
This would make a good Sesame Street sketch. Biden hires The Count, who loves counting so much that he can't stop until every vote is counted, to the annoyance of Donald Grump!

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« Reply #367 on: November 05, 2020, 01:58:14 PM »
No President West, then - he only got 60,000 votes. Kanye believe it?
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #368 on: November 06, 2020, 11:57:21 AM »
Biden has taken the lead in Georgia.

Very likely to win Pennsylvania too once the final mail in voting has been counted.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #369 on: November 06, 2020, 12:38:41 PM »
Trump's recent outbursts are a cause for worry.

Not least because his followers are unable to see the inherent contradictions in his position.

Stop the count in Pennsylvania, keep counting in Arizona.

The Democrats successfully masterminded rigging the vote to win the presidency, but oops this cunning organisation forgot to rig the Senate vote.

Are these people really so blind as to his lies?

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #370 on: November 06, 2020, 01:34:12 PM »
When the hell will the final results be in? This long after a government-changing general election, the new PM would have moved into No. 10, and named their cabinet!
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #371 on: November 06, 2020, 01:42:41 PM »
When the hell will the final results be in? This long after a government-changing general election, the new PM would have moved into No. 10, and named their cabinet!
True - but this has always been a feature of the US system. Although a new president is elected in early November they never take office until January, the previous incumbent always remains president in that interim period.

And while I understand this seems mighty odd for Brits used to an election and a new PM the following day moving into 10 Downing St I can see some advantages of the US system. First it allows for a more measured and smooth transition phase (well it normally does, I'm not sure this is going to happen this time). But it also has some attractive features for the actual democratic process. In the UK if you need to vote by post you have to do that some days before election day as you vote cannot count if received later that the polls close, regardless of when you posted it. So it there is a major issue that emerges on the eve of a poll that won't be reflected in the postal vote. In the US (in many states, remember each state runs its own poll) as long as your postal ballot is post-marked on election day or before it will count (unless it takes crazy time to arrive), so even if you have a postal vote you can make your decision at the same time and with the same information as if you voted in person.

Now this necessary results in a longer counting process as you need to wait for all these mail in votes to arrive which can be days or even a couple of weeks after the poll. But the fact that the new president doesn't actually take office in January allows this.

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #372 on: November 06, 2020, 01:43:24 PM »
Trump's recent outbursts are a cause for worry.

Not least because his followers are unable to see the inherent contradictions in his position.

Stop the count in Pennsylvania, keep counting in Arizona.

The Democrats successfully masterminded rigging the vote to win the presidency, but oops this cunning organisation forgot to rig the Senate vote.

Are these people really so blind as to his lies?


And his supporters talking about beheadings

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/twitter-bans-a-bannon-account-after-he-says-behead-fauci-and-wray/ar-BB1aKsH4

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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #373 on: November 06, 2020, 01:47:25 PM »
When the hell will the final results be in? This long after a government-changing general election, the new PM would have moved into No. 10, and named their cabinet!

My understanding is that this election is not just a popularity vote for one of two men (and one or twoothers who do not stand a chance) but also  a ballot for members of the Senate and for state and local politicians. I have seem some tv images of voting papers about half a metre long. One document may be a record of dozens of voting decisions.

The mechanics of counting votes is so complex that the process takes days.
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Re: US Election 2020
« Reply #374 on: November 06, 2020, 01:49:30 PM »
He's leaving
Said he's going back
To a simpler place and time, oh yes, he is
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On that midnight train to Georgia
I'd rather live in his world
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