Unconditional surrender...?

[Sriram]

Hi everyone,

Statue of sailor kissing a nurse.  Unconditional surrender....or #MeToo moment of male privilege...?! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_Surrender_(sculpture)

Cheers.

Sriram

This link is not taking us directly to the site for some reason. Just follow the other link please.

[jeremyp]

Hi everyone,

Statue of sailor kissing a nurse.  Unconditional surrender....or #MeToo moment of male privilege...?! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_Surrender_(sculpture)

Cheers.

Sriram

This link is not taking us directly to the site for some reason. Just follow the other link please.

The link is broken because the forum's automatic link parsing is omitting the final ")". Try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_Surrender_(sculpture)

[Sriram]

Ah...thanks a lot, jeremyp. 

[ippy]

Hi everyone,

Statue of sailor kissing a nurse.  Unconditional surrender....or #MeToo moment of male privilege...?! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconditional_Surrender_(sculpture)

Cheers.

Sriram

This link is not taking us directly to the site for some reason. Just follow the other link please.

I didn't know about this statue but it's another lovely work of art, just think of the smiles it must cause all around what a joy.

Regards, ippy.

[Robbie]

I suppose the pair of them did surrender to an impulse to embrace and kiss but we don't know anything else about them - they could just be actors posing for a photograph.

After a war, I expect there were plenty of overjoyed couples who thought they may never again see each other and were delighted to do so - as well as those who lost their loved one.

I can't see anything particularly remarkable about the picture - which has somehow been made into a sculpture - but I suppose if nothing else, it's hopeful.

[jeremyp]

I suppose the pair of them did surrender to an impulse to embrace and kiss but we don't know anything else about them - they could just be actors posing for a photograph.

We probably do know quite a lot about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square

I can't see anything particularly remarkable about the picture - which has somehow been made into a sculpture - but I suppose if nothing else, it's hopeful.

Well, if the sailor is the most likely candidate, he had just found out that he had been reprieved from almost certain death. It is hopeful, but it's a photo of somebody who has gone from having no hope to having hope.

[Nearly Sane]

The crucial bit in the link seems to be

 'The widely agreed-upon identity of the female subject in the photo, dental assistant Greta Zimmer Friedman, had also explicitly stated that the kiss in question was not a consensual act.' Hence the #MeToo issues

[jeremyp]

The crucial bit in the link seems to be

 'The widely agreed-upon identity of the female subject in the photo, dental assistant Greta Zimmer Friedman, had also explicitly stated that the kiss in question was not a consensual act.' Hence the #MeToo issues

It was a different time and, as I said above, the sailor in question had just received a reprieve, so I'm inclined to cut him a little slack.

[Nearly Sane]

It was a different time and, as I said above, the sailor in question had just received a reprieve, so I'm inclined to cut him a little slack.

It wasn't a different time in terms of consent. And do you think being reprieved is a pass on the idea of consent?

[Steve H]

I suppose the pair of them did surrender to an impulse to embrace and kiss but we don't know anything else about them - they could just be actors posing for a photograph.

After a war, I expect there were plenty of overjoyed couples who thought they may never again see each other and were delighted to do so - as well as those who lost their loved one.

I can't see anything particularly remarkable about the picture - which has somehow been made into a sculpture - but I suppose if nothing else, it's hopeful.

Apparently, they were complete strangers - he yielded to an impulse, grabbed her, and kissed her. In recent years, some feminists-by-numbers have whipped themselves up into an outrage over it, and accused him od swxual harrassment. Nowadays, he might well get into trouble, but she isn't exactly resisting, and I think they're both enjoying the moment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square

[ad_orientem]

It wasn't a different time in terms of consent. And do you think being reprieved is a pass on the idea of consent?

It was a kiss. I detest this idea of looking for things in the past just so we can be offended about it.

[Sriram]

His future wife Rita was also present with him. What came over him to suddenly grab a stranger and kiss her that way...is difficult to say. 

Many #Metoo supporters are having a field day on this....writing graffiti on the statue and stuff like that.....    

[Nearly Sane]

It was a kiss. I detest this idea of looking for things in the past just so we can be offended about it.

surely that's up to the person who was 'kissed', not you?

[ad_orientem]

surely that's up to the person who was 'kissed', not you?

I'm not saying anyone has the right to go around kissing people willy nilly but this is just stupid.

[Nearly Sane]

I'm not saying anyone has the right to go around kissing people willy nilly but this is just stupid.

Your sentence is contradictory

[ad_orientem]

Your sentence is contradictory

Was the woman he kissed particularly traumatised by the incident? If not, why make a thing of it now?

[Nearly Sane]

Was the woman he kissed particularly traumatised by the incident? If not, why make a thing of it now?

The now is because of the statue, and it becoming clear that it was an assault.

[Steve H]

It wasn't a different time in terms of consent. And do you think being reprieved is a pass on the idea of consent?

She doesn't appear to be struggling. Lighten up.

[Nearly Sane]

She doesn't appear to be struggling. Lighten up.

Why should I lighten up at your support for an assault?

[ad_orientem]

The now is because of the statue, and it becoming clear that it was an assault.

That didn't really answer my question. So far this just confirms to me that this is a case of looking into the past specifically to find something to be offended about. There was a bird that put her hand on my arse whilst I was playing pool 25 years ago, but then she was fit and I liked it. But that was without my permission. Same thing. It trivialises real cases of assault.

[Nearly Sane]

That didn't really answer my question. So far this just confirms to me that this is a case of looking into the past specifically to find something to be offended about. There was a bird that put her hand on my arse whilst I was playing pool 25 years ago, but then she was fit and I liked it. But that was without my permission. Same thing. It trivialises real cases of assault.

  Kissing someone without consent is real assault. The assumption made was that the woman consented. We have since found put that that appears to be incorrect. The statue is s new work so that combined with the information about the lack of consent makes it look like a celebration of the assault.

[Steve H]

Why should I lighten up at your support for an assault?

Because you're being unbelievably pompous and self-righteous.

[Nearly Sane]

Because you're being unbelievably pompous and self-righteous.

And you just think assault is a laughing matter

[Steve H]

And you just think assault is a laughing matter

Your "and" logicslly implies that you agree thast you ARE being pompous and self-righteous.

[Aruntraveller]

Your "and" logicslly implies that you agree thast you ARE being pompous and self-righteous.

Of course you can be pompous and self righteous and right on an issue. Just saying, making no judgement.