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Re: 'London Bridge: People 'injured' after stabbing'
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2019, 03:09:04 PM »
What types of Swiss army knives are there? I've only ever seen one basic type, the tools vary a bit. Very useful they are too, people always had them at one time.
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C5CHFA_enGB717GB727&q=pictures+of+swiss+army+knives&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB_r_bopTmAhXUoFwKHeuNC-UQ7Al6BAgEECQ&biw=1150&bih=577

Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to: ... Carry a knife in public without good reason – unless it's a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62 cm) or less, eg a Swiss Army knife. Carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife. Use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife).



           
There are umpteen ttypes available - fakes as well as genuine articles.
Victorinox, IMO, make the best. The most modern ones have built in USB sticks, etc, and the basics have the two blades plus afile. I use the SwissChamp, which has fifty functions, from two different types of screwdriver, two saws, file magnifiere, bottle opener, tin opener, pliers, scissors, two blades, pen, tweezers, etc. I've had it since I wasv a young Boys' Brigade officer, and many a scrape it's got me out of.
Incidentally, Victorinox offer a lifetime guarantee and free servicing on every model.
A fantastic gadget to have around (and, no; I'm not on commission!)
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2019, 03:18:17 PM »
I have no recollection of my husband ever carrying a penknife or owning one.
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2019, 03:19:57 PM »
Wow Anchor! My husband has one somewhere, was given it as a boy. Don't know what type.

A would be murderer (stabber) wouldn't use a Swiss army knife, it has so many 'bits' and by the time you got the blade out, your prey would have fled. I expect that's why people are generally permitted to carry one.
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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2019, 03:21:19 PM »
I had one like Anchorman's for years till I misplaced it. Very useful in all sorts of situations but I never did find a horse that needed a stone taken out of its shoe.
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2019, 03:26:54 PM »
I have lots of knives for gardening, including Swiss, it has a screwdriver, useful .  I think 3 inch blades are legal in public, we have a ferocious 6 inch thing, leave it at home.
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Re: 'London Bridge: People 'injured' after stabbing'
« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2019, 03:32:11 PM »
I have lots of knives for gardening, including Swiss, it has a screwdriver, useful .  I think 3 inch blades are legal in public, we have a ferocious 6 inch thing, leave it at home.

My husband has a large tool box with everything he requires for all the jobs he does around the house, including Stanley knives. When our children and grandchildren were small the box was kept well out of their way so they wouldn't injure themselves.
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Re: 'London Bridge: People 'injured' after stabbing'
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2019, 03:46:18 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2019, 04:07:41 PM »
Wow Anchor! My husband has one somewhere, was given it as a boy. Don't know what type.

A would be murderer (stabber) wouldn't use a Swiss army knife, it has so many 'bits' and by the time you got the blade out, your prey would have fled. I expect that's why people are generally permitted to carry one.

They might do Robbie!

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« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2019, 04:58:49 PM »
Moving away from the wonders of a Swiss Army knife, this is a good blog around the legalities concerning Khans release.


https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/30/10-thing-you-should-know-about-the-london-bridge-attacker-and-early-release/?fbclid=IwAR1bYyR89oioSTyKdib1MycRkmf8ZBmpz3u6blw_wvvT06S4FGYRzuw3N7U

And the follow up to it. The lying racist sexist despiser of the poor then indulges in plagiarism.


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1201076439250087936.html

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« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2019, 05:14:36 PM »
TERRIBLE!!!! >:( Being in possession of a knife when out and about should carry a mandatory prison sentence, imo.
That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2019, 05:17:55 PM »
That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.

Surely taking it out of its packaging in public was rather unwise, even if you didn't have malicious intent.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2019, 05:20:31 PM »
Surely taking it out of its packaging in public was rather unwise, even if you didn't have malicious intent.
Possibly, but hardly an offence justifying arrest.
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2019, 05:29:19 PM »
Possibly, but hardly an offence justifying arrest.

You had just purchased it and therefore you had a justifiable reason for being in possession of it, even if it was a bit silly to display it in a cafe. I am talking about people who carry dangerous knives for no good reason.
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2019, 05:47:45 PM »
I think the present law is adequate.
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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2019, 05:48:30 PM »
You had just purchased it and therefore you had a justifiable reason for being in possession of it, even if it was a bit silly to display it in a cafe. I am talking about people who carry dangerous knives for no good reason.
So if I go and buy a very sharp knife with the intention of stabbing as many people as possible but stop off in a cafe to have a last Earl Grey and a brownie, and I open the packaging ready to stab, admire it, pop it back my I love Osama backpack, you can tell the difference between Steve and me because ....

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Re: 'London Bridge: People 'injured' after stabbing'
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2019, 05:49:16 PM »
To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.

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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2019, 06:11:32 PM »
To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
or even indevidually

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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2019, 06:16:44 PM »
To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.

I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2019, 06:24:09 PM »
I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
on their own despite Walter's odd proclivities, they are fine. But together it's like garibaldi biscuits and coleslaw

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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2019, 06:25:11 PM »
Ah but have  you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice?  Delicious.
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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2019, 06:33:27 PM »
Ah but have  you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice?  Delicious.

YUCK!!!!!!
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2019, 06:38:30 PM »
That's me banged up, then: i always carry a Victorinox pocket knife with me. It comes in handy for all sorts of things. I think the present law is about right: it is illegal to carry a knife with a blade longer than 3", any non-folding knife, any folding knife with a lockable blade, and folding knives with blades that spring out ("flick knives"). Obviously, if you buy a kitchen knife in a shop, you've got to get it home, but you're presumably ok if you leave it in the packaging until you get home. However, I think that the police should be allowed to use their discretion about whether to arrest someone technically in breach of the law, or just give them an informal warning, and majistrsates to use theirs regarding appropriate sentence if the person is arrested and charged. If I bought a new kitchen knife in Wilco, and took it out of its packaging to have a look at it in a local cafe before I got home, I'd be a bit miffed if I ended up doing time.
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Re: 'London Bridge: People 'injured' after stabbing'
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2019, 06:41:36 PM »
To be fair Earl Grey and a brownie together is evidence of criminality.
sounds a bit like paedophilia to me 😱

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2019, 06:45:01 PM »
Ah but have  you ever tried ginger biscuits dunked in Orange juice?  Delicious.
😫I'm not keen on hot orange juice though 😋

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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2019, 06:52:55 PM »
I like Earl Grey and brownies, what is wrong with them?
Only anarchists drink Earl Grey, because they believe that proper tea is theft.
EG is mucked-about-with tea. I prefer un-mucked-about-with tea, iseally loose Yorkshire tea, in a teapot, two generous rounded teaspoons per pint (i.e. one per mug), brewed for 5 minutes, and served with the merest whisper of milk and a level teaspoon of sugar.
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