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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2019, 08:42:44 AM »
My great aunt made it to 104. The brave lady who saved 2 year old me from a horse and cart, which bolted towards me in 1952 is 102, she still has all her marbles. :)
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2019, 08:48:35 AM »

I don't want to prolong my life unnecessarily. I have at least half a dozen relatives who are 90 and beyond. All of them are fairly healthy and walking around...but I personally find it pointless.   


I am fit and (as far as I know) in good health. I work out in the gym every morning and go for walks with friends at weekends. I have a good social life. I belong to a number of organisations to whom I give illustrated talks about aspects of life and culture that are important to me. OK, I am widowed (effectively twice) and live alone. I enjoy travelling and visiting family members. I have four grandchildren whose transition from infancy to adulthood fascinates me. I enjoy films, theatre and concerts - finding them entertaining and stimulating. My life - in many respects - is fulfilling.

In less than two years time I shall be 80.  Are you telling me that my life is pointless?
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2019, 09:33:14 AM »
I am fit and (as far as I know) in good health. I work out in the gym every morning and go for walks with friends at weekends. I have a good social life. I belong to a number of organisations to whom I give illustrated talks about aspects of life and culture that are important to me. OK, I am widowed (effectively twice) and live alone. I enjoy travelling and visiting family members. I have four grandchildren whose transition from infancy to adulthood fascinates me. I enjoy films, theatre and concerts - finding them entertaining and stimulating. My life - in many respects - is fulfilling.

In less than two years time I shall be 80.  Are you telling me that my life is pointless?


No...I am saying that I would find it pointless to live beyond 80. You are free to feel as you want.  I would not find any of the things that you list above as fulfilling, beyond a point.

I too watch movies, eat at restaurants, go for walks, spend time with my wife and children, travel around. These are just 'time pass'.  Not 'fulfilling' for me.

'Had enough....no more of the same needs/desires surfacing again and again endlessly'.....is what I consider as fulfilling.


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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2019, 09:42:17 AM »
I am fit and (as far as I know) in good health. I work out in the gym every morning and go for walks with friends at weekends. I have a good social life. I belong to a number of organisations to whom I give illustrated talks about aspects of life and culture that are important to me. OK, I am widowed (effectively twice) and live alone. I enjoy travelling and visiting family members. I have four grandchildren whose transition from infancy to adulthood fascinates me. I enjoy films, theatre and concerts - finding them entertaining and stimulating. My life - in many respects - is fulfilling.

In less than two years time I shall be 80.  Are you telling me that my life is pointless?
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2019, 09:57:19 AM »
A sign of old age is when you can't open the childproof top of your medicine bottle.

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2019, 10:23:21 AM »
'Had enough....no more of the same needs/desires surfacing again and again endlessly'.

I'm sorry you've decided to leave the forum, Sriram.

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« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2019, 11:09:01 AM »

No...I am saying that I would find it pointless to live beyond 80. You are free to feel as you want.  I would not find any of the things that you list above as fulfilling, beyond a point.

I too watch movies, eat at restaurants, go for walks, spend time with my wife and children, travel around. These are just 'time pass'.  Not 'fulfilling' for me.

'Had enough....no more of the same needs/desires surfacing again and again endlessly'.....is what I consider as fulfilling.


I'm with Harrowby all the way on this one. I suppose it's all about one's genes make up and cultural influences. For me, I'm naturally curious about the world and simply want to be immersed in life as far as I am able. I'm nearly 79, and had two new hips this year. Both operations have been supremely successful, I'm back walking, cycling and dancing and I can't wait to get back into some foreign birding again. Cambodia and Vietnam look most attractive at the moment.
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2019, 12:07:47 PM »


Oh...oh. I think all those who are approaching 80 or past it, seem to feel that I have a problem with their age. 

No. I apologize if anyone feels that I am commenting adversely about older people who are 80 or beyond.

I wish all of you a long life as much as you may want.  :)   

I was speaking about the impression among many people that living long is somehow a 'good' think in itself. I don't think so. I would rather move on to the next stage after a reasonable time. 

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2019, 01:03:41 PM »
There is no "next stage" ?
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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2019, 01:07:08 PM »

Oh...oh. I think all those who are approaching 80 or past it, seem to feel that I have a problem with their age. 
Certainly not. Anyway, it does not matter if you have a problem with our ages, as we don't bother to think that way.
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Unlless you have a good reason for supposing that you will not live beyond 80, I suggest you have a re-think about your idea that you don't want to live beyond that age!
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How wide has been your survey of 'many people'? I shall be quite surprised if, whenif you get to being 79, you have not realised that actually the end of your life is going to be the end,   ! :)
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2019, 01:21:58 PM »

I was speaking about the impression among many people that living long is somehow a 'good' think in itself. I don't think so. I would rather move on to the next stage after a reasonable time.

I'd certainly agree with you that a long life is not necessarily a good thing in itself. But I'm intrigued as to what you think your 'next stage' is likely to be. Presumably you're assuming it will turn out to be a move up the spiritual career ladder and not a helter skelter down some slippery snake to one of the many hell realms available courtesy of the Atman Relocation Service. I don't really expect an answer from you but one lives in hope.

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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2019, 01:28:25 PM »
I'd certainly agree with you that a long life is not necessarily a good thing in itself. But I'm intrigued as to what you think your 'next stage' is likely to be. Presumably you're assuming it will turn out to be a move up the spiritual career ladder and not a helter skelter down some slippery snake to one of the many hell realms available courtesy of the Atman Relocation Service. I don't really expect an answer from you but one lives in hope.


 :D I don't know why some of you are going into a tizzy about my views regarding 'moving on to the next stage'.   Don't worry about it.

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2019, 01:52:40 PM »

 :D I don't know why some of you are going into a tizzy about my views regarding 'moving on to the next stage'.   Don't worry about it.

Tizzy? Just interested, Sriram. Genuinely. And genuinely sorry you so predictably declined to answer my question. Strange that you seem to regard people taking an interest in you as odious. Most people quite like it.

On the matter of reincarnation it's long fascinated me how those who are attracted to the idea invariably see themselves as enjoying felicitous future lives whereas the many dungeons of the soul talked about in their religion are apparently just for other people. One might be forgiven for detecting the subtle odour of spiritual pride, not to mention a rather obvious lapse of attention during the teachings on karma.

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2019, 02:14:11 PM »
Tizzy? Just interested, Sriram. Genuinely. And genuinely sorry you so predictably declined to answer my question. Strange that you seem to regard people taking an interest in you as odious. Most people quite like it.

On the matter of reincarnation it's long fascinated me how those who are attracted to the idea invariably see themselves as enjoying felicitous future lives whereas the many dungeons of the soul talked about in their religion are apparently just for other people. One might be forgiven for detecting the subtle odour of spiritual pride, not to mention a rather obvious lapse of attention during the teachings on karma.


Its nice that you are interested, Bramble.  In this thread I just wanted to share the video about living beyond 100 and to get peoples views about it.

The discussion about my philosophy of life has been going on for many years hereon.  By now you should have some idea of it.

About Karma, here is my view...

 https://tsriramrao.wordpress.com/2019/10/19/karma/

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« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2019, 02:45:15 PM »
Thanks for that, Sriram, but you could simply have answered my earlier question, which is all I wanted from you. I am merely left wondering what you might be trying to hide.

I do, of course, have some idea of your philosophy from reading your posts. I have even strayed onto your website. But I have often been frustrated by your serial evasion of questions, particularly where they relate to your good self. You do seem to want to control the conversation rather than respect the interests of other people who might want to take it other places. Again, I am left wondering why you feel the need to do this. It genuinely puzzles me why, when I have tried to take an interest in your view on something, you almost always ignore my questions, even entire posts that I have written.

This is a forum intended for the debate of spiritual matters which are of necessity about personal experience. You know this perfectly well and frequently encourage others to engage in yogas and so forth, yet we never hear anything about your spiritual practice (as distinct from your beliefs). Why is that? I can appreciate why people might be shy about divulging too much of their personal life when this place (bizarrely) can seem quite hostile to anything resembling spirituality, but it seems to me that the subject matter simply becomes moribund when divorced from personal experience. For that reason I find most of the activity here of limited interest, especially when it so often ends up as 'science vs woo' squabble. Anyway, it remains your choice what you want to say here. Genuinely sorry we couldn't talk.

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2019, 02:52:00 PM »

 :D I don't know why some of you are going into a tizzy about my views regarding 'moving on to the next stage'.   Don't worry about it.
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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2019, 02:59:10 PM »

Oh...oh. I think all those who are approaching 80 or past it, seem to feel that I have a problem with their age. 

No. I apologize if anyone feels that I am commenting adversely about older people who are 80 or beyond.

I wish all of you a long life as much as you may want.  :)   

I was speaking about the impression among many people that living long is somehow a 'good' think in itself. I don't think so. I would rather move on to the next stage after a reasonable time.

For those of us who don't think there is a 'next step' to move onto, this is a little more significant of an issue; on the one hand you have but one life to live, so it feels disturbing to be wishing it away, but on the other hand there's a sense of a quality of life threshold that if it's not being met then it's almost as though you're dying slowly rather than living longer.

I suspect, the closer I get to that threshold, the lower I'll feel like setting the bar :)

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2019, 03:50:07 PM »
Thanks for that, Sriram, but you could simply have answered my earlier question, which is all I wanted from you. I am merely left wondering what you might be trying to hide.

I do, of course, have some idea of your philosophy from reading your posts. I have even strayed onto your website. But I have often been frustrated by your serial evasion of questions, particularly where they relate to your good self. You do seem to want to control the conversation rather than respect the interests of other people who might want to take it other places. Again, I am left wondering why you feel the need to do this. It genuinely puzzles me why, when I have tried to take an interest in your view on something, you almost always ignore my questions, even entire posts that I have written.

This is a forum intended for the debate of spiritual matters which are of necessity about personal experience. You know this perfectly well and frequently encourage others to engage in yogas and so forth, yet we never hear anything about your spiritual practice (as distinct from your beliefs). Why is that? I can appreciate why people might be shy about divulging too much of their personal life when this place (bizarrely) can seem quite hostile to anything resembling spirituality, but it seems to me that the subject matter simply becomes moribund when divorced from personal experience. For that reason I find most of the activity here of limited interest, especially when it so often ends up as 'science vs woo' squabble. Anyway, it remains your choice what you want to say here. Genuinely sorry we couldn't talk.


Frankly....I don't think I want to discuss my personal experiences in this forum. I don't think it is even necessary....and nor do I think anyone will appreciate or understand what I write.

My ideas and philosophies flow from my experiences and discussing these ideas should be enough. Moreover, this forum has more atheists than anyone else. So I think discussing the inter-phase between Science and my brand of spirituality would be more useful both for me and for the members of this forum.

I myself am interested in understanding how my experiences and ideas of spirituality tie in with science and its discoveries. They can't be two separate worlds.  I believe there has to some link and common ground where they meet. These grey areas are what I am looking for.  This is why I write here in spite of so much opposition. My website is in fact an outcome of this interest that I have.

Anyway...this thread is not for this discussion. More on this some other time.

Thanks & cheers, Bramble   :)

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Re: Living past 100...
« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2019, 03:57:14 PM »
For those of us who don't think there is a 'next step' to move onto, this is a little more significant of an issue; on the one hand you have but one life to live, so it feels disturbing to be wishing it away, but on the other hand there's a sense of a quality of life threshold that if it's not being met then it's almost as though you're dying slowly rather than living longer.

I suspect, the closer I get to that threshold, the lower I'll feel like setting the bar :)

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Yes...that is my point.   If we think we have only one life to live...we would naturally make the most of it. That is fine.

People who believe in  an after life or another life once again...their view of death would be very different.  Why hang around here eating and drinking and doing the same old again and again...when we can move on to better things?!

It is obviously true that the longer we live, the longer our old age is. We prolong old age not youth.  Even assuming that one is fairly youthful...how long could we keep doing the same things and feel fulfilled...knowing fully well that we will be popping off sooner than later....and more so when our loved ones are likely to be going away one by one?

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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2019, 04:02:43 PM »
I myself am interested in understanding how my experiences and ideas of spirituality tie in with science and its discoveries. They can't be two separate worlds.  I believe there has to some link and common ground where they meet. These grey areas are what I am looking for.
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« Reply #45 on: December 12, 2019, 06:06:27 PM »

Anyway...this thread is not for this discussion. 


Except that you did bring up the subject of 'moving on to the next stage' but now refuse to discuss it. Anyway, if you should come back as my pet cat be sure to let me know and I promise to put you on a vegan diet.  ;D

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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2019, 07:08:58 PM »
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Why hang around here eating and drinking and doing the same old again and again...when we can move on to better things?!
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So... is sitting around twiddling your thumbs and getting bored part of your actions towards good karma or the result of previous bad karma?

If there is a grand scheme for life, why would it continue if it was no longer necessary or useful?
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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2019, 04:13:36 AM »
So... is sitting around twiddling your thumbs and getting bored part of your actions towards good karma or the result of previous bad karma?

If there is a grand scheme for life, why would it continue if it was no longer necessary or useful?


Yes...and that's why I said that my Higher Self or Paramatma will decide when I should leave my body. This would be based on karmic issues.

I was only stating my preference and my view that a long life (past 100) is not necessarily attractive to everyone.

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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2019, 04:11:52 PM »

 :D I don't know why some of you are going into a tizzy about my views regarding 'moving on to the next stage'.   Don't worry about it.

It's more care about your welfare Sriram, not so much that we're tizzing about.

You seem to have this impulse to pull against logical and the reasoned out way of thinking and apparently want to dive head first into the 'twilight zone' where all of the woo's thriving and evidential thinking is repulsed out of the picture at all costs.

It's just such a shame to see an otherwise, on the whole, intelligent good forum friend going away down to this illogical dead end.

So in effect you could look on our responses as though we're trying to save you.

Regards and a happy Newton's day, ippy.

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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2019, 06:40:54 PM »
Sririam:-  "Had enough....no more of the same needs/desires surfacing again and again endlessly'.....is what I consider as fulfilling."

I totally get that sririam, felt something like it (by whichI mean not exactly), myself most of this year.

This is an interesting thread; I don't want to live past 100 but I would like to be a bit more lively right now and for next few years while I'm still fit and well. I've lost interest in many things & gone quiet' (my sis described me as having gone quiet cheeky woman).

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