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Radical anything is unpleasant, as was that woman.
What do you think was wrong about what she said

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I just think she went about it the wrong way and got a lot of people's backs up. I am firmly of the belief that women and men are equal and should be treated as such. I am so very grateful my husband has never treated our girls as little princesses, or me as any less than his equal, unlike some men with whom I am acquainted.
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I just think she went about it the wrong way and got a lot of people's backs up. I am firmly of the belief that women and men are equal and should be treated as such. I am so very grateful my husband has never treated our girls as little princesses, or me as any less than his equal, unlike some men with whom I am acquainted.

So you agree with her?
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I just think she went about it the wrong way and got a lot of people's backs up. I am firmly of the belief that women and men are equal and should be treated as such. I am so very grateful my husband has never treated our girls as little princesses, or me as any less than his equal, unlike some men with whom I am acquainted.
The problem is that just being nice allows the continued culture against women such as the pussy grabber.

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The problem is that just being nice allows the continued culture against women such as the pussy grabber.

The person who did that to me lived to regret it BIG TIME. >:(
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The person who did that to me lived to regret it BIG TIME. >:(
I suspect you would be radical in your actions

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I suspect you would be radical in your actions

I was 18 at the time and until the day they died, a couple of years ago, I suspect they still felt discomfort in their nether region due to the kicking I gave them!
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I was 18 at the time and until the day they died, a couple of years ago, I suspect they still felt discomfort in their nether region due to the kicking I gave them!
So you being radical is not bad all the time then.

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Re: 'Why Andrea Dworkin is the... feminist we need in our terrible times'
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2020, 11:38:29 AM »
So you being radical is not bad all the time then.

A woman has a right to protect herself from being sexually abused.
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Re: 'Why Andrea Dworkin is the... feminist we need in our terrible times'
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 01:44:28 PM »
A woman has a right to protect herself from being sexually abused.
Yes. I agree. But you replied initially saying that Dworkin was too radical. All I have pointed out is that there are times radical action is needed and that just being nice won't cut it. And by your actions you seem to agree with that.

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Re: 'Why Andrea Dworkin is the... feminist we need in our terrible times'
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2020, 02:04:43 PM »
Yes. I agree. But you replied initially saying that Dworkin was too radical. All I have pointed out is that there are times radical action is needed and that just being nice won't cut it. And by your actions you seem to agree with that.


I got the impression from the article that she put everyone's backs up, which is not a good way of getting your message across, imo.
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Re: 'Why Andrea Dworkin is the... feminist we need in our terrible times'
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 02:21:29 PM »

I got the impression from the article that she put everyone's backs up, which is not a good way of getting your message across, imo.
And people being nice allows the sort of exploitation ofminors being trafficked and porn videos being on sites like Pornhub. Sometimes you need to get the seriousness of a situation across.

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Re: 'Why Andrea Dworkin is the... feminist we need in our terrible times'
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 02:25:05 PM »

I got the impression from the article that she put everyone's backs up, which is not a good way of getting your message across, imo.

That's the same message that's being pushed back at the Black Lives Matter protestors - you shouldn't take the knee, that's disrespecting our flag/the servicemen/the nation.  If you don't ruffle anyone's feathers you aren't protesting, and if you aren't protesting things don't change.

One of the reasons people took umbrage at the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Julie Bindel (who wrote the Guardian article) is that they weren't content to work within the confines of the system that they objected to because it defined the 'acceptable' way for them to voice their complaints.

Objectively I find Bindel's repeated suggestion that the solution to the worlds ills is to lock men up in camps where they can drive quad-bikes and go fishing to be distasteful, but it makes people who would otherwise dismiss her out of hand sit up and pay attention.

There's a difference between radicalism and extremism; I don't know much about Dworkin, Bindel unfortunately ticks both boxes but I'm not sure how easy it is to be radical without being accused of being extremist by those who your radicalism seeks to disrupt.

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