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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 06:59:31 PM »
You don't say.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 07:41:57 PM »
Will be interesting to see if preserving the message of the Ministerial Code is considered more important politically than whatever it is Priti Patel has to offer in terms of achieving the results the majority of the electorate seem to want to see.

She was re-elected MP for her constituency at the last election with a larger majority than she had before. No idea if this is because she is considered a good representative for the constituency who deals well with constituency issues.   

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The government is also introducing special schemes to enable more scientists, academics, investors, entrepreneurs, and health and care workers to come to the UK easily.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immigration-act-receives-royal-assent-free-movement-to-end-on-31-december-2020
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020, 12:17:57 PM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55016076

The standards advisor quits after Johnson backs Patel.

 
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 01:59:56 PM »
What a fuckin shower (Nan's voice - Catherine Tate)
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2020, 02:49:14 PM »
I see Pritti Patel is staying in post. Does that make her a Pritt Stick?

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 06:09:20 PM »
I see Pritti Patel is staying in post. Does that make her a Pritt Stick?

(Wish it were my own - but saw it elsewhere)

Or even a dip stick, whatever deffo not 'pretty'.
She has been told off; just heard on the news she's been told she mustn't shout and swear at staff  :o. Smacked wrists.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2020, 06:49:23 PM »
She was told that from the start:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnSZ3JyWEAAf4P1.png

- letter from Rutnam suggesting errors in Allan's investigation.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2020, 09:28:15 AM »

I wonder how much of this row is based on the fact that the resignation that appears to have triggered it was by a white male career civil servant and the accusations are against an elected non-white female?
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2020, 10:22:10 AM »
I wonder how much of this row is based on the fact that the resignation that appears to have triggered it was by a white male career civil servant and the accusations are against an elected non-white female?

None.

Do you really think that politicians (not specifically Patel) are shrinking violets when they are trying to get things done?

The fact that JOhnson asked for the report to be made "more palatable" in itself raises significant questions.

In fact I think it likely knowing that they would be open to accusations of racism that they would be extremely sure of their facts before proceeding with this.

Anyhow, how does "I wasn't aware I was breaking the speed limit, so can you let me off officer" wash? Do you think it's a goer as a defence?
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2020, 10:34:45 AM »
I suspect that she has survived without any significant sanction has more to do with internal Tory party management than anything else: Johnson can't risk getting rid of someone who is supported by the lunatic fringe of his own party: at least May had the guts to sack her when Patel was going behind May's back, and of late Patel has been criticised for briefing against lawyers who are simply doing their job.

Of course the main issue is that the UK currently has an incompetent and corrupt government headed by a narcissistic liar - they are living down to our expectations.

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2020, 11:21:58 AM »
There was not a deep analysis of why she was sacked by May. That affair was about her assuming the mantel of someone higher up irrespective of who she was dealing with.

This should be pointed out by the media now. Instead of framing everything as if the Dear leader transformed everything last December.

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2020, 12:00:31 PM »
Will be interesting to see if preserving the message of the Ministerial Code is considered more important politically than whatever it is Priti Patel has to offer in terms of achieving the results the majority of the electorate seem to want to see.

She was re-elected MP for her constituency at the last election with a larger majority than she had before. No idea if this is because she is considered a good representative for the constituency who deals well with constituency issues.   

A bill has been passed to end free movement of people. Those wanting to come into the UK to work will need to apply for permission in advance. They will be awarded points for a job offer at the appropriate skill level, if they speak English, and for meeting the appropriate salary threshold. Visas will be awarded to those who gain enough points.

The government is also introducing special schemes to enable more scientists, academics, investors, entrepreneurs, and health and care workers to come to the UK easily.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/immigration-act-receives-royal-assent-free-movement-to-end-on-31-december-2020

I note your accurate description of the Australian immigration system's requirements, as long as the racists are kept away from it, it sounds fine to me.

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2020, 12:05:36 PM »

I suspect that she has survived without any significant sanction has more to do with internal Tory party management than anything else: Johnson can't risk getting rid of someone who is supported by the lunatic fringe of his own party: at least May had the guts to sack her when Patel was going behind May's back, and of late Patel has been criticised for briefing against lawyers who are simply doing their job.

Of course, the main issue is that the UK currently has an incompetent and corrupt government headed by a narcissistic liar - they are living down to our expectations.


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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2020, 01:06:20 PM »
I note your accurate description of the Australian immigration system's requirements, as long as the racists are kept away from it, it sounds fine to me.

ippy.
I was just making the point that she seems to have completed one of the things the Tories were elected to do so if she is likely to get them public support, it is unlikely that they will cut her loose for swearing at her civil service staff. I wonder what her swearing consisted of - are we talking "bloody" or was there actual profanity involved. Anyway, the independent ethics adviser concluded that Ms Patel’s behaviour met the definition of bullying adopted by the civil service and therefore she is in breach of the code. The PM unsurprisingly has decided she wasn't in breach.   

 
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2020, 01:14:15 PM »
None.

Do you really think that politicians (not specifically Patel) are shrinking violets when they are trying to get things done?

The fact that JOhnson asked for the report to be made "more palatable" in itself raises significant questions.

In fact I think it likely knowing that they would be open to accusations of racism that they would be extremely sure of their facts before proceeding with this.

Anyhow, how does "I wasn't aware I was breaking the speed limit, so can you let me off officer" wash? Do you think it's a goer as a defence?
Yes the report seems to have been written in a way that makes it seem as thought it's down to perception whether bullying took place rather than something objective like the speed limit.

"The evidence is that this has manifested itself in forceful expression, including some occasions of shouting and swearing. This may not be done intentionally to cause upset, but that has been the effect on some individuals"

"The definition of bullying adopted by the civil service accepts that legitimate, reasonable and constructive criticism of a worker’s performance will not amount to bullying. It defines bullying as intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. Instances of the behaviour reported to the Cabinet Office would meet such a definition."

Yet the report does not seem to say there were instances of behaviour reported to the Cabinet Office. And if Philip Rutnam is saying Priti Patel was warned about her behaviour presumably he followed procedure and there are records somewhere in an HR file of some kind of appraisal, warning for bullying?
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2020, 02:01:31 PM »
What a fuckin shower (Nan's voice - Catherine Tate)

Right on!

Funny to think we used to be expelled or at least suspended from school for swearing at anyone.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2020, 02:42:37 PM »
'If you can't do your job without bullying, you can't do your job' - Richard Osman

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2020, 03:10:02 PM »
Very true.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2020, 03:37:58 PM »

'If you can't do your job without bullying, you can't do your job' - Richard Osman


Ye Gods!

I have no doubt that. with some judicious digging, I could find a dozen quotes to contradict yours, but I am on the forum to speak to you, not to someone else who happens to agree with you or even me (hence, perhaps my Godawful errors)!

As I have said, everyone on the forum has, from various posts, shown that if the Torys were paragons of virtue, like the Labour party seems to be to all here, they still be lost them under a mile-high pile of shit!

Clearly questioning Labour even from an "All politicians are shite position" is unacceptable and I leave politics to those who know best!
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2020, 04:10:41 PM »
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As I have said, everyone on the forum has, from various posts, shown that if the Torys were paragons of virtue, like the Labour party seems to be to all here, they still be lost them under a mile-high pile of shit!

I don't think you are reading posts very thoroughly if you think that all posters here think that the Labour party are paragons of virtue. I can think of several off the top of my head who don't (I'll not name names unless you really want me too) and a few who are enthusiastic about the Labour party, myself included.

What you seem to be missing however, is that the Tories are in power and have been for a decade so naturally any fault picking would tend to focus on them. They are the ones most affecting our lives for good or ill.

I would argue predominantly for ill at present.
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2020, 06:30:31 PM »
Ye Gods!

I have no doubt that. with some judicious digging, I could find a dozen quotes to contradict yours


I'd be interested to see if you could find a job where bullying is a necessary part.

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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2020, 06:52:56 PM »
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Re: Inquiry 'found Priti Patel broke behaviour rules'
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2020, 08:24:08 PM »
Looks like the chap conducting the enquiry was blocked from interviewing a key witness.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/21/officials-blocked-access-to-witness-in-priti-patel-inquiry