Author Topic: Redirecting faith  (Read 3911 times)

Free Willy

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Re: Redirecting faith
« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2021, 08:19:07 AM »
Fair points. For me the spiritual element is probably akin to a certain type of mood(E.g. He entered into the spirit of things) but with emphasis on the deeply personal element. I don't go along with the attempts to shoehorn the word to exclusively fit an agenda, a habit which I find all too prevalent.
I think we have to accept there are different meanings of the word 'spiritual' although atheists will probably claim superiority for theirs given their generic linguistic totalitarianism.

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Re: Redirecting faith
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2021, 10:25:16 AM »
I think we have to accept there are different meanings of the word 'spiritual' although atheists will probably claim superiority for theirs given their generic linguistic totalitarianism.
Oh give it a rest Vlad - yet more record stuck in a groove non-sense.

Sure there are many definitions of 'spiritual' and many reasons why people might describe themselves as 'spiritual' - actually I gave a list of some examples really early on in this thread. But actually atheists are fairly unlikely to use the term about themselves, certainly far less likely than religious people. So it isn't really atheists hi-jacking definitions for their own purposes. Rather it is the religious who are much more likely to do so, largely to try to claim that that people who describe themselves as 'spiritual' are actually a hidden group of religious people and therefore that the decline in religiosity is rather less than we thought. Indeed the article Sriram linked to in the OP makes exactly this claim. The claim is, of course, non-sense as the evidence demonstrates. However the point remains that it is the religious not atheists who tend to twist definitions of 'spiritual' to their own ends.

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Re: Redirecting faith
« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2021, 10:50:46 AM »
I think we have to accept there are different meanings of the word 'spiritual'

Glad to see you agree.

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although atheists will probably claim superiority for theirs given their generic linguistic totalitarianism.

Give it a rest, Vlad. this only goes to show your seemingly irrational obsession with and dislike of atheists in general. It just becomes boring.
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Re: Redirecting faith
« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2021, 11:10:54 AM »
But are you talking about a kind of Poundland spirituality here?

The whole thread is essentially on the meaning of the word. I can't see that it matters where you get it - or even if you don't.

Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: Redirecting faith
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2021, 11:21:07 AM »
The whole thread is essentially on the meaning of the word. I can't see that it matters where you get it - or even if you don't.
And the article in the OP is about people self-identifying as 'spiritual' - so this is essentially about what the term means to them as individuals and whether or not they choose to use it about themselves.

So the notion of a set definition is irrelevant as if Vlad's opinions on what he asserts is Poundland spirituality.