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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2023, 09:27:03 AM »
Every word highlighting the fact that the British political system is based on tribalism and tribal values not any political philosophy.
This can only be changed by changing our voting system. First past the postencourages tribal loyalty.

My abiding memory of the character of Alexander "Boris" Johnson was of an impromptu interview by a tv journalist which concerned people rough sleeoing in shop doorways. The journalist asked Johnson what he was going to do about this problem - showing him an appropriate photo on his mobile phone. Johnson snatched the phone out of the journalist's hand, put it in his own pocket and sharply told him to go away.
Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system. The US, in particular, seems riven by such tribalism. It may be that they were always like this, and certainly, I think the past had a lot of elements of it. That said, the existence of social media seems to have exacerbated it. The reactions I saw on social media to the arrest of Nicola Sturgeon yesterday seemed affected by it, for example.

I think though that Johnson more so than any other leader that I can think of in the UK is merely there out of ambition.
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2023, 09:52:00 AM »
Every word highlighting the fact that the British political system is based on tribalism and tribal values not any political philosophy.
This can only be changed by changing our voting system. First past the post encourages tribal loyalty.
Change it to what, though? Everyone answers "proportional representation", as though there is only one pr system, but there are many, and some of them would be even worse than simple majority/first past the post. I favour single transferable vote, with alternative vote as second-best. AV is in fact a special case od STV, applied to single-member constituencies.
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2023, 10:27:58 AM »
Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system.
My suspicion is that tribalism is a consequence of FPTP and will be apparent wherever this simplistic voting system exists.


Change it to what, though? 
Yes - single transferable vote.
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2023, 10:53:39 AM »
Not sure it's in any sense particular to the Britosh system. The US, in particular, seems riven by such tribalism. It may be that they were always like this, and certainly, I think the past had a lot of elements of it. That said, the existence of social media seems to have exacerbated it. The reactions I saw on social media to the arrest of Nicola Sturgeon yesterday seemed affected by it, for example.

I think though that Johnson more so than any other leader that I can think of in the UK is merely there out of ambition.
In the past, the US system was not tribal. You frequently got bipartisan cooperation. However, that has changed and it’s given them a lot of trouble. Their political system cannot cope with tribalism. The people who wrote their constitution assumed, wrongly, that the politicians would act reasonably and in the best interests of the USA.

Our political system has always been tribal and it has evolved to deal with that. We have safeguards in important places such as an independent electoral commission and a neutral Supreme Court. However, much of our system is based on conventions rather than explicit laws and so it can only deal with tribal politics as long as all the tribes’ members agree to play by the rules.
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2023, 07:45:17 PM »
Sorry, 4 by elections

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-61051163
So it's looking like Adams and Johnson's by elections will either be the 13th or 20th of July which means they will done before the recall petition on Ferrier's deadline.

Dorries hasn't sent in letter of resignation yet.

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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2023, 12:04:31 AM »

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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2023, 06:08:19 PM »
The Just Stop Oil group were going to change their name to the Just Stop Johnson campaign.

Then they realised that even if they used superglue it wouldn't stick to him.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/16/boris-johnson-fresh-questions-as-daily-mail-signs-ex-pm-as-columnist

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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2023, 02:14:51 PM »
The failure of Douglas Ross


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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2023, 09:58:25 PM »
And the oddity of Charlotte Owen

https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2023/06/14/charlotte-owen/

I'm sure I read rumours somewhere about her being related in some way   :o
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2023, 08:09:13 AM »
I'm sure I read rumours somewhere about her being related in some way   :o

She’s not. It’s all based on the coincidence that her second name is the same as the second name of one of BJ’s former sexual partners.
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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2023, 12:56:37 PM »

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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2023, 05:42:37 PM »
Abstain, vote for or vote against the parliamentary report. Party or parliament. Bravery or cowardice. Moral dilemma on a mass scale.

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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2023, 10:29:20 PM »
15 Tory Ministers voted for report

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Re: Johnson resigning!
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2023, 05:30:05 AM »
15 Tory Ministers voted for report

It was more than this.

118 according to The Torygraph. I only took an interest becaue I know my MP Peter Bottomley voted for it and he wasn't on the list.
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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2023, 06:05:18 AM »
It was more than this.

118 according to The Torygraph. I only took an interest becaue I know my MP Peter Bottomley voted for it and he wasn't on the list.

Ministers not just MPs